From: owner-sheryl-crew-digest@smoe.org (sheryl-crew-digest) To: sheryl-crew-digest@smoe.org Subject: sheryl-crew-digest V2 #23 Reply-To: sheryl-crew@smoe.org Sender: owner-sheryl-crew-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-sheryl-crew-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk sheryl-crew-digest Wednesday, March 3 1999 Volume 02 : Number 023 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: OK here is mine [Harinder_GREWAL@MCD.gov.sg] Re: Right on! (Off) [Chris Ketchum ] Re: Introduction [Chris Ketchum ] Re: The Guess Game, part II [Crowed@aol.com] just out ["The mad one" ] Re: Introduction [WatupaBaby@aol.com] ENHANCHED ? ["The mad one" ] Re: Introduction ["Takuji Shimoda" ] Re: Introduction ["Christina Clark" ] Re: Introduction ["Christina Clark" ] Sheryl and Emm? [Paul Schreiber ] Re: Sheryl and Emm? ["Christina Clark" ] Re: OK here is mine ["David Ribeiro" ] Annoyed A bit :( ["The mad one" ] I shall Believe ["The mad one" ] Re: I shall Believe ["David Ribeiro" ] Re: The Guess Game, part II ["Christina Clark" ] I shall believe ["The mad one" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 16:06:28 +0800 From: Harinder_GREWAL@MCD.gov.sg Subject: Re: OK here is mine I Shall Believe :) owner-sheryl-crew@smoe.org on 03/03/99 16:01:37 Please respond to sheryl-crew@smoe.org @ SMTP To: sheryl-crew@smoe.org @ SMTP cc: Subject: OK here is mine Ok a qoute how about this " we`re gonna leave you with this little spirtual number " it`s dead easy but hey :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 00:47:08 -0800 From: Chris Ketchum Subject: Re: Right on! (Off) At 10:55 PM 3/2/99 +0000, hezz@mindspring wrote: >PLEASE for the love of g-d take me off this list... Hey Sheryl Crew (I'll whisper so hezz doesn't hear us), apparently our secret plan has worked. Looks like this guessing game thing (Code Name: Don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out... you silly ninnie) has pushed hezz over the edge. Good job. See you at the next meeting. There will be promotions for those of you who guessed that hezz wouldn't be able to unsub without assistance. Christopher ;) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 01:58:48 -0800 From: Chris Ketchum Subject: Re: Introduction At 11:47 PM 3/2/99 -0800, you wrote: >Hey crew! >My dad is a fan too!He joined me to both concerts in 1996 and 1999!! >See ya, >Linda Hmmm...I wonder why? ;) Christopher ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 08:03:51 EST From: Crowed@aol.com Subject: Re: The Guess Game, part II is that quote from mtv unplugged before she did dyer maker? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:19:20 -0000 From: "The mad one" Subject: just out I`m just out to buy the spical edition Globe sessions:) Judith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 08:28:43 EST From: WatupaBaby@aol.com Subject: Re: Introduction Christina, I agree with you totally about Celine My choices - Dylan Clapton Liz Mary ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 15:47:38 -0000 From: "The mad one" Subject: ENHANCHED ? Ok crew I am thick but what is enhanced on the tour edition Globe sessions CD ? ------------------------------ Date: 4 Mar 99 01:27:44 +0900 From: "Takuji Shimoda" Subject: Re: Introduction Well, I can understand why you wanna put the latter names as just "a singer" who don't write their own songs, because I agree that they are at their best when singing. But all of them DO write the wongs themselves, and especially Mariah has written most of her songs from the start. Anyway Rod(whom I like far better than Clapton) and Mariah are one of my favorite artists(though not preferred than Sheryl). I may be placing too much priority on singing and voices, but I believe they are very important factors for popular music. All of my favorite artists have great voices - Daryl Hall John Oates, Paul Young, Steve Winwood, Chris Isaak to name a few. One of the conditions, I think, which needs to be cleared to be called "great artist" is if they sound great with acoustic sets or without instrumentals(just voices). Which is why my all-time favorite singer is Eddi Reader. While that's the fact, I DO understand your point of view. Sheryl is no doubt the best female artist I've ever known(and the artist whose CDs I have most) and I think the artistry