From: owner-sheryl-crew-digest@smoe.org (sheryl-crew-digest) To: sheryl-crew-digest@smoe.org Subject: sheryl-crew-digest V2 #171 Reply-To: sheryl-crew@smoe.org Sender: owner-sheryl-crew-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-sheryl-crew-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk sheryl-crew-digest Wednesday, May 26 1999 Volume 02 : Number 171 Today's Subjects: ----------------- sweet child o mine ["PoGo" ] Re: sweet child o mine [Tiffany ] all this maxim talk ["Sam" ] Phoenix show ["Cummings, Ann Marie" ] maxim [Kirk Anderson ] Re: Maxim(um) Sheryl pt. 2 [David Bryson ] Re: Maxim(um) Sheryl pt. 2 [mlucas@fund.bisys.com] RE: now think about it... ["Diego Novak" ] RE: Maxim(um) Sheryl pt. 2 ["Diego Novak" ] Re: sheryl-crew-digest V2 #170 [Mitch ] It's Sheryl's body [SCrow816@aol.com] Re: sweet child o mine [SCrow816@aol.com] Re: It's Sheryl's body ["Michael L. Rogers" Subject: sweet child o mine hey since this is getting air play i was wondering if anyone is going to turn this into an mp3? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 01:47:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Tiffany Subject: Re: sweet child o mine I've not heard the newest song "Sweet Child o' mine," yet. Can someone, please tell me where I can hear this, like in a .wav format or otherwise? I'm very eager to hear this song, and everywhere that I look the search still continues .. ~T. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 10:32:19 +0100 From: "Sam" Subject: all this maxim talk I havent seen the maxim pictures yet, but either way I dont give a damn - its the body she way born with, she can choose to show it and choose for it to be published in Maxim and deal with whatever consequences come from it! basically my drift is none of us has a right to give a damn. sam xxxx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 08:36:05 -0400 From: "Cummings, Ann Marie" Subject: Phoenix show jumping on the wagon here...I'd love a copy of the Phoenix show too, if anyone has it. I don't have much to trade, but email me privately and maybe we can work something out. As far as the pictures go(I have to throw my $.02 in here), she's a grown woman capable of making her own decisions. So maybe none of us would pose like that, but hey--it's got nothing to do with the music... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 09:15:48 -0400 From: Kirk Anderson Subject: maxim >I screamed outloud when I saw this picture!!! Oh My GOD!!!! Those are >parts of Sheryl I NEVER!!!! wanted to see, nor did I need to see, holy lord >(pardon my french for all those who are religious), I can't believe it, why >did she do this???!!!?? I am in complete shock, I need to lie down......am >I crazy or did other people react like this? You might not be 'religious', but American puritanism flourishes well in 'non-religious' soil. You sound like a very hung-up person. I like to think she did it to force folks like you to re-evaluate things a bit. Is it working? "I still get stoned/I'm not the kind of girl you take home" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 09:37:59 -0500 From: David Bryson Subject: Re: Maxim(um) Sheryl pt. 2 Why is everyone making a stink over the pictures. In case you did not notice on the cover of the 1996 rollingstone the dress she is wearing is see threw to. Dave >I screamed outloud when I saw this picture!!! Oh My GOD!!!! Those are >parts of Sheryl I NEVER!!!! wanted to see, nor did I need to see, holy lord >(pardon my french for all those who are religious), I can't believe it, why >did she do this???!!!?? I am in complete shock, I need to lie down......am >I crazy or did other people react like this? > >A absolutely distraught, > >Christina >-----Original Message----- >From: mlucas@fund.bisys.com >To: sheryl-crew@smoe.org >Date: May 25, 1999 8:34 AM >Subject: Maxim(um) Sheryl pt. 2 > > >> >> >>Try this website for one of the Maxim magazine pictures of Sheryl. >> >> http://www.Keg.com/HyperNews2/get/daiapc41/19938.html >> >> >> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 09:37:18 -0400 From: mlucas@fund.bisys.com Subject: Re: Maxim(um) Sheryl pt. 2 Where can a genuine photo be found? The ones I've seen have all been fakes. Thanks. - --------------------------------------------------------------------- "Hmmmm, My opinion splits when it comes to this issue. She has already gained all the respect, really, as for the pic, maybe it wasn't a 'great' move, but it is indeed the (late) 90's and that doesn't shock me at all, if some of you surf a bit harder next time you'll find a pic of Sheryl totally naked on the web, from the TNMC era I believe. She did it back then, maybe not expecting it to be published, but it's out there... ...so in others words it's not new, see what I mean ? This one is just getting more exposure." David ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 20:38:09 -0300 From: "Diego Novak" Subject: RE: now think about it... Is anybody going to woodstock 99?? