From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V2 #174 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Monday, July 24 2000 Volume 02 : Number 174 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: [RS] "War against silence" review ["Clary, John (CLRY)" ] [RS] FRFF2K (or, I Know What I Did This Summer) [Jeff Gilson Subject: RE: [RS] "War against silence" review Norman suggested: >>Glenn McDonald of "The War Against Silence" might be on to something when he writes: > "I've long suspected that ever since almost producing a mainstream pop hit > as the first song on his first album ("Are You Happy Now?", on Sparrows > Point), Shindell has deliberately tried to make sure he doesn't risk it > again. " > Hmmmmmm.<< > I don't hear anything I'd call a mainstream radio single from any of Richard's records (disclaimer: I'm no A&R expert) except that the SNP version of Confession comes close. Larry Campbell is one helluva producer. As for Richard's intentions, I have suspected that he writes because he has to -- not because he wants to be a commercial success. His songs have too much substance to be comfortable for the mainstream. It would be cool though to hear Michael Stipe sing Confession and hear a jangley Rickenbacker solo in the middle from Peter Buck. j a c ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 11:08:21 EDT From: Gf212121@aol.com Subject: [RS] Falcon Ridge Hey you guys, Just back from our first Falcon Ridge, and we (my wife Isabel and I) had a great time. We were so happy to meet some of the people whose words I read and appreciate so much, like Pat P, Vanessa, and Susan. Richard's set on Saturday was fine, but the time slot was unfortunate. 2 PM on a hot day is not the best environment for Richard's music, but there was still plenty to enjoy. The real highlights came on Sunday. Richard, Dar, Lucy, Cliff Eberhardt, Jeff Lang (a killer Australian guitarist), Mary Gauthier (who has opened for several of Richard's shows) and the Canadian Celtic band The Paperboys were at a 'covers' workshop. The format lent itself perfectly to a brief Cry3 reunion, as each of the three chose Cry3 selections as their first number - Dar's was 'The Kid,' Lucy picked 'By Way of Sorrow,' and Richard did 'Cold Missouri Waters.' They helped each other out on their other numbers (Dar, as host, passed on her last number due to time), finishing up with a group take on the Paperboys' Beatles cover of 'I've Just Seen a Face,' with Richard and Lucy sharing a mike and taking the lead on one verse. Wow. The next workshop was on the songwriting process, and Richard started with 'Transit,' Dave Carter and Tracy Grammer did a song about Highway 80, Mary Gauthier did 'Camelot Motel,' so Richard pounced on the thread, leading obviously to 'The Next Best Western.' He also did a rare (for me, anyway) live take on 'Fleur-De-Lis,' stating that even he wasn't sure what it meant. No matter, it sounded fine, although in a different key than it was recorded. Richard later joined Lucy and John Gorka during their sets. Afterward, we got to say hello behind the workshop stage. Richard patiently allowed us to badger him about doing 'The Weather' live, and although I'm sure he was just being polite, I'm holding out hope for the Bottom Line shows in September. Aside from all this, my discovery of the weekend was Eddie From Ohio. How have I missed these guys all this time? By the way, the lister tribute CD sounds great. While I am not a musician, I would be glad to contribute a Shatner-like spoken word rant if there is a need for a hidden track. 'Fishing,' maybe. My DAD....used to rent us this...place...in OnTARio...you know...Canada...our neighbors to the Great White North. Home, tired, and back to work, Gene F. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 11:23:42 EDT From: RockinRonD@aol.com Subject: [RS] Foxy Richard In a message dated 7/20/2000 2:31:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Renee writes: << Well, last night at the Makor show, Lucy announced that Richard had just gotten is new guitar, which he had with him. She told him it was cute. I know it was a Martin, but I am not sure of the exact model/size etc. >> At the 10 PM show Richard did not play his Martin but his new C.Fox--a good looking guitar but the acoustics are so bad at Makor that I couldn't really get a bead on how the guitar sounds. It looks really well made and he had it at Falcon Ridge as well where he just NAILED Fleur De Lis on it during one of the Workshop Stage presentations. I sat about five feet from him and I can tell you, this guitar SINGS! Maybe Richard was inspired by the others on the stage like Dave Carter and Tracy Grammer...but I've never heard him do Fleur De Lis as beautifully as he did Sunday. Worth the trip to FRFF alone. Well, almost. Ron ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 14:08:02 EDT From: Tricia9999@aol.com Subject: Re: [RS] Falcon Ridge In a message dated 07/24/2000 8:15:28 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Gf212121@aol.com writes: > Aside from all this, my discovery of the weekend was Eddie From Ohio. How > have I missed these guys all this time? Be sure to follow up and check out their recordings. They are great. Tricia ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 14:59:23 -0400 From: "Norman A. Johnson" Subject: Re: [RS] Falcon Ridge Gene said: >>By the way, the lister tribute CD sounds great. While I am not a musician, I would be glad to contribute a Shatner-like spoken word rant if there is a need for a hidden track. 