From: owner-sheryl-crew-digest@smoe.org (sheryl-crew-digest) To: sheryl-crew-digest@smoe.org Subject: sheryl-crew-digest V4 #117 Reply-To: sheryl-crew@smoe.org Sender: owner-sheryl-crew-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-sheryl-crew-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk sheryl-crew-digest Thursday, April 26 2001 Volume 04 : Number 117 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [sheryl-crew] Some reacts [Philippe Mora ] [sheryl-crew] Re: The Globe Sessions ["Michael Worrell" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 13:34:50 +0200 From: Philippe Mora Subject: [sheryl-crew] Some reacts Hi all ! I think that speak about CDS; it's not anargue, so I don't understand people who want stop this. If I came on this mailing list, it's for know who fans like her music. I don't care if Sheryl have an husband or whatever... I think Brigitte started a good conversation. Indeed, do you know how many tgs were buy in the world ? Personnaly, I don't know, but probably less than TNMC and SC. I know that the quality of an album is not proportional to its sale, but people forget more and more Sheryl now. And yes, maybe the tune was less original in TGS than TNMC or SC. For the two firsts cds, I put some time for adore them, whereas I like (only like) at once. In fact, it was a familiar sound, only a familiar sound. But I don't worry, and like wrote Brigitte : we can't love all the cds, and I will do like her... listen cds before buy it. Little answer for Takuji : I agree with you. But do you like as much as tgs and sc ? For Gaston : it's not an attack on TGS ! You know, we love all Sheryl music, but we don't have same tastes. I see that with the top 10 of each person on my site, and you can believe me, its very heterogeneous. So, it's not an argue, but a sharing of our tastes about important things (see Anne ? But agree with you that we don't care a propo Kid rock or others ;o) ) Philippe PS : Ronny !! You have a luck with Sheryl !! lol ! PPS : Michael, I think that you said right things a propo TGS. [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of philippe.mora.vcf] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 12:18:12 -0400 From: "Michael Worrell" Subject: [sheryl-crew] Re: The Globe Sessions Previously, on sheryl-crew-digest: Anne Etienne (etienne_anne@hotmail.com) wrote: >I agree with you Gaston. I think that cheap talk has been going on long >enough now and it's time for us to move on. Please the mailing list is not a >place where we are to fight or argue about unimportant things but rather a >place for fans to talk about what really matter, i.e. Sheryl's music and why >we like it... Please stop that mess now, what do we care if you won't buy >her next album or if she is going with Kid Rock or if it's a good thing or >not? Man, I don't post that often but the last couple of days were crazy and >I am now outraged at all that so please stop it now OK. You win. We should talk about what really matters, like "Ooh I saw Sheryl in People magazine!!!!!!" No. If we're supposed to talk about her music, then what part of "Some of the songs on The Globe Sessions fall flat for me" isn't about her music? As for who she's seeing, I really could care less, as long as she doesn't wind up in the sack with the junior senator from New York State. Yet, we've had copious dialogue about Owen Wilson, Gina Gershon, and whoever else she's been linked to in the last few years, and yet, nobody complained. Whether or not someone's going to buy an album is most certainly part of the 'fan experience' and thus probably more 'relevant' than random gossip about her and Owen Wilson, Eric Clapton, or anyone else. If you think this is 'crazy' and you're in a state of outrage, heh, well...this is tame. Nobody's ancestry has been maligned, nor has anyone tossed out expletive-laced tirades. This is, as mailing lists go, a rather civil discussion. Once again, Michael "You think you know what I'm doing, so obviously you don't."---Aeon Flux ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 12:43:13 EDT From: XMystery79@aol.com Subject: Re: [sheryl-crew] Re: No offense but... In a message dated 4/26/01 2:58:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time, worrelmr@ehc.edu writes: > > 'Mississippi', 'Members Only', and 'Crash and Burn' kind of all fell flat > for me. Ditto for 'Am I Getting Through--Part II' and 'Subway Ride'.