From: owner-sheryl-crew-digest@smoe.org (sheryl-crew-digest) To: sheryl-crew-digest@smoe.org Subject: sheryl-crew-digest V2 #143 Reply-To: sheryl-crew@smoe.org Sender: owner-sheryl-crew-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-sheryl-crew-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk sheryl-crew-digest Tuesday, May 11 1999 Volume 02 : Number 143 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: All this fanclub business... [=?iso-8859-1?Q?=A7=2B=40r=20G=AE=AE=AEL] Re: All this fanclub business... [XMystery79@aol.com] Re: All this fanclub business... ["F. Jason Rhoden" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 03:23:22 -0400 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=A7=2B=40r=20G=AE=AE=AEL?= Subject: Re: All this fanclub business... I forgot one more point, excuse me: Jason wrote: " Life the day after meeting her for 20 seconds is going to be just the same as the day before." Well perhaps for someone who has never met her, one might feel this way. But I did get to meet her. And just standing by her for that "20 seconds" did change me, *suprise suprise!*. It made me want to push myself harder to try to better myself so I could get there. And I know that doesn't go for everyone. And I know that is egomaniacal. But it is the truth, no matter your opinion. Just like listening to TNMC when I was 14 made me a "fan", just like being a fan made me want to see her live, just like seeing her live and making eye contact that one time made me want to be a singer and still be my own person, not a Sheryl rip off. She inspired me and I can't stand people who are going to put me down for that. So please don't tell the so called "true fans" to back off. Because that, my friend, is lunacy. And by the way, this *is* a fan club, whether you like it or not. Group of individuals, sharing a common interest, and still getting their daily Sheryl information. Only difference between this and an Official fan club, would be T-shirts. Anyone want to print some T-Shirts? Stepping off the soapbox and probably having to leave the list again, Michele ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 03:25:19 EDT From: XMystery79@aol.com Subject: Re: All this fanclub business... After all Michele said I don't feel I can say much more :P The point is last week i had the opportunity to meet and briefly be close to my idol. It made me happy to realize Sheryl appreciated my support and it made her happy to konw that people like me (and this list) enjoy her work. I mean if she felt threatened by fans like myself why was she smiling at me? Why did she personalize my autograph? And you know what my life was a little better the next day because of it. I have spent 4 years loving this woman's work and to be able to say that I got to meet her makes me happy. So how can you say what it's like if you've never met her before? Of course i respect her immensly and i wouldnt bother her if she was like eating or sitting with her family or anything, but if she's in walking down the street in public she herself knows that she's making herself open to people just walking up to her (Who's fault is that? that's just the way it is and if i decied not to do it someone else will.) She could always just drive around with black tinted windows lol.. And i agree I do think the backstage passes are a bit too much, i never expected or believed that i deserved them or anything. And yes a fan club would be nice, my sister joined the offspring one and got a t-shirt a cd w/ 4 songs, some stickers and some other stuff, and I would love sheryl to have something like that. Of course if she doesn't have one that's fine too..Don't you think sheryl would think something was wrong if we *DIDN'T* try to get her autograph? I mean come on she herself i n interviews implied that what people think of her matters and positive reinforcement can't hurt her. She did fanatic..she did storytellers, she did a lunch for radio station with fans didn't she? The point is sheryl expects and probably enjoys a little fan attention..So quit raining on our parade :P ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 03:51:23 -0400 From: "F. Jason Rhoden" Subject: Re: All this fanclub business... I said my view on backstage passes, and fandom was "scandalous", didn't I? :) And, as usual, it attracted a flame from a fan who rejected my approach. No problem there, except: any time I say something about not really wanting to meet her, and just wanting to let her live in peace, I get those silly "you're not a 'real' fan" posts from somesuch person or another. I resent the implication that I am not a "real fan", as you clearly intended the following passage to imply: "Perhaps you don't understand the purpose of a fan club. If you weren't interested in Sheryl Crow or discussing Sheryl Crow or being informed about her, why are you on this mailing list? Maybe you are interested in talking about her, but does that make you or any of us any less of a human being?" Well, firstly, I'm on the mailing list because I enjoy and collect her music. Two hundred CDs, a webpage, and half of the people on this list would attest ot the fact that I am a big fan. Not because I wanna know what kind of food she eats, who she went on a date with, and stuff like that. Her job is as a musician, and I enjoy that music. But, like I said on the previous post, I don't want to walk up to her on the street, and say "hi". It would just be an intrusion, and I would hate to be a bother to someone who I so enjoy listening to. Regardless of how gracious she legendarily is to fans, I'd rather not impose. That's just how I am. And I think I probably do understand the purpose of fan clubs, since I help run a couple on some sixties artists. So, as usual, silly, ungrounded, cheap shot by someone who must have not read the whole post. And I never said that people who want to meet her, and all that sort of stuff were bad people, but off to the races you went with that notion. Again, groundless. I just said that you should recognize her as a normal person. And no, the "pop star" tag