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shindell-list-digest     Thursday, August 10 2000     Volume 02 : Number 201



                               Today's Subjects:
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  [RS] The Fire Next Time                                [RockinRonD@aol.com]
  RE: [RS] The Fire Next Time     ["Dupas, Edward (E.M.)" <edupas2@ford.com>]
  [RS] Denmark Smells Fine    ["Young/Hunter Mgt." <charlie@younghunter.com>]
  [RS] Dar's new CD            ["Norman A. Johnson" <njohnson@ent.umass.edu>]
  [RS] FRFF Photos, Take 2                ["funster" <funster@xpnonline.net>]
  [RS] Send me your address, Fred Folmer!  [Katie Mahoney <skyboheme@juno.co]
  Re: [RS] Denmark Smells Fine                            [Rongrittz@aol.com]
  [none]                                 [patrick t power <ptpower@juno.com>]
  Re: [RS] Denmark Smells Fine         [Jeff Bernstein <jeffb@optonline.net>]

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Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 09:03:20 EDT
From: RockinRonD@aol.com
Subject: [RS] The Fire Next Time

In a message dated 8/9/2000 5:03:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Elwestrand (?) 
writes:

  << I really think we should not add flame to this particular fire. 
 It is not positive or helpful to the artists involved. If you 
 really think Dar's gone Hollywood, don't buy her CD. But I bet 
 those who doubt Dar don't doubt her enough to not buy her CD! >>

  The scuttlebutt surrounding the former CryCryCry members has nothing to do 
with Dar going "Hollywood" or anywhere else for that matter pursuant to the 
release of  "The Green World."  Those closest to the trio who have been 
around them of late have universally sensed some sort of rift.  No one knows 
what it is about or if it is even true, but there is a subtle yet discernible 
disconnect--it was apparent at Falcon Ridge.  Whatever the situation, 
obviously it's none of our business.  Unless you're a music journalist and 
sniff a story somewhere.  A fire that should definitely not be fanned is this 
sell-out commercialism bunk.  The record is superb, albeit a bit of a 
departure from her previous work.  But commercialism doesn't come into play 
in my opinion--it's just more eclectic, musically, with less reliance on solo 
acoustic guitar.  Some of the songs, like "Spring Street" and "After All" 
virtually come alive like never before with their new arrangements.   I'm 
loving every minute of every track.  In many ways it's a pivotally important 
album in that Dar once again redefines the genre of folk and forges a new and 
highly original direction for singer/songwriters to traffic in for the 
future.   Dar fans will adore this record in time, if not from the start, if 
they keep their minds open to new ideas.

RuminatinRon

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Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 09:33:07 -0400 
From: "Dupas, Edward (E.M.)" <edupas2@ford.com>
Subject: RE: [RS] The Fire Next Time

<<But commercialism doesn't come into play in my opinion--it's just more
eclectic, musically, with less reliance on solo acoustic guitar. >>

The album is not what I expected after all the hype.  I could swear Dar
billed her upcoming release as a return to a more acoustic sound.  I have
found it to be just the opposite.  Does anyone remember her mentioning
something to that effect?

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Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 11:25:02 -0400
From: "Young/Hunter Mgt." <charlie@younghunter.com>
Subject: [RS] Denmark Smells Fine

Dear Listers -
The human mind likes to see patterns in things, but - unless Dar and Richard
are very cleverly hiding things from me, which is not how they've behaved so
far in my life - I'm afraid there ain't no there there.I would posit that
Richard encored with "Sin City" because he was already onstage with Larry,
Lincoln and Denny and they were planning to play "Sin City." They haven't
rehearsed "CTM", so, if he were to have played "CTM", L, L &D would have had
to have just sat there, which might have made them feel silly. RS had to
travel in a van withh them to Newport the next day. I doubt if he wanted to
make them sullen and unhappy.

Of course, he could have then played "CTM" _after_ "Sin City" at the Iron
Horse, but that is sort of a backwards-twist of the encore tradition -- the
usual thing if you do a double-encore is to return to the stage solo, and do
one song, then invite the band back for some old classic. Arguing against
the double-encore idea, RS was very tired after the fierce cat/ dove hunter/
wavering lights/ all-radios-at-once/ snoring flight, and they had to get up
at 6:30 the next morning to get to Newport, so I doubt if Richard ever even
for a moment considered doing a double encore.

Of course, maybe I'm wrong, and it would probably be _great_ for publicity
to get a real hot rumor going of a BIG HONKING FIGHT between Dar and
Richard. Kind of a NATIONAL STAR type-thing. Imagine the headlines: "'It's
all over between us,' sobs Williams!" "Shindell heard harmonizing with
Boston housewife!"* "'I never dreamed it would come to this - I literally
feel torn apart!' cries Kaplansky."  It'd be awesome.

- -- Charlie

*he sings a harmony on Lori McKenna's new project.