[1] > Conversely, there's almost no song on "Sheryl Crow" that I don't like. In > fact, I can't think of any. I also miss whatever accent she used to have in > TNMC and SC---I prefer the girl from Kennett, not a New York City > carpetbagger. Go West, young lady![2] > > Well, if you read some of the intereviews from the time, that's who Sheryl was when she wrote TGS. Sorry if it didn't strike you as brilliant or you didn't like it as much, but it was genuine to what she was feeling at the time. I'd take that any day over some manufactured attempt at Sheryl Crow the album Part 2. - ---------------------------------------------------- Join Care2.com's Race for the Rain Forest! Sheryl Crow : If It Makes You Happy ------------------------------ Date: 27 Apr 2001 02:02:00 +0900 From: "Takuji Shimoda" Subject: [sheryl-crew] Re: TNMC and SC similar?? Michael, I understand your opinion about TGS though I would disagree on some points. I think the "core" of the album is from Am I Getting Through to The Difficult Kind, which well represent the atmosphere of the album. But unfortunately they are not so accesible, I understand some people feel they are dark or depressed. Maybe the album is more mature than the previous two and it needs repeated listening to understand its deepness. Personally, Anything But Down and The Difficult Kind are two best songs of the album and I'm not surprised if there are some people who remember Sheryl with these songs. Thank God that Bob Dylan handed Sheryl Mississippi. If it had not happened, these two songs might have not been present in this world... > Part of this stems from the simple fact that "Sheryl Crow" >may very well be one of the best albums to have come out in the last ten >years or so. I cannnot agree more on this point. Actually Sheryl Crow happens to be my favorite album of the '90s. But I prefer TGS far more than TNMC. I don't regard the sound in TNMC as her signature sound either because the sounding of the songs in the album is so different from what you would hear at Sheryl's concerts. Partly this is because Sheryl's singing is not as good as now, but the biggest problem with me is how her voice sound in the album. It sounds very much "engineered" and definitely it's so different from her real voice you can hear in concerts. This is also why I like the later two albums far more than TNMC.Tchad Blake did a really wonderful job! I also think the studio versions in TNMC are overproduced. So Michael, what was the reason you think TNMC and SC belong to the same style? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Takuji Shimoda E-mail: soullove@ca2.so-net.ne.jp http://www01.u-page.so-net.ne.jp/ca2/soullove/eddi/ER_Home_e.html (Eddi Reader) http://www01.u-page.so-net.ne.jp/ca2/soullove/fa/FairHome_e.html (Fairground Attraction) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 14:25:10 -0400 From: "Mike Sarzo" Subject: Re: [sheryl-crew] Re: The Globe Sessions From: "Michael Worrell" >If we're supposed to talk about her music, then what part of "Some of the >songs on The Globe Sessions fall flat for me" isn't about her music? I agree there... I didn't join this list to blindly support everything Sheryl's done. Part of the interest of this list is being able to get into debates like the merits of "Am I Getting Through" or the reasons I hate "All I Wanna Do." >As for who she's seeing, I really could care less, as long as she doesn't >wind up in the sack with the junior senator from New York State. Even if she did end up sleeping with the junior senator, who cares? If she's rumored to have a "more than friends" relationship with Stevie Nicks, that's fine too. It'd certainly make for some interesting reading on Enchanted or the Stevie newsgroup! >If you think this is 'crazy' and you're in a state of outrage, heh, >well...this is tame. Nobody's ancestry has been maligned, nor has anyone >tossed out expletive-laced tirades. This is, as mailing lists go, a rather >civil discussion. I definitely agree there... try getting into the Stevie abortion debate on Enchanted... that will generate hard feelings so fast it'll make your head spin. I'd say this list is REMARKABLY civil. Mike _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:04:56 +0200 From: "Gaston PEETERS" Subject: Re: [sheryl-crew] Re: TNMC and SC similar?? - ----- Original