is not mutually exclusive from being a "normal person", the same way that being a "construction worker" doesn't make one abnormal. It is her profession. The thing is, can you imagine living under that sort of pressure? It drove Elvis Presley into the ground (well, that and jelly filled doughnuts). I think it would be horrible to be a pop star. But, Michelle, that doesn't mean that I don't enjoy or collect the music of pop stars. And as for a special fan club CD, I would get it, and I never said I wouldn't. I just said that it is true that in a couple of interviews she has made anti-boot comments, specifically about people "paying $100" for the unreleased album. So yes, thats "what the hell I'd know" (to paraphrase Michelle) that it was a concern of hers. If you want, I'll dig up those passages and post them, so that you can "be informed of her", since clearly you missed those interviews. Next time, reading all of the post, and reading it clearly, may help you produce a criticisim of it, rather than an old hat "you're not a *real* fan" flame. People have different views on just how much privacy people of that nature should have, and I happen to think that they deserve a lot of privacy. Just because you disagree doesn't make me or you bad. Just different. And, unlike you, I was not insulting you. And I know what I want to be in life, too. A political scientist. And being political scientist (unlike being a pop star) really does make you not a normal person :) Oh well, good luck on your career (and don't expect me to walk up to you on the street then, either :) ). Jason ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 04:19:57 -0400 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=A7=2B=40r=20G=AE=AE=AEL?= Subject: Re: All this fanclub business... Heh. "F. Jason Rhoden" wrote: > I said my view on backstage passes, and fandom was "scandalous", didn't I? There is no scandal here, as much as you would like there to be. > And, as usual, it attracted a flame from a fan who rejected my approach. > No problem there, except: any time I say something about not really wanting > to meet her, and just wanting to let her live in peace, I get those silly > "you're not a 'real' fan" posts from somesuch person or another. Show me where I said (typed out that) you weren't a real fan, and I will unsubscribe from this list instantly. > I resent the ___implication___ that *Never* assume anything. It gets you into trouble. > I am not a "real fan", as you clearly intended the > following passage to imply: > > "Perhaps you don't understand the purpose of a fan club. If you weren't > interested in Sheryl Crow or discussing Sheryl Crow or being informed about > her, why are you on this mailing list? Maybe you are interested in talking > about her, but does that make you or any of us any less of a human being?" Where does that say that you, Jason, are not a real fan. Never assume anything, it makes you look bad. > Well, firstly, I'm on the mailing list because I enjoy and collect her > music. Bravo. > Two hundred CDs, Excuse me? 200 Sheryl Crow Cd's? Those wouldn't happen to be the bootleg kind that she doesn't like us buying, would they? > a webpage, and half of the people on this list would > attest ot the fact that I am a big fan. Again, I never said you weren't. > Not because I wanna know what kind > of food she eats, who she went on a date with, and stuff like that. When did I say I wanted to know the food she eats? I want a Sheryl Crow Membership card. Not her receipt from Spago's. > Her job is as a musician, and I enjoy that music. But, like I said on the > previous > post, I don't want to walk up to her on the street, and say "hi". It would > just be an intrusion, and I would hate to be a bother to someone who I so > enjoy listening to. Regardless of how gracious she legendarily is to fans, > I'd rather not impose. That's just how I am. Bravo. > And I think I probably do understand the purpose of fan clubs, since I help > run a couple on some > sixties artists. Bravo again. > So, as usual, silly, ungrounded, cheap shot by someone who > must have not read the whole post. Show me where there were "cheap shots" and I will be forever humiliated. > And I never said that people who want to meet her, and all that sort of > stuff were bad people, but off to the races you went with that notion. No.. I did not. I stated my opinion, just as you did. > Again, groundless. I just said that you should recognize her as a normal > person. And no, the "pop star" tag is not mutually exclusive from being a > "normal person", the same way that being a "construction worker" doesn't > make one abnormal. It is her profession. The thing is, can you imagine > living under that sort of pressure? It drove Elvis Presley into the ground > (well, that and jelly filled doughnuts). I'm so happy that someone is so concerned for her well being. You are allowed to feel that way, just like I am allowed to want to run her into the ground head first, *only in your eyes of course* by wanting a fan club. > I think it would be horrible to be > a pop star. But, Michelle It's Michele, thanks. I did spell my name correctly in the past 2 posts. I won't take that as an insult, because I know you would never do anything like try to insult me back for an insult you thought you read, but wasn't there. Hence, I was no insulting you. > , that doesn't mean that I don't enjoy or collect > the music of pop stars. Because you do want to see them run into the ground head first :o) j/k there. > And as for a special fan club CD, I would get it, and I never said I > wouldn't. I just said that it is true that in a couple of interviews she has > made anti-boot comments Perhaps about your 200 cds? :o) > , specifically about people "paying $100" for the > unreleased album. So yes, thats "what the hell I'd know" (to paraphrase > Michelle) that it was a concern of hers. If you want, I'll dig up those > passages and post them, so that you can "be informed of her", since clearly > you missed those interviews. No my love, I didn't . That's why I brought it up in my