she has is much more higher than Celine-type "artist" because, as you pointed out, she can not only sing, but also write great songs, play multi-instrumentals, produce herself(and other artists too), and express her point of view in the public to influence her fans. I don't think many artists can do these themselves as good as Sheryl does. So naturally I can not believe people putting Sheryl in the same "diva" status as Celine Dion. >On Tue, 2 Mar 1999, Christina Clark wrote: > >> Other examples are: Dylan vs Michael Bolton? >> Clapton vs Rod Stewart? >> Liz Phair vs Mariah Carey? >> Which are the "musicians" You choose. >> What does everyone think of my point of view? >> >> Christina >i totally agree with what you said. although people like Mariah Carey and >Celine obviously have a talent in terms of their vocal abilities i really >don't have any respect for them as artists like i do for Sheryl and some >of my other favorites like Liz Phair, Garbage and Beck- you >know, people who actually write their own music or do something totally >different with music that takes real creativity and an artistic sense I >guess. well that's just my opinion, i thought it was cool that you >mentioned Liz phair b/c she paved the way for so many female musicians >like Alanis Morisette to express their angry, explicit and up until >then "unfemale" side. alanis has had huge success and liz recently opened >up for Alanis on some US tour dates. isn't that ironic? > >Jen > Takuji ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 12:40:12 -0500 From: "Christina Clark" Subject: Re: Introduction I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH STEVE WINWOOD, HE WRITES, SINGS AND IS A MULTI INSTUMENTALIST HIMSELF. - -----Original Message----- From: Takuji Shimoda To: sheryl-crew@smoe.org Date: March 3, 1999 11:41 AM Subject: Re: Introduction >Well, I can understand why you wanna put the latter names as just "a >singer" who don't write their own songs, because I agree that they are at >their best when singing. But all of them DO write the wongs themselves, and >especially Mariah has written most of her songs from the start. > >Anyway Rod(whom I like far better than Clapton) and Mariah are one of my >favorite artists(though not preferred than Sheryl). I may be placing too >much priority on singing and voices, but I believe they are very important >factors for popular music. All of my favorite artists have great voices - >Daryl Hall John Oates, Paul Young, Steve Winwood, Chris Isaak to name a >few. One of the conditions, I think, which needs to be cleared to be called >"great artist" is if they sound great with acoustic sets or without >instrumentals(just voices). Which is why my all-time favorite singer is >Eddi Reader. > >While that's the fact, I DO understand your point of view. >Sheryl is no doubt the best female artist I've ever known(and the artist >whose CDs I have most) and I think the artistry she has is much more higher >than Celine-type "artist" because, as you pointed out, she can not only >sing, but also write great songs, play multi-instrumentals, produce >herself(and other artists too), and express her point of view in the public >to influence her fans. I don't think many artists can do these themselves >as good as Sheryl does. > >So naturally I can not believe people putting Sheryl in the same "diva" >status as Celine Dion. > >>On Tue, 2 Mar 1999, Christina Clark wrote: >> >>> Other examples are: Dylan vs Michael Bolton? >>> Clapton vs Rod Stewart? >>> Liz Phair vs Mariah Carey? >>> Which are the "musicians" You choose. >>> What does everyone think of my point of view? >>> >>> Christina > >>i totally agree with what you said. although people like Mariah Carey and >>Celine obviously have a talent in terms of their vocal abilities i really >>don't have any respect for them as artists like i do for Sheryl and some >>of my other favorites like Liz Phair, Garbage and Beck- you >>know, people who actually write their own music or do something totally >>different with music that takes real creativity and an artistic sense I >>guess. well that's just my opinion, i thought it was cool that you >>mentioned Liz phair b/c she paved the way for so many female musicians >>like Alanis Morisette to express their angry, explicit and up until >>then "unfemale" side. alanis has had