From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V2 #230 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Wednesday, August 30 2000 Volume 02 : Number 230 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [RS] Re: Dar & Richard [Rongrittz@aol.com] Re: [RS] Dar & Richard ["Norman A. Johnson" ] Re: [RS] Dar & Richard [patrick t power ] Re: [RS] Wisteria Moment [patrick t power ] Re: [RS] Dar & Richard [patrick t power ] (three seconds) Re: [RS] Dar & Richard ["Norman A. Johnson" ] [RS] Guitar site [patrick t power ] Re: [RS] Re: Viva le Difference [patrick t power ] Re: (three seconds) Re: [RS] Dar & Richard [patrick t power ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:26:29 EDT From: Rongrittz@aol.com Subject: [RS] Re: Dar & Richard >> Ok, I don't want this to be a flame and I am going to try to keep from cursing here only because of that, but that is a totally sexist, demeaning, ridiculous thing to say. And it says volumes about the person who said it. You would call an artist of this caliber, and a feminist no less, a "cute girl?" << I read John's post VERY carefully, and he's saying nothing of the sort. What he's saying is that IN HIS OPINION, Richard is a better singer, better songwriter, better guitar player, better performer, better in every way than Dar IN THE AREAS THAT MATTER TO JOHN, and that Richard's music speaks to him in a way Dar's simply doesn't. There's no wholesale dismissal of Dar going on here. Just solid, honest, opinion sharing. Hmmmm . . . come to think of it, aren't you the same person who, on this very list, originally opined that Richard was a mediocre guitar player? RG ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:23:43 -0400 From: "Norman A. Johnson" Subject: Re: [RS] Dar & Richard Elwestrand wrote: >>I can't imagine Ms. S Gold among others will not be horrified by you attempt to diminish Dar and also infer that Dar plays to a sixteen year old mentality. What would a sixteen year old comprehend about a song like "This is Not The House that Pain Built," or "Your Aging Well" or "The Ocean" or "When God Descended" (Note to possible sixteen year olds offended by that comment - you may enjoy these songs now, but see how much more they mean to you when you are older, after life beats you up for a decade or so). >> I think one of the gifts that Dar has is that she remembers what it was to be 16, or 6 for that matter ("Babysitter"), and can express both those feelings and the adult perspective. >>Dar is not writing to a young audience. >> Maybe she was on END OF THE SUMMER but she's definitely not writing to a younger audience on THE GREEN WORLD. One other gift that Dar has is her ability to bring out universalities from personal experience. For instance, the third verse of "When I was a boy" where the guy confesses his girlhood is what makes the song stand out; everyone can relate to childhood innocence. Now, as I said, I'm thankful that I don't have to choose between Richard and Dar. I'm also thankful that both of these great artists appreciate each other's work and have brought their own interpretations to covers. Norman, who still wants to hear Peter Mulvey's cover of "The Ocean" PS- John, watch out for flying cheesecake. ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:25:23 -0700 From: patrick t power Subject: Re: [RS] Dar & Richard Not to re-ignite the Dar vs. Richard battle again, but I noticed the other day that Richard's "Calling The Moon" times out at 4:59 . . . Dar's runs 5:00!! Pat ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:18:38 -0700 From: patrick t power Subject: Re: [RS] Wisteria Moment Dave shared: <> Hmmm . . . sounds like just about every square foot of the United States - -- ain't progress grand?!! Pat ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:51:38 -0700 From: patrick t power Subject: Re: [RS] Dar & Richard John opined: <> I don't understand how this has anything to do with either person's music! <> I would agree that Dar is not as an accomplished guitar player as Richard, but I would tend to apply that opinion to her strumming technique as opposed to her fingerstyle play. Still, there are very well-polished techniques she uses while strumming that I wish *I* could do. <> Yes, I wish *more* teens would listen to Dar and *get* her -- actually lots of adults could use her influence. However, I have to take issue with the term "target audience." True, her management may think in these terms (as I'm sure that Charlie does vis a vis Richard) with regard to specific aspects of her career, but I don't believe for a second that *she* targets her songs to *any* particular demographic. <> "Performance" can mean very different things to different people. Richard, as much as I think he's an incredible songwriter, singer and guitar player, still lacks the warm stage presence that Dar oozes. It's my impression, often, that he'd just as soon *not* perform concerts. Since I first saw him three years ago, I think he's made improvements in letting the wall down a bit between him and his audience, but I still often wonder if he fully appreciates those who shell out the cash to come see and hear him play. A performer can be a consummate musician, but that doesn't guarantee a connection with the audience -- without whom the performance would be pointless. Pat ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:54:56 -0400 From: "Norman A. Johnson" Subject: (three seconds) Re: [RS] Dar & Richard Pat brought up : >>Not to re-ignite the Dar vs. Richard battle again, but I noticed the other day that Richard's "Calling The Moon" times out at 4:59 . . . Dar's runs 5:00!! >> That's what's listed on the CDs. I just checked it on my computer's machine. Dar 5:02, Richard 4:59. Of course, if you take out the extraterrestrial sound at the start and end of Dar's CTM, Richard's would be about 10 seconds longer. Norman ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:03:58 -0700 From: patrick t power Subject: Re: [RS] Dar & Richard Norman exited: <> I *have* heard Peter play this and it was nothing less than stunning!! That said, however, Dar performed it at Falcon Ridge and likewise blew me away -- it was the most powerful rendition of the song that I've heard her give. Pat ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:08:37 -0700 From: patrick t power Subject: [RS] Guitar site For you guitar nuts out there, this site was posted to on the Mulvey-List. http://www.discover.com/jun_00/featphysics.html ptp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:13:24 -0700 From: patrick t power Subject: Re: [RS] Re: Viva le Difference Ron snorted: <> That would be Jane Locastro, if memory serves me. Pat ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:19:00 -0700 From: patrick t power Subject: Re: (three seconds) Re: [RS] Dar & Richard Norman noted: <> Extraterrestial sounds, eh? I sort of imagined them to be electronically-created crickets! Pat p.s. If you've received this message twice, it's because my damned e-mail provider "upgraded" my service recently and I have to manually change from HTML format to plain text format every time I post to the list -- it DRIVES ME NUTS!!!! (Sally . . . if you don't check your mail until after this has posted automatically, please discard the HTML version.) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:25:58 -0400 (EDT) From: patrick t power Subject: [none] Norman noted: <> Extraterrestial sounds, eh? I sort of imagined them to be electronically-created crickets! Pat _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V2 #230 ***********************************