last post. To quote myself "how Sheryl feels about people selling "special cds" for a higher price?? " No mention of bootlegs. Special edition cds. And just because there is a fan club, doesn't mean there has to be special cd's. > Next time, reading all of the post, and reading it clearly, may help you > produce a criticisim of it, rather than an old hat "you're not a *real* fan" > flame. Yet again, I did not say that you weren't a real, true, honest to goodness fan. I do not doubt your love for Sheryl or her music, nor do I care. You said originally "The world would be a whole lot nicer if some of us "true fans" would just back off and let the girl breathe." YOU used the words "true fans". I, myself, do not believe in nonsense about true fans.. perhaps you should go back and reread your own statements more carefully. > People have different views on just how much privacy people of that > nature should have, and I happen to think that they deserve a lot of > privacy. Just because you disagree doesn't make me or you bad. Just > different. And, unlike you, I was not insulting you. I never said that people should not have privacy!! HA! Since when does a damn fan club take away rights to privacy! And I did not insult you at all! Get off of the guilty conscious trip! > And I know what I want to be in life, too. A political scientist. And being > political scientist (unlike being a pop star) really does make you not a > normal person :) No comment Jason. > Oh well, good luck on your career (and don't expect me to walk up to you on > the street then, either :) ). Thank god because I would run the other way now that I know you. So, there you go. Line for line to prove to you that I did read your whole post, as I do everyone on this list. Maybe you should re-read my posts to find that everything I said was logical, and non-offesive. Perhaps I am the one who is "scandalous"? Michele ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 10:05:15 +0200 From: Andreas Wallner Subject: Re: All this fanclub business... Hi all! I think that Jason had some good points: 1. Sheryl has said several times that there's a certain amount of stress in her life, so she might not be too happy to record an extra cd each year. 2. As I understood Jason, he didn't say that a "real" fan club was a bad idea at all, only the backstage passes for fan club members. I think Sheryl (and all other artists) get an impression whether the audience liked their performance when they're onstage. It doesn't take all 3.000 fans to walk up to her and tell her how great it was. I think it is very selfish to think "I'm one of her truest fans, so I gotta tell her ..." Don't get me wrong, I would also die to meet her, get an autograph and maybe talk a little. But there's so many of us, and only one Sheryl ... If just everyone on this list got backstage passes, then there are all these contest winners, record company execs and who else gets these suckers, that would make a lot of people backstage. If I were an artist, I wouldn't really like that right before and after playing a concert. Andi ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 04:49:17 -0400 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=A7=2B=40r=20G=AE=AE=AEL?= Subject: Re: All this fanclub business... Andreas Wallner wrote: > 1. Sheryl has said several times that there's a certain amount of stress in her > life, so she might not be too happy to record an extra cd each year. What is wrong with everyone? I think if Sheryl knew, how much everyone thought and cared about her well being and fussed over the tiniest aspect of her life, she would be so flattered. But what is wrong with wanting to have a fan club, where she would have the OPTION to create a cd for her devoted fans!!! No one, especially not me, is demanding and extra cd from her, nor are we demanding ANYTHING! All I simply asked was that, if in the slight chance that someone could do something about getting a proper fan club going, would you be interested and if so, what would you want. I did not ask for a moral debate from each one of you over the political, moral, and personal aspects of a fan club! Andreas, this is not a personal attack at you. This is just me exploding over the silliness of this entire thing. I just so happen to be doing it in your reply. I am not attacking anyone tonight. AND, for the last time... backstage passes was not a part of this question. Begin to understand that in order to receive backstage passes the artist must first pre approve the people who are being let in. If there were a club, it would ***all be prearranged*** Do you think they are just going to let some joe shmoe walk around backstage at any given time during the show just because he is in the fan club! It's all organized by the managers and what not! Stop worrying about Sheryl's well being!! She is weeeeellll taken care of!!! If you don't want to be involved, that is fine! But don't try to poo on other people. We are not going to force our way into Sheryl's life or business! It would be a completely controlled thing. ayeayeaye, Michele ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 10:05:36 +0100 From: "Sam" Subject: All this fanclub business... For once Jason, i agree with you - i think it must be horrible to be in a situation where everyones hanging off what youre going to say etc etc I do feel that during the show she is performing and doing it for the fans, and after the show people should have the right just to show their appreciation - but when she gets on that bus and moves on, or when shes living her life then you leave her alone, as fans we all respect her enough to allow her to live some sense of normal life. Im in NO way having a go at anyone, cos i do have dreams, yeah it would be nice to know sheryl, have her recognise my face at concerts, get her autograph, chat to her and all that - but well, it isnt going to happen ( so i might aswell NOT pester her in the pursuit of an unacheivable dream! sam xxxx ------------------------------ End of sheryl-crew-digest V2 #143 *********************************