From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V2 #244 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Friday, September 8 2000 Volume 02 : Number 244 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [RS] Streaming Richard [Jeff Bernstein ] [RS] Wakefield show [Karen Parker ] [RS] Um...I Forget [RockinRonD@aol.com] RE: [RS] Speaking of that... ["Clary, John (CLRY)" ] RE: [RS] SOTW - WFTS ["Clary, John (CLRY)" ] [RS] Dar Live Right Now! ["Batgirl of the Night" ] [RS] More Misheard Lyrics ["Batgirl of the Night" ] [RS] Music lessons, etc. ["funster" ] Re: [RS] Speaking of that... [Rongrittz@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 06:10:28 -0400 From: Jeff Bernstein Subject: [RS] Streaming Richard This was in the latest songs.com newsletter: >Hear Steve Conn, Richard Shindell and Christine Kane on WPLN's Songwriter >Sessions, plus more new streaming entertainment, including audio, video and >reader-suggested Internet radio. > http://songs.com/streampage.html Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 08:23:55 -0400 From: Karen Parker Subject: [RS] Wakefield show I'm just wondering if there are any Ottawa-area folks going to Richard's show at the Black Sheep in Wakefield, Quebec on the 20th. The Black Sheep Inn is a lovely concert venue about a 20 minute drive outside of Ottawa, but it is completely inaccessible by public transit. Is there anyone headed to the show form Ottawa that would be willing to give a lift to a poor car-less student? :-) Karen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 09:21:52 EDT From: RockinRonD@aol.com Subject: [RS] Um...I Forget On the subject of forgetting lyrics while in performance, I never considered Richard at fault all that much in this respect. Dar, yes, on many occasions, but I've rarely seen Richard scew up. IT always amazes me that these people, particularly Richard given his age, are able to learn and memorize lyrics to other people's songs in such volume, especially songs like "Cold Missouri Waters" and "Shades of Grey" with their verses that go on forever. As someone who plays at open mics, I have a devil of a time putting whole songs to memory to the point where I'm confident in playing them out. I know RonG has an extraordinary list of songs he covers in performance and he's not THAT much younger than I. It just amazes me that some people can put these things to memory. Maybe I smoked too much you-know-what in college. I forget if I did or not. Ron ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 08:33:56 -0700 From: "Clary, John (CLRY)" Subject: RE: [RS] Speaking of that... >> Does it seem to anyone else like Richard Shindell forgets lyrics more often than the typical artist? <> I think John Gorka holds the record for forgetting lyrics, but he's so GOOD at it! :-) << Being a middle-aged singer who writes some of his own songs and sings other writer's songs, and suffers from stage fright and the associated memory loss, I have no problem with this in a performer. I back up a local singer who absolutely refuses to let me have a music stand on stage. She says it makes us look unprofessional. She says that if we are to give an honest performance, we must be so intimate with the lyrics that we don't need them in front of us. Grrr. I don't believe that is discredits a genuine performance to forget lyrics. But it certainly can harm the performance if say, I were to forget the lyrics and then panic. Hell, I'm not blessed with Ron G's gift for lyrical recall (what it up to now, Ron, 300 songs in memory? =). In Santa Cruz this summer, Richard started Kenworth about three times. He thought he was playing the wrong chords because the lyric didn't sound right to him. He asked us if he was playing the right song. We said he was and someone fed him lyrics. He laughed and it made the whole thing very entertaining. I could not have pulled that off. I think that understanding of my own limitation allowed me to cut him some slack and just enjoy it. It felt good to know that he's human after all. j a c ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 10:39:15 -0500 From: "Clary, John (CLRY)" Subject: RE: [RS] SOTW - WFTS >> Nancy (who, during her vacation, came to musical compromise with her RS disliking daughter, working out "Are You Happy Now" and "We Learned the Sea" on guitar and clarinet...yeah, wierd combination, but if that's what it takes, so be it) << That is just too cool for words, Nancy. Can I just say I'm smiling rather than emoticon my feelings? j a c ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 13:15:18 EDT From: "Batgirl of the Night" Subject: [RS] Dar Live Right Now! Hello all! Dar is on WFUV now with Rita Houston. Go to this link: www.wfuv.org and click on listen live. Enjoy!!! Renee Polgar _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 14:32:37 EDT From: "Batgirl of the Night" Subject: [RS] More Misheard Lyrics I have recently read a few posts of others that have