From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V2 #129 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Tuesday, June 20 2000 Volume 02 : Number 129 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [RS] Cry Cry Cry on WFUV [Wa2suh@aol.com] [RS] Shindell California ["Young/Hunter Mgt." ] [none] [rich ] Re: [RS] Cry Cry Cry on WFUV [Elwestrand ] [RS] Let's be positive if we can. [Elwestrand ] [RS] CryCryCry . . . NOT!! [patrick t power ] [RS] William Carlos Williams [patrick t power ] [RS] a common thread [Vanessa Wills ] [RS] story telling songwriting ["Norman A. Johnson" Subject: [RS] Shindell California Listers -- Nothing's wrong with the Kuumbwa Jazz Ctr. gig on Wed. July 12, although I have no idea why it is appearing or disappearing on Musi-Cal. Mary Gauthier will open that show, as well as Carson City on 7/13, Sebstapol on 7/14 and Noe Valley Ministries in San Francisco on 7/15. She's great, btw. - -- Charlie PS: I don't sense anything going on in the fact that RS & LK aren't on DW's new record. It makes sense - at this point - to give C3 a rest, especially on a Dar record. Remember, EOTS was the first time RS appeared on a Dar record, SNP was the first time DW appeared on an RS record and I don't think (I might be wrong on this, however) that DW has _ever_ appeared on a LK record. Sometimes people appear on others records, sometimes not. And certainly Dar just got to make the record she wanted to; _nobody_ dictated to her. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 15:33:07 -0500 From: rich Subject: [none] This weekend a taper friend of mine claimed that he had heard a digital soundboard patch tape of Richard's record release party at the Bottom Line New York, on April 27th. Some tapers I know in manhattan confirmed that indeed the Bottom Line does tape many of it's shows, whether this is known or unknown to the artists is not clear. He claimed that it is labelled "early show" but I can not confirm this. Can any listers confirm or deny existence of this tape? If it exists I would be happy to trade other high quality Richard/ Cry Cry Cry shows for it please respond off list. Rich ************************************************ Richard Rothenberg Internet Strategies, Inc. Consulting on all Internet related issues (516) 433-2366 rich@i-2000.com ************************************************ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 16:18:13 -0400 From: Elwestrand Subject: Re: [RS] Cry Cry Cry on WFUV Can anyone out there tape this for me? I will send cash, tapes and or some sort of contraband in return! ________________________________________________ Get your own "800" number - Free Free voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag - ---- On Mon, 19 Jun 2000, Wa2suh@aol.com (Wa2suh@aol.com) wrote: > WFUV is rebroadcasting the Cry Cry Cry concert that was performed live > at > Fordham University in December 1998, tonight, Monday June 19 at 8 PM > EDST > (0000 Greenwich Time or UTC-Tuesday the 20th). www.wfuv.org > Larry > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 16:43:11 -0400 From: Elwestrand Subject: [RS] Let's be positive if we can. Having been tar and feathered on this list myself. I send my sympathies to Ron. I do have some opinions on this subject of course: I hope that Dar works with alot of good people on the new album and we all are exposed to some new Richard's and Lucy's. I personally would not know about either of them if not for DAR. I also wouldn't have been exposed to the Nields or James Keelagen or Kris Delmhorst or my friends on this list etc. How much do we all owe Dar? I think it is sort of sacriligeous to question her musical collaborative decisions. Their are many artists who switch back and forth from stark personal records to warm collaborations. Dar has the right to steer her ship any direction she wants. If her management is having to much influence I would count on her to reign them in sooner or later. two-cents-o-rama :-) E ________________________________________________ Get your own "800" number - Free Free voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 17:11:39 -0700 From: patrick t power Subject: [RS] CryCryCry . . . NOT!! Charlie commented: <> My feeling on this whole issue is that if Dar *heard* Richard and / or Lucy in any of the songs she's including on the CD, she wouldn't have hesitated to call them. While my personal opinion of her management -- make that *current* management -- hasn't been all that high, my guess is that they wouldn't strong-arm her with regard to creative choices. I agree that the decisions with regard to specifics of the production of the recording ultimately lie with her, although I suspect that the producer holds a fair amount of