From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V2 #112 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Friday, June 9 2000 Volume 02 : Number 112 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [RS] What's the sunburst deal? [TRNMT@aol.com] [RS] Sunbursts ["David E. Briggs" ] RE: [RS] Sunbursts ["Clary, John (CLRY)" ] [RS] the sunburst ["sharon g" ] Re: [RS] There Went The Sun [Lee Wessman ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 08:15:04 EDT From: TRNMT@aol.com Subject: [RS] What's the sunburst deal? In a message dated 6/8/00 12:42:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dbriggs@mediaone.net writes: << Collings makes a beautiful Sunburst. I think the sunburst is becoming a sort of a lost art. I saw a Tippin OM sunburst at a guitar show here last month and I thought it was terrible. And that guitar was priced higher than any Collings I've ever seen. >> Not wanting to sound stupid, but I was just wondering...is there some way in which the sunburst has an effect on the sound of an instrument? Does the process change the sound? I thought it was just an aesthetic thing. Nancy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 08:58:55 -0500 From: "David E. Briggs" Subject: [RS] Sunbursts Nancy writes: > Not wanting to sound stupid, but I was just wondering...is there some way in > which the sunburst has an effect on the sound of an instrument? Does the > process change the sound? I thought it was just an aesthetic thing. > It never occurred to me that a sunburst top might sound different. It would if the manufacturer used a different grade wood for sunburst vs. natural. But as far as I know, it is purely aesthetic. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 10:18:46 -0500 From: "Clary, John (CLRY)" Subject: RE: [RS] Sunbursts > Nancy writes: > > Not wanting to sound stupid, but I was just wondering...is there some > way in which the sunburst has an effect on the sound of an instrument? > Does the process change the sound? I thought it was just an aesthetic > thing. < And then Dave adds: > It never occurred to me that a sunburst top might sound different. It would if the manufacturer used a different grade wood for sunburst vs. natural. But as far as I know, it is purely aesthetic. < I agree that the color doesn't change the tone, but I think the high gloss finish on cheaper guitars "clamps" the grain together and prevents the top from vibrating to it's fullest potential. Someone mentioned earlier that Dar's old sunburst guitar sounded better when played in a percussive, barre chord style. I believe that has way more to do with the construction and setup of the guitar and not what color or pattern the top has. The guitar I like to use for percussive barre chord style is my Martin DM. I had the saddle shaved and the neck adjusted for Medium gauge strings. The action is as low as it possibly can get without buzzing when fretted above 12. Barre chords make a slight rattle that is close to a buzz but a pleasing sound. Except that you can hear the notes of the chords, I almost consider this to be a percussion instrument. I use a lot of string damping with the heal of my right hand and grip the barre lightly / tightly depending on how much tone or percussion I'm trying to get. Open chords still sound normal so it's not a dedicated percussion tool. j a c ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 09:14:27 PDT From: "sharon g" Subject: [RS] the sunburst hey RONNO whats the story- I was there when dar's guitar eeked out of tune due to the end of the summer winds in the church and Anne Weiss gave dar back the sunburst dar played it well- I love anne's playing of the guitar and she plays that one vey well- we agree she is the Female Cliff eberhardt to me and i just missed her in NYC..DRATS i asked dar after the show about hte guitars and hse said SHE and Richard traded and they are on LOAN though Richard has said DAR GAVE him her guitar dar also said she was given a BAEZ martin- that is what i know... are you starting with me- i miss kissing your forehead big guy... sharonG- im paying attention keep on talking of boys and girls with guitars i may learn something ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 09:56:13 -0700 From: Lee Wessman Subject: Re: [RS] There Went The Sun >Ron wrote about how Dar's songs no longer sounded as strong when he >saw her play them on one of her old guitars. That's an interesting point there about guitar songs. The instrument they're written on can almost become a part of the song. And the song can change its personality on another instrument. For centuries I played and wrote on an old, vintage Gibson. (Pawn shop, 1969, 100 bucks.) About six or seven years ago I bought a wonderful Collings C-100. (Upscale music shop, 1993, 2500 clams.) The new guitar took my songwriting in an entirely new direction. But many of my old songs sort of fell by the wayside. They just didn't come out the same on the new guitar. For a while I would take both guitars to gigs so I could play the old songs. Eventually, I relearned some of the old songs on the new guitar, but they sort of had to reinvent themselves. New arrangements and such. It was good for the songs, really. I suppose this is all a factor when Richard goes on tour and doesn't delve much into his old repertoire, or plays an old song in an entirely new way, like he does with "Reunion Hill" or "Iron Gate." I remember requesting "Courier" once, and he kindly agreed to play it although he was no longer using the guitar it was written on. He clearly struggled to make it sound the same. It didn't. (Still sounded great, though. Love that song. Quintessential Richard.) - -lee ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V2 #112 ***********************************