huge success and liz recently opened >>up for Alanis on some US tour dates. isn't that ironic? >> >>Jen >> > > > >Takuji > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 12:45:15 -0500 From: "Christina Clark" Subject: Re: Introduction Michael, I was very lucky to get to meet Liz and get her autograph and a picture with her this summer, she is so nice! She is so tiny! Christina - -----Original Message----- From: Michael Worrell To: sheryl-crew@smoe.org Date: March 3, 1999 1:52 AM Subject: Re: Introduction > > >> >>Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 21:18:20 -0500 >>From: "Christina Clark" >>Subject: Re: Introduction > >>She >>says Sheryl can't sing and she has no talent, she says the same thing about >>Liz Phair. THis is how I think regarding musical talent: I think someone >>like Celine Dion who has a gorgeous voice, has a gorgeous voice, that's it, >>she was born with that, she can't help it. Whereas someone like SHeryl who >>has worked her whole life, learned music (in University), she's a multi >>instumentalist, she writes all her own music, and her voice is getting >>better every day. I consider this a musician, it's the same with Liz >Phair, >>someone like Celine is a phenomenon. All she is is a voice, she doesn't >>write, or play anything. So from my stand point Sheryl is a musician, >>Celine is not. >>Other examples are: Dylan vs Michael Bolton? >> Clapton vs Rod Stewart? >> Liz Phair vs Mariah Carey? >>Which are the "musicians" You choose. >>What does everyone think of my point of view? > > > Well, from my cockeyed perspective, you're high up on the ladder of >evolution, considering that you've accepted Liz Phair as a musician and >considerable talent. As for the comparison of Mariah Carey...there is >none. This so-called 'diva' ain't worth a pitcher of warm spit IMO. Frankly, >I'd not open an eyelid to get free backstage passes and top-notch tickets of >hers. On the other hand, I'd damned near kill to get the aforementioned >amenities for a Liz Phair concert. > The matter of Eric Clapton is a sensitive one! After all, he's of >seminal importance to the history of one musician which this list covers. >^_^ > Going to Dylan v. Bolton, it's two sides of the same 'Aren't you dead >yet?' coin. Couldn't care for either one of 'em; Dylan's sole saving grace >(and not good enough at that) is his part in 'Mississippi'. Bolton's just >like...oh I dunno... > > For closers, I'd say your point of view is pretty good! Both Liz Phair >and Sheryl Crow rank up top on my very short list of acceptable musicians, >with no equals or competitors in sight. Hang tough; parents aren't always >right about everything. > > The previous statements were brought to you by the probably deranged >mind of: > > Michael Worrell > > Take no note of their probable rampant idiocy. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:01:35 -0500 From: Paul Schreiber Subject: Sheryl and Emm? anyone else here an Emm Gryner fan? (hi josh) I generally dislike comparisons, because they're usually superficial or flawed, so this one may be too. With that said... Both Sheryl and Emm write their own songs. They both play multiple instruments -- Emm played eight on Public; Sheryl plays piano, guitar, banjo and probably a few others. They both produce their own albums. They're both female. In terms of how they sound, I think they're musically similar; they mesh rock and pop. It's not just poppy stuff though -- they can both really *rock*. I mean in the rock music sense, not in the "she rocks" sense. Where Sheryl has "My Favourite Mistake," Emm has "Summerlong"; both more pop-sounding. TGTN is very much a rock song; so is Emm's "Hello Aquarius." thoughts? Paul shad 96c / 3A CS / mac activist / eda / fumbler fan of / jewel / sophie b. / sarah slean / steve poltz / emm gryner / / x-files / buffy / dawson's creek / habs / bills / 49ers / t h i n k d i f f e r e n t. We're a couple of nice guys ... which stopped being a desirable character trait about fifty years ago. - -- Dawson Leary, "Dawson's Creek" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:18:32 -0500 From: "Christina Clark" Subject: Re: Sheryl and Emm? Another similarity, Emm sings "hello Aquarius" and Sheryl is an Aquarian! Oh and instruments Sheryl plays are acoustic, electric guitar, bass, accordian, harmonica, piano, hammond