Message ----- From: Takuji Shimoda To: Michael Worrell ; Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 7:02 PM Subject: [sheryl-crew] Re: TNMC and SC similar?? > Michael, > > I understand your opinion about TGS though I would disagree on some > points. I don't understand and I respectfully but strongly disagree. > I think the "core" of the album is from Am I Getting Through to The > Difficult Kind, which well represent the atmosphere of the album. But > unfortunately they are not so accesible, I understand some people feel they > are dark or depressed. Lou Reed's "Berlin", all of Velvet Underground's albums, John Lennon's "Plastic Ono Band", Linda Ronstadt's "Hasten Down The Wind", Neil Young's "Tonight's The Night" and almost anything Bob Dylan has ever done is "dark and depressive". Most serious music lovers agree that it's great music though! Maybe the album is more mature than the previous two > and it needs repeated listening to understand its deepness. Hmmm....I thought the previous two were mature also,but I agree with the second part of this statement. > Personally, Anything But Down and The Difficult Kind are two best songs of > the album and I'm not surprised if there are some people who remember > Sheryl with these songs. What about "My favorite mistake","There goes the neighberhood","Riverwide"and yes (sorry Michael) "am I getting through" and "Members Only""? These would all be on my personal "The best of Sheryl" compilation. I agree though that "The difficult kind" is simply outstanding. Thank God that Bob Dylan handed Sheryl > Mississippi. If it had not happened, these two songs might have not been > present in this world... And getting a song from a living legend like Dylan is really the ultimate compliment! > > Part of this stems from the simple fact that "Sheryl Crow" > >may very well be one of the best albums to have come out in the last ten > >years or so. I would give it four stars out of five, so yes, it's a very good album. > I cannnot agree more on this point. Actually Sheryl Crow happens to be my > favorite album of the '90s. I alweys find it very difficult to label ANY album as being the best, but I think "The globe sessions" is one of the very best albums of the last 10 years or so. > But I prefer TGS far more than TNMC. I don't regard the sound in TNMC as > her signature sound either because the sounding of the songs in the album > is so different from what you would hear at Sheryl's concerts. Partly this > is because Sheryl's singing is not as good as now, but the biggest problem > with me is how her voice sound in the album. It sounds very much > "engineered" and definitely it's so different from her real voice you can > hear in concerts. This is also why I like the later two albums far more > than TNMC.Tchad Blake did a really wonderful job! > I also think the studio versions in TNMC are overproduced. I LOVE "TNMC"! But yes it sounds different from the other two. "TNMC" sounds more like the music that used to come out of California during the 70's. Gaston. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Takuji Shimoda > E-mail: soullove@ca2.so-net.ne.jp > http://www01.u-page.so-net.ne.jp/ca2/soullove/eddi/ER_Home_e.html > (Eddi Reader) > http://www01.u-page.so-net.ne.jp/ca2/soullove/fa/FairHome_e.html > (Fairground Attraction) > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:31:21 EDT From: HepcatER@aol.com Subject: Re: [sheryl-crew] sheryls in the enquirer(sp?) and more << also has anybody herd any more on the traverse city concert?? let me know >> My aunt (who lives in Traverse City) said it was cancelled due to a conflict in Sheryl's schedule. So I'm pretty upset. The one time she comes to my state and it gets cancelled. Grrr. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 20:29:10 EDT From: DParr122@aol.com Subject: [sheryl-crew] TID BITS sorry I haven't been keeping up, so some of this may be old 1) Did anyone pay attention to Sheryl's presentation of the blockbuster award to Stevie Nicks. She talked about meeting her hero. Well I can tell you the same thing holds true for SHERYL! :) I was lucky enough to meet my idol Dec 2nd and I was not disappointed. Sheryl and her parents are first class people. What Sheryl does in her private life (HA HA) will not detract from that. She is the Greatest rock artist of all time and nothing can change that. (to me anyway) 2) ON her albums, They are all a little different, but they are definitely SHERYL and that is what counts to me. Her new song KTG is a little different also, but it is definitely Sheryl too. I am not a music major (or critic), but I know what I like and I haven't found a Sheryl song yet that I don't like. That's what seperates her from the rest. I can't say that about any other artist and that includes the Beatles and Elvis. 