PS: Don't say we don't come through... we've put Dave Carter & Tracy Grammar
on as the support act for RS at the Bottom Line in NYC on Thur. 14 Sept.

PPS: If there are any railfans on the list, I have a short piece in this
months TRAINS magazine. So there.

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Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 19:11:18 -0400
From: "Norman A. Johnson" <njohnson@ent.umass.edu>
Subject: [RS] Dar's new CD

Ed wrote:

>>The album is not what I expected after all the hype.  I could swear Dar
billed her upcoming release as a return to a more acoustic sound.  I have
found it to be just the opposite.  Does anyone remember her mentioning
something to that effect? >>

I think Dar said something like wanting to focus on melodies and harmonies
for her next record. But that was in '97, shortly after EOTS came out.

This album is more melodic (is that a word?) and relies less (if it does at
all) on drum loops than EOTS. 

I think ecletic is a good word to describe it. But I think that's true of
all of her albums. Listen to the THR. Guitars, Drums, Cellos, Roland R8
synthesizer, violins, violas, and a Fisher's price xylophone. 

I think there are a parts of TGW that are overdone (the start of "Spring
Street" sounds like a bombastic TV theme song) but on the whole, it is an
exceptional album. "After All", in particular, is a truly remarkable song,
and I feel it is *better* than anything she had done before.

Richard and Dar's versions of "Calling the Moon" are so different that they
are almost different songs. I like both, and wish I could hear Richard do
it live once.

Norman 

 

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Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 19:21:50 -0400
From: "funster" <funster@xpnonline.net>
Subject: [RS] FRFF Photos, Take 2

Did you ever have a day where your brain takes a vacation and forgets to
tell your body?  Well.  Apparently, my brain is in Tahiti.  I just got the
post card.  Sorry people, I guess you  all want to know WHERE the photos
are... Try... www.members.dca.net/~funster
Candy

"Homer Simpson:  You aren't with it, Dad"
"Grampa:  I was with it once.  Then what I was with wasn't it.  When I found
out what it was, I thought it was weird and scary.  It'll happen to YOU!"
Homerapolusa Episode; The Simpsons'

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Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 21:50:10 -0700
From: Katie Mahoney <skyboheme@juno.com>
Subject: [RS] Send me your address, Fred Folmer!

Well, that pretty much sums up my entire post.  Fred, could you please
email me?  I sent out a Retail Angels letter, and for some reason yours
bounced back.

Okay, sorry I don't have anything more interesting to write.  Well, I
could add something - but consider yourself warned, it's full of Dave and
Tracy content.  However, you'll be pleased to note that, unlike my
earlier posts, there's Richard content as well :-)

It's very strange, but in the song "The Mountain" on Tanglewood Tree, I
think Dave's backup vocals sound EXACTLY like Richard.  Even knowing that
it's Dave, I sometimes have to remind myself that it's not Richard,
because my first instinct is to assume it's him.  I can't imagine anyone
but D & T singing their songs . . . but if anyone *was* to cover "The
Mountain," I think Richard would sound great on backup.  Anyone else have
this reaction?

My mother is in the living room right now, playing my grandmother her
favorite songs from When I Go.  Three generations of
Dave-and-Tracy-lovers . . . you gotta love it.

Ciao!

Katie
<whose brother just asked if that was Cry Cry Cry singing "Kate and the
Ghost of Lost Love" in the other room . . . now that would make a strange
cover>
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Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 23:36:59 EDT
From: Rongrittz@aol.com
Subject: Re: [RS] Denmark Smells Fine

<< Don't say we don't come through... we've put Dave Carter & Tracy Grammar
 on as the support act for RS at the Bottom Line in NYC on Thur. 14 Sept. >>

Oh.  My.  God.

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Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 00:07:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: patrick t power <ptpower@juno.com>
Subject: [none]

Norman wrote:

<<Richard and Dar's versions of "Calling the Moon" are so different that
they are almost different songs. I like both, and wish I could hear
Richard do it live once.>>

I agree wholeheartedly with this assessment. There have been moments
while listening to Dar's version that I've remembered Richard having done
it, but I've yet to proclaimed -- either to myself or publicly -- that
one version is THE version. I like both for very different reasons.

And yes, I hope to hear Richard do it live someday as well.

Pat

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Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 00:13:23 -0400
From: Jeff Bernstein <jeffb@optonline.net>
Subject: Re: [RS] Denmark Smells Fine

<< Don't say we don't come through... we've put Dave Carter & Tracy 
Grammar
on as the support act for RS at the Bottom Line in NYC on Thur. 14 Sept. 
>>

I'd bet Vin Scelsa deserves some credit also.  Dave and Tracey had a 
great visit with him on Sunday night 7/30 and he was so wowed he promised 
on the air he'd call his buddy Alan Pepper and see if he could get them 
on a bill at The Bottom Line.

In the end, all that matters is it'll be a great show!

Jeff

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