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 20:36:14 -0300 From: "Diego Novak" Subject: RE: Maxim(um) Sheryl pt. 2 Showing her body is going against everything she thinks and always defended? mmmm. I dont think so. Just think she;s already a superstar. She aint doing this for money. Anyway, i would like to ask her why she did it. But again!!!! THE PHOTO SUCKS! That photographer i'd like to kick him! anyway..... diego - --Mensaje original----- De: Christina Clark Para: sheryl-crew@smoe.org Fecha: Martes, 25 de Mayo de 1999 08:19 p.m. Asunto: Re: Maxim(um) Sheryl pt. 2 >So what you are saying that in the 90's it's perfect for a woman to show her >body, even though it is totally unrelated to what she does in her career? >Women have been fighting for years for the respect of their male >counterparts, for an opportunity to be treated as equals, this is indeed the >90's, what kind of pictures should we be seeing in magazines? Fully clothed >women who are successful in their careers (such as live Sheryl concert >photos) not successful in having a body that men think is good enough for >them to get their thrills off of. Why does this woman feel that she needed >to do this, especially since she has many a time commented on how she hates >being a woman in this industry because of how people judge her by her looks, >so she goes and does a photo shoot for a trashy men's magazine that is all >about who can have the deepest cleavage on the cover? She is WAY better >than this, and I personally think it was a mistake. > >Christina > >P.S If it sounds like I am a flaming feminist I am not, I just feel that >that comment by Diego saying that this is the 90's was rediculous ( I'm not >saying this in a harsh way, I just needed to set that boy straight), and >that by doing this spread, Sheryl is being so hippocritical. >-----Original Message----- >From: Diego Novak >To: sheryl-crew@smoe.org >Date: May 25, 1999 6:15 PM >Subject: RE: Maxim(um) Sheryl pt. 2 > > >>This is the 90's and i think its perfect that sheryl did that. >>what's so bad about showing your body? god... >>bye >>diego >>-----Mensaje original----- >>De: Christina Clark >>Para: sheryl-crew@smoe.org >>Fecha: Martes, 25 de Mayo de 1999 07:02 p.m. >>Asunto: Re: Maxim(um) Sheryl pt. 2 >> >> >>>I screamed outloud when I saw this picture!!! Oh My GOD!!!! Those are >>>parts of Sheryl I NEVER!!!! wanted to see, nor did I need to see, holy >>lord >>>(pardon my french for all those who are religious), I can't believe it, >why >>>did she do this???!!!?? I am in complete shock, I need to lie >down......am >>>I crazy or did other people react like this? >>> >>>A absolutely distraught, >>> >>>Christina >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: mlucas@fund.bisys.com >>>To: sheryl-crew@smoe.org >>>Date: May 25, 1999 8:34 AM >>>Subject: Maxim(um) Sheryl pt. 2 >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Try this website for one of the Maxim magazine pictures of Sheryl. >>>> >>>> http://www.Keg.com/HyperNews2/get/daiapc41/19938.html >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 14:23:26 +0200 From: Mitch Subject: Re: sheryl-crew-digest V2 #170 Hey party ppl !! LOOOONG time no see !! Who's been partying hard - I certainly haven't coz I've got a tonne of work to get thru' this year ! That's why I haven't been active on the list (for all those ppl wond'ring where I'd dissappeared to...) - oh, and hello to all newbies - sheeesh, the list is getting big - I'm sure you've been properly welcomed by our welcome wagon...hehe !! Anyway, I just wanna add my voice to the whole thing about the Maxim pic - - relax all, we can't judge others if we dunno their motives - I'm sure Sheryl had a rational reason for doing it. I gotta say if Sheryl did wanna do this nude thing properly she could do it abouit a million times better anyway - I rate she's just experimenting anyway. Okay, well I'd also like to ask Lisa : "what major movements did I miss in the last 5-6 months ?" Oh, and hi to all who remember me ! PARTY ON 'Sunshine Sally' - -=Mitch-ö=- ps hey Amanda, how's life ? pps - to whoever mentioned the totally nude pic - it's a poor fake - anyone can see from a mile away ! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 10:25:22 EDT From: SCrow816@aol.com Subject: It's Sheryl's body i think that it took a lot if guts for Her to do that. And i completly respect Her decision to do what She did. It is Her body and if She wants to show it She should i dont Her people complaining when an actress does a toppless scene in a movie and Sheryl has the body for it too. The body is more beautiful that anything. Personally i would be a little embarassed and wouldnt do it but thats jsut me. and Sheryl did it. Why is so many people making such a big deal out of it. if you dont like the picture than dont look at it. Thats all there is to it. If you are a Sheryl fan you would support Her in Her decision. Have a good day everyone, Shawn ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 10:33:25 EDT From: SCrow816@aol.com Subject: Re: sweet child o mine same for me i havent heard the song yet i wanna know where i can get the mp3 can some please tell me ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 10:51:08 -0500 (CDT) From: "Michael L. Rogers" Subject: Re: It's Sheryl's body Hmmm... I have my Bachelor of Science in Journalism and Bachelor of Arts in English and both teach that it is only considered proper to capitalize the pronouns "Her" and "She" when referring to a diety. Is Sheryl Crow, a human the last time I checked, definitely one after seeing the Maxim pic, a diety now? - --Michael On Wed, 26 May 1999 SCrow816@aol.com wrote: > i think that it took a lot if guts for Her to do that. And i completly > respect Her decision to do what She did. It is Her body and if She wants to > show it She should i dont Her people complaining when an actress does a > toppless scene in a movie and Sheryl has the body for it too. The body is > more beautiful that anything. Personally i would be a little embarassed and > wouldnt do it but thats jsut me. and Sheryl did it. Why is so many people > making such a big deal out of it. if you dont like the picture than dont look > at it. Thats all there is to it. If you are a Sheryl fan you would support > Her in Her decision. > > Have a good day everyone, > Shawn > ****************************************************************************** "...And I hear them saying 'You'll never change things, And no matter what you do it's still the same thing.' But it's not the world that I am changing- I do this so this world will know that it will not change me." --Garth Brooks "The Change" ****************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 11:58:28 EDT From: SCrow816@aol.com Subject: Re: It's Sheryl's body Sheryl has always been a Goddess to me and i always put Her and She in captials whe refering to Her ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 11:04:21 -0500 (CDT) From: "Michael L. Rogers" Subject: Re: It's Sheryl's body Ummm, okay... So when are we going to see "Her" church? "Her" Bible? - --Michael ****************************************************************************** "...And I hear them saying 'You'll never change things, And no matter what you do it's still the same thing.' But it's not the world that I am changing- I do this so this world will know that it will not change me." --Garth Brooks "The Change" ****************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 12:12:15 EDT From: SCrow816@aol.com Subject: Re: It's Sheryl's body its here in my room there is one Her alters at at one of my friends house you can find one and some of my other friends have shrines you can go worship Her there and Her bible wasn't published yet or you can just think of the lyrics to Her songs as the Her bible ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 11:39:42 -0500 (CDT) From: "Michael L. Rogers" Subject: Re: It's Sheryl's body Reality check, please? ****************************************************************************** "...And I hear them saying 'You'll never change things, And no matter what you do it's still the same thing.' But it's not the world that I am changing- I do this so this world will know that it will not change me." --Garth Brooks "The Change" ****************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 12:46:29 EDT From: SCrow816@aol.com Subject: Re: It's Sheryl's body excuse you but i am fully with reality i am just obsessed w/ Sheryl I LOVE HER so dont you tell me that i am not w/ reality you dont know me. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 13:21:12 EDT From: CigSM@aol.com Subject: WOMEN WHO ROCK!! VH1 marks women's impact By CARLA HAY Billboard NEW YORK (BPI) _ In celebration of women's contributions to popular music, VH1 will present ``The 100 Greatest Women Of Rock'N'Roll'' July 26-Aug. 1. The special is a countdown based on results of a survey conducted by VH1. According to the network, those who voted were female entertainers, writers, photographers, industry executives, and politicians. VH1 had a similar countdown last year with ``The 100 Greatest Artists Of Rock'N'Roll,'' as voted on by artists whose music is played on VH1. VH1 won't reveal where the artists are ranked on the ``100 Greatest Women Of Rock'N'Roll'' survey until the special is televised, but Billboard Magazine has learned that Aretha Franklin and Janis Joplin were ranked among the top three on the list. The list represents a diverse array of artists, ranging from veterans (Joni Mitchell, Bonnie Raitt, Madonna, Tina Turner) to such newer artists as Alanis Morissette, Erykah Badu, and Sheryl Crow. Various genres of contemporary music are represented, including R&B (Gladys Knight, Anita Baker, Patti LaBelle); jazz (Billie Holiday, Peggy Lee, Sarah Vaughan); country (Dolly Parton, Emmylou Harris, Patsy Cline); hip-hop (Queen Latifah, Salt 'N Pepa); and the