From: owner-sheryl-crew-digest@smoe.org (sheryl-crew-digest) To: sheryl-crew-digest@smoe.org Subject: sheryl-crew-digest V3 #149 Reply-To: sheryl-crew@smoe.org Sender: owner-sheryl-crew-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-sheryl-crew-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk sheryl-crew-digest Friday, May 26 2000 Volume 03 : Number 149 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [sheryl-crew] Fee [LARAGATLING@webtv.net (Lara)] Re: [sheryl-crew] Another MP3... ["Jonathan @ FIU" ] Re: [sheryl-crew] Fee [=?iso-8859-1?q?fiona=20cox?= ] [sheryl-crew] Off: new e-mail addy [irishharp2m6@worldspy.net] Re: [sheryl-crew] Sheryl Says "Napster is an evil, evil, evil place to go" ["Helen Louise Mead" Subject: Re: [sheryl-crew] Another MP3... It is a sad sad day. I taped two Sheryl Crow TV apperances yesterday, and I must say I'm quite ambivalent. One, was on MSNBC and featured Sheryl fighting for Artists' right with record companies under the copyright acts. And to this I say, GO SHERYL! And then, later that evening I taped another apperance (however brief) by accident on MTV's (OH GOD!) Napster News Special. She was only on for about five seconds but what she said was enough to scar me. :( "Napster, is evil." I can't believe it! After searching long and hard for her opinion I get it on MTV of all places, and it just so happens to be completely against everything I stand for. And to Sheryl I say, I baught all your albums. (At least all the American releases I could afford.) Napster is simply another way to enjoy pop artists and to discover unknowns. I'm co founder of a local (Miami) record label and we use napster everyday as the most convenient way to get out the artists we work with. Its not evil. What a poor misjudgement. Sure, there is the high possibility that napster in all its glory is able to cause massive damage to artists, but the good FAR outweighs the bad. And should napster burn, there will only be other services to take its place. Long before napster I was ble to easily get MP3s through www.oth.net (Not that I'm endorsing illegal behavior) however I have to say that one of the reasons I bought Sheryl's albums was because I first heard them on MP3 format. (Some of them.) Cry foul all you like, but in the end its all about the money. Money makes the world go round. I suppose. (Under this logic my world probably hasnt gone round in quite some time.) I still love you Sheryl! Rock On! Fight the evil and manipulating record labels! But dont fight (in whatever form) those innocent fans of yours who are just trying to make a living. (Just like you!) - -Jonathan PS: I know I wrote this like Sheryl was actually reading. I can wish right? Actually I dreamed last night that she was a member of the list, and that secretly she watched our psycho babble from afar! PPS: I know. I'm dumb. :( - ----- Original Message ----- From: "fiona cox" To: ; "Crew" Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2000 1:21 PM Subject: Re: [sheryl-crew] Another MP3... > Okay, I'll go, not because I worship Sheryl Crow and > the cover she did of Leonard Cohen/Jeff Buckley a#made > my cry, but because I am a kind soul who will sign you > r guest book. Okay? > > fee > --- David Ribeiro wrote: > Crew, > > > > I have just uploaded 2 more MP3s to my site for you > > guys to download and > > enjoy. They are "Strong Enough" on Letterman, and > > "Hallelujah" on West 54th > > Sessions. I hope you like them, "Hallelujah" is > > breath taking for me, > > incredible! > > > > Could some kind souls out there sign my guestbook > > after you download the > > MP3s, it would mean a lot. > > > > Take care, and happy listening, > > > > > > David Ribeiro > > Sheryl Crow Paradise > > http://listen.to/SherylCrow > > > > > ===== > "Love is touching souls" > - Joni Mitchell, in 'A Case Of You', from the sublime album 'Blue', which is nearly as good as 'Tuesday Night Music Club' or 'Sheryl Crow' or 'The Globe Sessions'. > But not quite, obviously. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 04:34:33 -0700 (PDT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?fiona=20cox?= Subject: Re: [sheryl-crew] Fee hahaha - you're off the wall, girl. BaKARP! Grande Ole Opry?! WOW! That's soooo cool! That's call your friends to tell them even though it's three in the morning exciting! Oh, man! Did you play any Sheryl? For you, there must have been SO much noise, from all your fans! And I lo-ooooo-o-o-ooooooooove Sugar Ray, so much I can't even express it in words. There's just something about Sugar Ray that I can't get enough of. Yup, I'm Sugar Ray's no. 1 fan. haha - a fee-crew-digest indeed - um, well this week she's been spaced out, not switched on at all and she's in so much trouble for not doing any work at all! Just so you all know. And that video - I don't know, would it be safe to send it via air mail? Maybe you should get someone to accompany it on the plane, I mean, it is Sheryl, I'd want it to be safe. ===== "Love is touching souls" - - Joni Mitchell, in 'A Case Of You', from the sublime album 'Blue', which is nearly as good as 'Tuesday Night Music Club' or 'Sheryl Crow' or 'The Globe Sessions'. But not quite, obviously. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 13:19:44 EDT From: XMystery79@aol.com Subject: Re: [sheryl-crew] Another MP3... In a message dated 5/26/00 5:03:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jmarti23@fiu.edu writes: > "Napster, is evil." > > I can't believe it! After searching long and hard for her opinion I get it > on MTV of all places, and it just so happens to be completely against > everything I stand for. And to Sheryl I say, I baught all your albums. > (At least all the American releases I could afford.) Napster is simply > another way to enjoy pop artists and to discover unknowns. I'm co founder > of a local (Miami) record label and we use napster everyday as the most > convenient way to get out the artists we work with. Its not evil. What a > poor misjudgement. > I know I replied already, but I don't understand how her position on Napster would bother people that much. She's not exactly a superstar, so it's as rediculous as Metallica's position. Also she's not demanding her songs to be removed or kicking people off who download her songs. I doubt she means that about her B-sides anyway. Even if I don't always agree with her position on things I still respect her decisions. I just read that thing that Lisa posted about her testimony and I can't believe that she has to pay for recording her album..ewww. And she makes a lousy dollar out of the $15 you pay for the cd. So don't think Sheryl is the one who is raking in all the $$ off of her sales. I also think that she could be saying that from the position that the label might try to blame the sales losses on her when it could be other things like napster. They already called her a loser for "only" selling 1 million copies.. - ---------------------------------------------------- Sheryl Crow : If It Makes You Happy Join Care2.com's Race for the Rain Forest! Alladvantage.com < /A> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 16:21:16 -0000 From: "Jonathan @ FIU" Subject: Re: [sheryl-crew] Another MP3... Because Sheryl is a god and many people live off of everything she says and does! Well, maybe not really... but I respect her very much, and it came as some sort of a shock to me to find one of her own viewpoints directly conflicting with my own. This is opposed to all those other view points in her albums that I whole heartedly agree with. - -J - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 5:19 PM Subject: Re: [sheryl-crew] Another MP3... > In a message dated 5/26/00 5:03:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jmarti23@fiu.edu > writes: > > > "Napster, is evil." > > > > I can't believe it! After searching long and hard for her opinion I get it > > on MTV of all places, and it just so happens to be completely against > > everything I stand for. And to Sheryl I say, I baught all your albums. > > (At least all the American releases I could afford.) Napster is simply > > another way to enjoy pop artists and to discover unknowns. I'm co founder > > of a local (Miami) record label and we use napster everyday as the most > > convenient way to get out the artists we work with. Its not evil. What a > > poor misjudgement. > > > I know I replied already, but I don't understand how her position on Napster > would bother people that much. She's not exactly a superstar, so it's as > rediculous as Metallica's position. Also she's not demanding her songs to be > removed or kicking people off who download her songs. I doubt she means that > about her B-sides anyway. Even if I don't always agree with her position on > things I still respect her decisions. I just read that thing that Lisa posted > about her testimony and I can't believe that she has to pay for recording her > album..ewww. And she makes a lousy dollar out of the $15 you pay for the cd. > So don't think Sheryl is the one who is raking in all the $$ off of her > sales. I also think that she could be saying that from the position that the > label might try to blame the sales losses on her when it could be other > things like napster. They already called her a loser for "only" selling 1 > million copies.. > ---------------------------------------------------- > > Sheryl Crow : > If It Makes You Happy > > Join Care2.com's > Race for the Rain Forest! > > Alladvantage.com < > /A> > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: 26 May 2000 15:26:22 -0700 From: irishharp2m6@worldspy.net Subject: [sheryl-crew] Off: new e-mail addy Hey everyone, Unfortunatly i had to get rid of AOL so i don't have my sherylcrow2000@aol.com e-mail (origionally scrow816@aol.com) anymore :-( I knew that my father was gonna get rid of it because he told me that he was gonna get rid of his credit cards so before he got rid of them i downloaded WorldSpy (a free internet service provider)so therefor i doubt that this e-mail is going to go (unless i get AOL back). well that's all i have to say. oh and did anyone see Sheryl on the news lastnight about congress (or someone)labeling musicians as "work for hire" Shawn ______________________________________________________________ Get free Internet service and email at http://www.worldspy.