heard the lyrics of a song differently than the 'actual lyrics'. I have gotten quite a kick out of some of them so I thought I would share mine as well. Well, last night as I made my way from Manhattan to Queens, in the midst of rush hour traffic(heightened due to the Summit Meeting at The United Nations Building), I popped Lucy's CD "Flesh and Bone" into my player and hoped her angelic voice would help me forget the fact that I sitting in traffic as far as the eye could see. Well, as the song "Edges" played, I was singing along and after a few choruses I laughed out loud at myself for what I 'thought' the lyric was. The lyric is: "I am your amulet, wish upon me". I had been singing " I am your AMBULANCE". As soon as I realized what I thought I had heard, I was cracking up and immediately thought of the lists and how you would all get a kick out of making fun of me for this one! So, go ahead, I'm ready for the ribbing! I have to say, misheard lyrics can be a lot of fun. Those of you that have experienced this know exactly what I mean! Well, I can say that Lucy certainly did help me survive the grueling hour of car fumes and honking horns! Hooray for folk music and all of it's wondrous remedies!! *hoping everyone will continue sharing more misheard lyrics!** Renee-911-Polgar _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 22:19:05 -0400 From: "funster" Subject: [RS] Music lessons, etc. I am almost afraid to ask this, but don't know where else to ask. Besides, you all are such wonderfully talented individuals, you would know.... I've started mandolin lessons today. What I was wondering was what is a fair price to pay for lessons? Does anyone know of any good Richard Shindell type song books for mandolin (or violin)? (I think that people should respond to me personally at funster@xpnonline.net. If anyone is interested in what responses I get, email me and I'll forward them to you.) (Richard content, his mandolin playing on Shades of Gray inspired me to purchase my mandolin.) Now for SOTW - isn't WFTS supposed to be his next "release"? I've been calling xpn asking them to play it (I've gotten mostly "We'll see what we can do" with Transit being played instead. Not that I'm complaining, mind you. But WFTS is one of my favs.) Lastly, then I'll go away to lurkdom... Is there anyone going to the Tin Angel show tomorrow? I'll be at the early show by myself, so I would love the company or to meet anyone. (again, email me privately, Thanks!) (For a photo of me, check out my web page www.members.dca.net/~funster The photo is on the Maene link - picnic photos.) Okey-dokey. Thanks to everyone who didn't delete this after reading the subject line. Enjoy your weekend... Candy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 00:11:40 EDT From: Rongrittz@aol.com Subject: Re: [RS] Speaking of that... << Does it seem to anyone else like Richard Shindell forgets lyrics more often than the typical artist? I can only remember one show with Richard where he didn't trip over the lyrics to one song or another. >> I'll second that. I can't remember a single time when he's gotten through "Arrowhead" in one piece. Putting the last lines of a verse with the first lines of a different verse, or skipping verses, or swapping verses, or forgetting verses altogether. But the absolute funniest thing I can remember -- and I swear I didn't dream this -- was one time during a performance of "Sparrows Point" when he ended EACH OF THE LAST THREE VERSES with the line "Three days west of Normandy with a rifle in my hand" and then after the song, sorta apologized with "Well, THAT made absolutely no sense." Cracked me the hell up. There was another time at the Outpost in the Burbs . . . he asked for requests, and from my seat in the front row, I asked for one of my favorite covers, "Sonora's Death Row." He made his way through most of it, but could not remember how the last verse began. So he looked straight at me and said "Ok, you asked for the song, how's it go?" So I told him and he was able to get through it. What's even funnier is that the exact same thing happened a few weeks later at a house concert. To RonD's and John's point, I've never had much of a hard time making my way through, like, a 30-song set . . . and NONE of them are my own songs, since I don't have any. What I try to do is to always be thinking a line ahead, 'cause there's nothing worse than getting to a line . . . and vapor-locking with that "deer in the headlights" look. But I'm betting that in Richard's case -- when you've performed a song like "Arrowhead" over a thousand times - -- you almost wind up singing phonetically, not actually thinking about what you're singing, which probably makes it easier to screw up because in your own mind you're not even singing actual words. Of course, as usual, I might have no idea what I'm talking about. RG ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V2 #244 ***********************************