blues (Bessie Smith, Ruth Brown, Big Mama Thornton). One artist who made the list was Sarah McLachlan. McLachlan, the founder of the female-oriented Lilith Fair festival tour, says, ``The success of Lilith Fair was spawned by a number of female singer/songwriters who were very successful on their own. Putting these people together gave us a certain strength.'' Liz Phair, also on the list, agrees that the Lilith Fair (which has been co-sponsored by VH1 and on which Phair has been a performer) has had a huge impact for female artists. She says, ``diversity in female artists than there was 10 years ago. What's changed since, say, the days when Joni Mitchell first started, is that I think people are more interested in women as songwriters. Female performers are being taken more seriously.'' Phair, who calls herself a ``fierce feminist,'' adds, ``I think my first album [1993's ``Exile In Guyville''] hit at the right time. I've always been marginal, but it's heartening that people can relate to my music.'' Donna Summer, also on the list, has a longer view. ``I think that female artists have been coming into their own since the 1960s,'' she says. ``But now, women are making their own statements and taking more control of their careers, and I really respect that.'' Summer adds, ``One of my greatest frustrations was having people telling me what to say in my music. I grew up in the rock'n'roll era, and I was influenced by everything from Aretha Franklin to the Rolling Stones to theater to Bonnie Raitt to Joni Mitchell. I have no desire to do music that bores the living crap out of me. Whether or not the audience gets the music is not the issue. I won't make a certain kind record unless it's what I feel I'm about at the time.'' Summer's next album is ``VH1 Presents Donna Summer: Live & More-Encore!'' VH1 executive vice president of talent and music programming Wayne Isaak says, ``If you look at the last five years in music, there's no question that women have become more prominent. A ``best of' category focusing on women is often overlooked, and we wanted to recognize female artists who've made a difference in music.'' Voting took place last September and October. Since VH1 ensured confidentiality to the voters, the names of those who voted can not be revealed to the public. ``The 100 Greatest Women Of Rock'N'Roll'' will be hosted by actresses Julianna Margulies (''ER''), Courteney Cox (''Friends''), and Susan Sarandon, as well as actress/singer Jennifer Lopez and former Spice Girls member Geri Halliwell. First lady Hillary Rodham Clinton is also featured in the special, although VH1 says she did not vote in the survey. NOT THE USUAL SUSPECTS Some people may be surprised to learn that some artists regularly featured on VH1 such as Celine Dion, Mariah Carey, Jewel, and Shania Twain _ did not make the final cut. Meanwhile, lesser-known artists like Kim Deal (the Pixies, the Breeders), Exene Cervenkova (X), and Kim Gordon (Sonic Youth) did. VH1 senior vice president of original programming and development Lauren Zalaznick comments on another artist who did not make the final cut: ``I think Lauryn Hill would've made it on the list, and she was very close to getting on the list, but her album [''The Miseducation Of Lauryn Hill''] was released around the time voting was about to be closed. I think since then, her album has made such an impact that if voting were held now, she would probably be on the list.'' Zalaznick adds, ``I think this list represents the top 100 women who the voters felt had the biggest influence on music. It's not necessarily about the artists who've had the most hits. People like [ranked artists] Ann and Nancy Wilson of Heart were out doing their thing before it was cool to be a woman in rock.'' Heart lead singer Ann Wilson says, ``Some things have changed in the music industry. There's a little more room for women. But some of the rules haven't changed: Women's images still have to be a certain way. Women have to portray what the industry considers palatable to the public. If you're an overweight female artist, the music industry will expect you to get a personal trainer to lose the weight.'' She adds, ``But I have to be optimistic when I see artists like Shawn Colvin and Lucinda Williams doing well, because they wouldn't have gotten as much recognition 10 years ago.'' On June 19, Ann and Nancy Wilson will embark on their first U.S. tour together without a band. Wilson adds, ``We're going to put out an [Ann and Nancy Wilson] album, but we're road-testing the songs first.'' Chaka Khan, another artist on the list, says, ``I think women have definitely made progress since when I started in the business. Joni Mitchell was certainly a pioneer in many ways. I think the progress has been made with women being able to make music independently and maintaining a lot of freedom of expression in their art.'' ------------------------------ End of sheryl-crew-digest V2 #171 *********************************