sway with some of her decision-making. Still, I wouldn't think she'd allow him to ride roughshod over her desires. Pat ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 23:43:08 -0700 From: patrick t power Subject: [RS] William Carlos Williams I was in the bookstore the other day, looking at poetry books when I came across this little tidbit about Williams (which I've since conveniently culled from the web!) . . . "He wrote stories, plays and autobiographies as well as poems. His most memorable achievement is probably his five books of poetry about the humble and downtrodden Northern New Jersey city of Paterson . . . " I've not read much of Williams' work (he was a contemporary of Allen Ginsburg, Jack Kerouac, et al), but I found it interesting to think that there might be some connection with this wordsmith and "our pal Richard." Pat ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 23:56:18 -0400 From: Vanessa Wills Subject: [RS] a common thread The other night, I got to thinking about Richard's repertoire of songs, and about the seeming disparity among them. Fleshings out of biblical tales, a slow and lazy bossa nova, a rock song about drugs and i-banking. . . how odd. Beware--it's late at night and I'm so, so tired from my merciless spinning instructor (any spinning enthusiasts here? I love it), so I'm making no attempt to scrape the cheese off my little diatribe, here. This will probably all seem very obvious to a lot of you, but I was very happy with my tiny thought when it struck me. The most important thing that *all* of Richard's songs have in common is the humanity that Richard brings to his characters, no matter who they are, or how minor they are in the story he is telling. So much music is of the "You suck" variety (see, Ani Difranco, The Murmurs). A prime example of this is "By Now;" you might despise the protagonist, but it is clear that he is not quite a monster, not quite inhuman, not so different from you. And better still, Richard manages to identify with his characters without glorifying them or their goals, as other artists (the great ones, included) often do (see, Peter Gabriel, whom I adore, nonetheless). Moreover, Richard often chooses the types of people to whom we scarcely give a second thought. These are cultural throw-aways, people we value at about a dime a dozen. He transforms them from abstract ideas to round, real, breathing people. Witness the poor, pregnant backcountry girl, the grandmother of the disappeared child, the veteran, even the couch potato. These are usually caricatured personas. Oh, well, that's enough of me--just a thought I figured I'd throw out there. Maybe I'll be more coherent later. I just marvel at Richard's gift for seeing the music, beauty and story in the most ordinary of circumstances. I think I'm gonna go listen to "Transit" again. Peace, Love, and Mischief, Vanessa ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 00:29:58 -0400 From: "Norman A. Johnson" Subject: [RS] story telling songwriting Vanessa wrote: >> The most important thing that *all* of Richard's songs have in common is the humanity that Richard brings to his characters, no matter who they are, or how minor they are in the story he is telling. So much music is of the "You suck" variety (see, Ani Difranco, The Murmurs). A prime example of this is "By Now;" you might despise the protagonist, but it is clear that he is not quite a monster, not quite inhuman, not so different from you. And better still, Richard manages to identify with his characters without glorifying them or their goals,>> Absolutely. Richard identifies with and allows us to identify with his characters. I would add as a prime examples "Fishing" and "Confession". >>Moreover, Richard often chooses the types of people to whom we scarcely give a second thought. These are cultural throw-aways, people we value at about a dime a dozen. He transforms them from abstract ideas to round, real, breathing people. Witness the poor, pregnant backcountry girl, the grandmother of the disappeared child, the veteran, even the couch potato. These are usually caricatured personas. >> But that's just good story telling. Richard is great at it but he's not the only one. Harry Chapin did it... the stoned cabbie, the lonely little midnight watchman and the similarly lonely rotund waitress. Dar can do that... the drowning man by the ocean and his disillusioned friend, the guy who wants to be part of a beer commerical for just one day, the hippie babysitter. What these good story teller songwriters do is want us to continue creating the character. That's why we've had the casting call thread. Norman ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V2 #129 ***********************************