3)This collaboration stuff you all have been writing about. It seems that a bunch of artists are doing this lately. Just curious (I don't pretend to know) but do you think it could be two fold a money move and publicity? $- wouldn't collaborating with a few other artists save you $ by not having to hire back up singers for studio sessions and of course the other way also you help me, I help you. Publicity. Like Johnny Cash on his CD Sheryl Crow singing backup on a couple songs. CHEAP especially since they tried to drown her out on those tunes. How does Sheryl sound on Stevies album? Just like was stated in a couple posts it is still Sheryl on lead VOCALS so I know her new album will be worth the wait! And finally THANKS! Mauseee for the cute little break from the rest of the posts! :) I have to disagree with you though it was Sherylish Just remember Love (Sheryl) is a good thing. Hmm wonder who said that DaveP ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 20:59:16 -0400 From: "Mike Sarzo" Subject: Re: [sheryl-crew] TID BITS 1) Did anyone pay attention to Sheryl's presentation of the blockbuster award to Stevie Nicks. She talked about meeting her hero. Well I can tell you the same thing holds true for SHERYL! :) I was lucky enough to meet my idol Dec 2nd and I was not disappointed. Sheryl and her parents are first class people. I saw that... and as a Stevie Nicks fan for the last 22 years, I really enjoyed it. Sheryl's respect for and work with Stevie was what made me also a Sheryl fan... and now that I am, I'm finding what another Stevie fan who is also in the Sheryl community says is true: She's got a lot of important things to say. On my own, I'm finding that Sheryl fans have their own special bond, which Stevie fans talk about having constantly. 2) ON her albums, They are all a little different, but they are definitely SHERYL and that is what counts to me. Her new song KTG is a little different also, but it is definitely Sheryl too. I am not a music major (or critic), but I know what I like and I haven't found a Sheryl song yet that I don't like. Stevie and my roommate are my number one favorite songwriters (my roommie even wrote a song for me!), but Sheryl's right up there with them. In my case, though, Stevie's done some songs I hated, and my roommate has written some songs that I haven't liked as much. Of course, I don't get to sing with Stevie and Sheryl like I do with my roommate (even though all I can do with singing is harmonies). 3) How does Sheryl sound on Stevies album? Just like was stated in a couple posts it is still Sheryl on lead VOCALS so I know her new album will be worth the wait! Sheryl figures REALLY prominently on "Sorcerer" and "Candlebright" (you can CLEARLY hear her backing vocals on those songs), though her backing vocals on "Fall From Grace" are more noticeable on the Blockbuster version than they are on the record. My roommate is not a very big Stevie fan, but he *really* likes "Fall From Grace" and he said HE thought Sheryl's backing vocals were better on the live version. He also said the record company should release the live version of "Fall From Grace" as a single... he said he thought it could sell AND he thought it could be a hit. Hey, Stevie and Sheryl TOTALLY brought the house down at the awards with a performance that I watch over and over again... I've got Bruce Springsteen's concert, the entire Blockbuster Awards, and Stevie Nicks's appearance on the Chris Isaak show on the tape, and the point I play over and over again is "Fall From Grace!" Sorry for the tangent, but I just wanted to let you know how noticeable Sheryl is on the songs she was part of on Trouble in Shangri-la. The songs carry a Sheryl feel to them AND they really capture Stevie well. That's the mark of a great producer! :-) Long-windedly, Mike _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ End of sheryl-crew-digest V4 #117 *********************************