From: owner-sheryl-crew-digest@smoe.org (sheryl-crew-digest) To: sheryl-crew-digest@smoe.org Subject: sheryl-crew-digest V6 #13 Reply-To: sheryl-crew@smoe.org Sender: owner-sheryl-crew-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-sheryl-crew-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk sheryl-crew-digest Friday, January 17 2003 Volume 06 : Number 013 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [sheryl-crew] C'Mon C'Mon questions [Oliver Schick ] Re: [sheryl-crew] C'Mon C'Mon questions [XMystery79@aol.com] Re: [sheryl-crew] C'Mon C'Mon questions ["John D. Wilkinson, III" Subject: [sheryl-crew] C'Mon C'Mon questions Thank you for your replies on my C'Mon C'Mon question. I suppose the main reason it hasn't really grown on me is because it still feels as if she was forced to make it. I don't just think of her as an entertainer, but as an artist, and it seems to me as if on C'Mon C'Mon she's struggling, and failing, to confirm that identity. Anyway, it's useless to speculate. I like listening mainly to Abilene, Diamond Road, and Weather Channel. I have two questions on these--sorry if it's already been discussed to death on the forum: (1) What's the significance of 'Abilene'? Is she alluding to some American myth? It seems to be related somehow to the general theme of the song? (2) What's meant by the phrase 'birthday pony'? Is it likewise something American, or is it something she made up? Finally, I wish those people on the forum would realise that Sheryl is doing the US a very great service by voicing her opinion in public. I respect her greatly for that. And I've been to the forum, but I prefer the Crew ... Oliver. - ---------------------------------------- oliver.schick@kcl.ac.uk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 14:48:35 -0500 From: FadedSign@aol.com Subject: [sheryl-crew] ANOTHER Sheryl biography I did not read Buskin's biography (yet) but In March, a new one will be released - Maximum Sheryl Crow: The Unauthorised Biography of Sheryl Crow by Ben Graham Here is a picturehttp://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/1842401939.02.LZZZZZZZ.jpg You can pre-order it an barnes and noble. I have no info on this. Hopefully its a good one! Keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 14:03:46 -0800 (PST) From: Fiona Subject: Re: [sheryl-crew] C'Mon C'Mon questions No clue about Abilene but I think what Sheryl says in 'Weather Channel' is a lazy 'birtday party' as opposed to pony. I can hear what you're hearing though. Fee Oliver Schick wrote:Thank you for your replies on my C'Mon C'Mon question. I suppose the main reason it hasn't really grown on me is because it still feels as if she was forced to make it. I don't just think of her as an entertainer, but as an artist, and it seems to me as if on C'Mon C'Mon she's struggling, and failing, to confirm that identity. Anyway, it's useless to speculate. I like listening mainly to Abilene, Diamond Road, and Weather Channel. I have two questions on these--sorry if it's already been discussed to death on the forum: (1) What's the significance of 'Abilene'? Is she alluding to some American myth? It seems to be related somehow to the general theme of the song? (2) What's meant by the phrase 'birthday pony'? Is it likewise something American, or is it something she made up? Finally, I wish those people on the forum would realise that Sheryl is doing the US a very great service by voicing her opinion in public. I respect her greatly for that. And I've been to the forum, but I prefer the Crew ... Oliver. - ---------------------------------------- oliver.schick@kcl.ac.uk Hitch your wagon to a star... Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 19:01:09 EST From: XMystery79@aol.com Subject: Re: [sheryl-crew] C'Mon C'Mon questions In a message dated 1/16/2003 5:12:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, oliver.schick@kcl.ac.uk writes: > > Finally, I wish those people on the forum would realise that Sheryl is > doing the US a very great service by voicing her opinion in public. I > respect > her greatly for that. And I've been to the forum, but I prefer the Crew I think a lot of the problem people have with it is that she's intentionally trying to be so in your face about it. And now she's selling her "I don't believe in your war Mr. Bush" shirts on the merchandise section of her website...it just seems like she's profitting off of her opinion. I mean I think she'd probably donate any proceeds to charity, but to the unfamiliar it looks bad. I think that's one of the things that brought her Cleveland concert down a little...don't get me wrong, I had a great time, but she started up on the anti war thing before safe & sound.(It was the night before the 9/11 anniversary so maybe she just did it that night, I don't know). People paid for a rock concert, not a political rant. But in the end after it's all been said and done, it is her right to wear the shirt...any attempts to say otherwise do the U.S. a great disservice. And remember the people on the forum are just a minority, just a bunch of angry trolls. They'll go away eventually. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 23:22:33 -0600 From: "John D. Wilkinson, III" Subject: Re: [sheryl-crew] C'Mon C'Mon questions I noticed that her anti-war message appears to have been pulled from the web site. Maybe it needed some editing. :-) I respect her right to express her opinion, but I get a distinct flavor of "I'm right, and anyone who disagrees with me is wrong" flavor from some of the things that she has said. The fact that she apparently supported intervention in the Balkans (at least, she entertained the troops there) leads me to wonder if her opinions are anti-war or primarily anti-Bush. I don't view her speaking out as particularly courageous, either. Courageous would be an Iraqi citizen speaking out against the government. Or one of the Kurdish kids from my daughter's high school returning to their native country (well, that might just be foolhardy). The downside for Sheryl is insignificant in comparison. Some criticism from people who don't care for her anyway. A few people who won't buy her records (probably balanced by some encouraged to do so). Some free publicity. And she publicly toes the (Hollywood) party line. That said, I'm not sure that I disagree with her. War is not a good solution. Certainly those who see it as a "continuation of policy by other means" (Clausewitz, IIRC) are morally wrong. There does need to be national discussion on this issue. So I view it as a good thing when she makes her position known. But she sounds a bit strident, and we need reason on this point. John - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 6:01 PM Subject: Re: [sheryl-crew] C'Mon C'Mon questions > > In a message dated 1/16/2003 5:12:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, > oliver.schick@kcl.ac.uk writes: > > > > > Finally, I wish those people on the forum would realise that Sheryl is > > doing the US a very great service by voicing her opinion in public. I > > respect > > her greatly for that. And I've been to the forum, but I prefer the Crew > > I think a lot of the problem people have with it is that she's intentionally > trying to be so in your face about it. And now she's selling her "I don't > believe in your war Mr. Bush" shirts on the merchandise section of her > website...it just seems like she's profitting off of her opinion. I mean I > think she'd probably donate any proceeds to charity, but to the unfamiliar it > looks bad. > > I think that's one of the things that brought her Cleveland concert down a > little...don't get me wrong, I had a great time, but she started up on the > anti war thing before safe & sound.(It was the night before the 9/11 > anniversary so maybe she just did it that night, I don't know). People paid > for a rock concert, not a political rant. > > But in the end after it's all been said and done, it is her right to wear the > shirt...any attempts to say otherwise do the U.S. a great disservice. And > remember the people on the forum are just a minority, just a bunch of angry > trolls. They'll go away eventually. ------------------------------ End of sheryl-crew-digest V6 #13 ********************************