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 00:58:29 +0100 From: "Helen Louise Mead" Subject: Re: [sheryl-crew] Sheryl Says "Napster is an evil, evil, evil place to go" Hi everyone, I don't know about anybody else, but I feel that there is nothing quite like being able to physically hold your new purchase of a CD/tape/vinyl, and actually be able to play they without having to switch on a damn computer (this is important, as a computer science student) and you can take your new album to your friend's house, and providing they have a CD player - you can play it there - i suppose there are mp3 players, but one thing is for sure - no one is ever going to a have a limited edition Sheryl mp3 in pink vinyl :-) and if they did it would not be worth much (only sentimental value) as it can be copied so easily. If you are a fan of an artist then you are probably going to buy every album anyway, regardless of whether or not you like any of the songs on it (although to not like them is unlikely for an avid fan) and if you are not an avid fan then you will probably not want to waste valuable hard disk space on their songs, unless you like the songs, in which case you will probably buy the album too. I think mp3s provide a good opportunity for new artists to promote their music (eg mp3.com) and also for well known artists to get their music to a wider audience - a market that doesn't normally exist anyway as these people would not normally have the chance to listen to the music. I wonder if in years to come we will look back at our music collection with our children as our parents once did with us and their LPs and says "ahhh" {double-click} "this one really brings back memories". It's not quite the same as taking an aged record out of it's cover. MP3s probably won't be compatible anymore, and our children will laugh at us sitting at our old computer double- clicking on our virtual music. What does everybody elses opinions on this? (apologies for my ramblings - didn't actually INTEND to write an essay) Helen --------- 0100,0100,0100On 25 May 2000, at 23:19, XMystery79@aol.com wrote: 7F00,0000,0000> I don't know if she meant it but she has a point. She does joke around a > lot, and with her statements on bootlegs in the past It makes me wonder if > she was serious. When I was searching for any rare tracks that I didn't > have, I noticed there were tons of her singles and easy to find tracks like > Strong Enough on there. It's not really the artist's fault the CD costs $18, > that's the markup that the label and CD stores put on there. Also there are > ways to get CDs cheaper, like shopping at a place like Best buy, or I hate to > say it but wal mart..Usually CDs are under $14 there. Also with the music > clubs online and used CD stores, it's not really that hard to find music > cheap if you look for it. I don't think a person has the right to download a > whole album and then say Oh I'm too poor to buy it, but I want it so I'll > just take it. Just because it's easy to do doesn't make it right. So who > says students need 50+ CDs anyway? When I was younger and I wanted > something I had to do chores and work for it. If you want it that bad then > you should buy it. Don't you guys think that Sheryl deserves to be rewarded > for her work? She is one of the hardest working artists out there. I'm not > saying that people shouldn't download a song or 2 to see if they're curious, > I do agree somewhat with what Christina said about it being a marketing tool > in some cases. I myself have downloaded a couple of songs that I could have > bought the CD, but truthfully didn't want to rest of the cd. Since I wouldn't > have bought it anyway, they're not really losing out. It's the whole album > thing that bothers me. I don't agree with that logic that "Oh well they're > rich already, why are they upset?". I know if it was me, I would be pissed if > people were enjoying a product that I put out and I wasn't getting my fair > share. Some people might say it's greedy, but they haven't really been in > that position, so I wouldn't be so quick to judge and justify it by saying > the person is rich. Especially with many artists getting screwed by their > labels, who make most of the $$ from CDs anyway. That's just my .02 on the > subject. > ---------------------------------------------------- > > <Sheryl Crow : > If It Makes You Happy< > > <Join Care2.com's > Race for the Rain Forest!< > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: 26 May 2000 17:24:39 -0700 From: irishharp2m6@worldspy.net Subject: Re: [sheryl-crew] Sheryl Says "Napster is an evil, evil, evil place to go" Subject: Re: [sheryl-crew] Sheryl Says "Napster is an evil, evil, evil place to go" To: psythlm@hermes.nottingham.ac.uk From: irishharp2m6@worldspy.net Date: 26 May 2000 17:22:06 PDT i admit it i go to napster but i go to get Sheryl tracks that are real hard to find like recently i downloaded the alternate version of hard to make a stand. (i download all songs at my friends house) what i do is i decode the mp3 into .wav format and have my friend burn it onto a CDr. but most of the time the CDr is temporary until i can find the real cd in a store and but it. and if i never find the cd in a store then well the CDr is gonna be permanent for the song(s) that i have on it. i see nothing wrong in the way that i use it but others might but personally i really dont care after all if i can find the offical cd im gonna buy it just for the sake of haveing the official cd. well thats it for me on that issue Shawn On Fri, 26 May 2000, "Helen Louise Mead" wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > > I don't know about anybody else, but I feel that there is nothing > quite like being able to physically hold your new purchase of a > CD/tape/vinyl, and actually be able to play they without having to > switch on a damn computer (this is important, as a computer > science student) and you can take your new album to your friend's > house, and providing they have a CD player - you can play it there - > i suppose there are mp3 players, but one thing is for sure - no one > is ever going to a have a limited edition Sheryl mp3 in pink vinyl :-) > and if they did it would not be worth much (only sentimental value) > as it can be copied so easily. > > > If you are a fan of an artist then you are probably going to buy every > album anyway, regardless of whether or not you like any of the > songs on it (although to not like them is unlikely for an avid fan) > and if you are not an avid fan then you will probably not want to > waste valuable hard disk space on their songs, unless you like the > songs, in which case you will probably buy the album too. > > > I think mp3s provide a good opportunity for new artists to promote > their music (eg mp3.com) and also for well known artists to get > their music to a wider audience - a market that doesn't normally > exist anyway as these people would not normally have the chance > to listen to the music. > > > I wonder if in years to come we will look back at our music > collection with our children as our parents once did with us and > their LPs and says "ahhh" {double-click} "this one really brings > back memories". It's not quite the same as taking an aged record > out of it's cover. MP3s probably won't be compatible anymore, and > our children will laugh at us sitting at our old computer double- > clicking on our virtual music. > > > What does everybody elses opinions on this? > > > (apologies for my ramblings - didn't actually INTEND to write an > essay) > > > Helen > > --------- > > > > 0100,0100,0100On 25 May 2000, at 23:19, XMystery79@aol.com wrote: > > > 7F00,0000,0000> I don't know if she meant it but she has a point. She does joke around a > > > lot, and with her statements on bootlegs in the past It makes me wonder if > > > she was serious. When I was searching for any rare tracks that I didn't > > > have, I noticed there were tons of her singles and easy to find tracks like > > > Strong Enough on there. It's not really the artist's fault the CD costs $18, > > > that's the markup that the label and CD stores put on there. Also there are > > > ways to get CDs cheaper, like shopping at a place like Best buy, or I hate to > > > say it but wal mart..Usually CDs are under $14 there. Also with the music > > > clubs online and used CD stores, it's not really that hard to find music > > > cheap if you look for it. I don't think a person has the right to download a > > > whole album and then say Oh I'm too poor to buy it, but I want it so I'll > > > just take it. Just because it's easy to do doesn't make it right. So who > > > says students need 50+ CDs anyway? When I was younger and I wanted > > > something I had to do chores and work for it. If you want it that bad then > > > you should buy it. Don't you guys think that Sheryl deserves to be rewarded > > > for her work? She is one of the hardest working artists out there. I'm not > > > saying that people shouldn't download a song or 2 to see if they're curious, > > > I do agree somewhat with what Christina said about it being a marketing tool > > > in some cases. I myself have downloaded a couple of songs that I could have > > > bought the CD, but truthfully didn't want to rest of the cd. Since I wouldn't > > > have bought it anyway, they're not really losing out. It's the whole album > > > thing that bothers me. I don't agree with that logic that "Oh well they're > > > rich already, why are they upset?". I know if it was me, I would be pissed if > > > people were enjoying a product that I put out and I wasn't getting my fair > > > share. Some people might say it's greedy, but they haven't really been in > > > that position, so I wouldn't be so quick to judge and justify it by saying > > > the person is rich. Especially with many artists getting screwed by their > > > labels, who make most of the $$ from CDs anyway. That's just my .02 on the > > > subject. > > > ---------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > <Sheryl Crow : > > > If It Makes You Happy< > > > > > > <Join Care2.com's > > > Race for the Rain Forest!< > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ Get free Internet service and email at http://www.worldspy.com ------------------------------ End of sheryl-crew-digest V3 #149 *********************************