'Fishing,' maybe. My DAD....used to rent us this...place...in OnTARio...you know...Canada...our neighbors to the Great White North. >> Ummm. actually, Shatner is from Canada. Ironic, eh? >>The next workshop was on the songwriting process, and Richard started with 'Transit,' Dave Carter and Tracy Grammer did a song about Highway 80, Mary Gauthier did 'Camelot Motel,' so Richard pounced on the thread, leading obviously to 'The Next Best Western.' >> I've got an idea... a compilation album called the "Highway songs" with Richard's "Transit" and NBW, Dar's "Traveling Again", Lucy's (or is that sharon's) "Ten Year Night"..... Norman ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 12:21:28 -0400 From: Jeff Gilson Subject: [RS] FRFF2K (or, I Know What I Did This Summer) Good morning, peeps. I just woke up and took a shower (I was too tired to stand when I got home last night, so I had one more night of dirty sleep :-}), careful to mind the sunburn (my nose looks like some satelite photos of Mars today), but eager to wash the hair. At any rate, I wanted to talk about this weekend. This fabulous weekend that only happens once a year. But first, Beth Amsel wanted me to thank everybody from (Camp) Dar Camp for their enthusiasm during her two-song set. (You see, for those who weren't there, all of us were parked right down front for the entire weekend, so it was easy to tell where the enthusiasm was from. :-}). Anyway, I'm not going to go through a day by day, set by set recounting of all the best stuff. That would be a digest in itself. Instead, I'm going to do this without form, and void. And without anymore Genesis references. First off, Janis Ian. For some reason, I keep forgetting just how good she really is. "God and the FBI" is a showstopper, and I don't think I'm going to be able to get "On the Other Side" out of my head for a good long time. Mary Gauthier... wow. I've heard talk about her on various lists, but I had no idea. If you haven't heard her, go out and buy "Drag Queens and Limousines" now. Stop reading this message and go buy it. Though I'd heard Dave Carter and Tracy Grammer's new album, I hadn't seen them live before. After catching their main stage set on Friday night, and all of their workshop performances, I have decided that I'm going to marry one of them. I don't care which, and if it need be, I'll marry both, but that is how in love I am with their talent. At the very least, I'm going to quit my job and become a Davehead, selling crappy bead ornaments, and follow them around the country. The two of them are magical, and Dave writes the most haunting melodies you've ever heard. He did a lot of new stuff this weekend, and since "Tanglewood Tree" just came out, it's going to be a while before the next album, so if anyone out there has tapes of their main stage and workshop stage performances, get in touch with me and I'll see about sacrificing a goat or two in your honor. Dar's band, Steuart Smith on guitar, and a woman whose name is completely escaping me right now on bass, was really pretty tight on Saturday. I was impressed because I wasn't sure what to expect. Not that I've never seen Dar with a band before, but with a new band, you're never sure. Richard's band, with John Putnam on guitar, Lincoln Scheifler on bass, and somebody on drums, took a couple songs to get in sync, but the third song, "You Stay Here" was perfect, and they were all perfect from then on. The highlight of the weekend, though, despite the Nields, despite Moxy Fruvous, despite the Paperboys, and all the high energy bands that I love being there, my highlight was the Counterpoint Harmony workshop where Dave and Tracy broke down "Tanglewood Tree" and also performed "Kate and the Ghost of Lost Love," which one of the most beautiful songs ever written. Also during that, Lucy K and the Nields sisters did a gorgeous rendition of a Roche's song, and also did "I Know What Kind of Love This Is" with Lucy on lead. And, in the same workshop, Hugh Blumenfeld did Leonard Cohen's "Hallelujah". This one hour, toward the end of the festival, was for me what it was all about. Also, as usual, it was wonderful seeing Dar/Richard/Lucy-listers (and soon-to-be's) and to camp out with all y'all. I don't think I'm going to be able to go into work tomorrow, and it's not because of the sunburn. It's because Falcon Ridge is the one place and time where the rest of the world ceases to exist for just a little while, all the troubles of life float away, all the stress seeps out of the body, and love of your fellow human beings becomes a statement, not a question. I'll be volunteering next year, I've decided, because three days just isn't enough. 'later, jeff. - -- "The truth is that come November 7, we'll have a choice between twin sons of different ideological mothers. Both were raised in powerful political families. Both received Ivy League educations. Both served in non-combat capacities during the Vietnam War. And both possess the finely honed edge of a butter knife in a mental hospital cafeteria." -Dennis Miller - -- (an index of free radical activity) http://www.onefreeradical.com/Journal/ ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V2 #174 ***********************************