B3 organ (her instrument of choice since she was 15)---others? who knows. Christina - -----Original Message----- From: Paul Schreiber To: Sheryl Crew Date: March 3, 1999 1:04 PM Subject: Sheryl and Emm? >anyone else here an Emm Gryner fan? (hi josh) > >I generally dislike comparisons, because they're usually superficial or >flawed, so this one may be too. With that said... > >Both Sheryl and Emm write their own songs. They both play multiple >instruments -- Emm played eight on Public; Sheryl plays piano, guitar, >banjo and probably a few others. They both produce their own albums. >They're both female. > >In terms of how they sound, I think they're musically similar; they mesh >rock and pop. It's not just poppy stuff though -- they can both really >*rock*. I mean in the rock music sense, not in the "she rocks" sense. >Where Sheryl has "My Favourite Mistake," Emm has "Summerlong"; both more >pop-sounding. TGTN is very much a rock song; so is Emm's "Hello Aquarius." > >thoughts? > >Paul > > shad 96c / 3A CS / mac activist / eda / fumbler >fan of / jewel / sophie b. / sarah slean / steve poltz / emm gryner / > / x-files / buffy / dawson's creek / habs / bills / 49ers / > > t h i n k d i f f e r e n t. > >We're a couple of nice guys ... which stopped being a desirable character >trait about fifty years ago. >-- Dawson Leary, "Dawson's Creek" > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 10:22:31 PST From: "David Ribeiro" Subject: Re: OK here is mine >Ok a qoute how about this " we`re gonna leave you with this little spirtual >number " it`s dead easy but hey :) and then she laughs.... I Shall Believe, my favorite song ever. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 18:30:51 -0000 From: "The mad one" Subject: Annoyed A bit :( I have just relised that you get the Muliti Media thing with the Tour Edition CD And I had just received one from America as well ( But you do get the MFM video so Hey ) Judith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 18:38:12 -0000 From: "The mad one" Subject: I shall Believe You`ve got to admit Though the Laugh Is DEAD EViL I mean it`s funny But I must Say that is one of My Favorite Live Versions :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 11:05:41 PST From: "David Ribeiro" Subject: Re: I shall Believe The laugh sure is evil, but I love it. I hate the version of I Shall Believe live from Chicago, well I love it, what I hate is that they made it fade away in the end in the best part, when she's going off, you know ? Yeah, you do, when she's just going crazy..... boom, they fade it away, bastards. Ah, but what a great song... "That not everything is gonna be the way you think it ought to be, seems like every time I try to make it right it all comes down on me, please say honestly ......." ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 14:19:45 -0500 From: "Christina Clark" Subject: Re: The Guess Game, part II "Where's Van Morrison when you need him" This was said in the middle of Leaving Las Vegas during a concert in Dublin Ireland in 1997 I believe. Christina - -----Original Message----- From: Harinder_GREWAL@MCD.gov.sg To: sheryl-crew@smoe.org Date: March 2, 1999 11:43 PM Subject: Re: The Guess Game, part II > >Right. Katie guessed it too, Home single, from WXRT Chicago... > >How about "Where's Van Morrison when you need him?" >I dont know the answer to this one, actually :) I just know where the concert >was, not what song this line is before... > > > > > > >owner-sheryl-crew@smoe.org on 03/03/99 00:24:28 >Please respond to sheryl-crew@smoe.org @ SMTP >To: sheryl-crew@smoe.org @ SMTP >cc: >Subject: Re: The Guess Game, part II > > > >>"Thanks a lot!!! You didnt really think I was gonna leave without >playing the >>accordian, didja?" > >Strong enough, from one import single I forget which one, anyway, live >from Chicago > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 19:10:39 -0000 From: "The mad one" Subject: I shall believe That best part on it I feel is when She gets all breathless it`s really good , I also like the No-one said it would be easy bit * This is from a movie called Kalifornia, er...yeah a very violent little ditty it probably actually made very excellent rental * :) ------------------------------ End of sheryl-crew-digest V2 #23 ********************************