From: owner-sheryl-crew-digest@smoe.org (sheryl-crew-digest) To: sheryl-crew-digest@smoe.org Subject: sheryl-crew-digest V2 #155 Reply-To: sheryl-crew@smoe.org Sender: owner-sheryl-crew-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-sheryl-crew-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk sheryl-crew-digest Sunday, May 16 1999 Volume 02 : Number 155 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE:Sheryl in Portugal ["David M" ] Sheryl In Australia ["David M" ] Re: Fave Sheryl Album ["Richard Stewart" ] Re: Sheryl In Australia ["Richard Stewart" ] Re: Interested in trading? [FadedSign@aol.com] Re: even more on web -tshirt ["Christina Clark" ] Re: even more on web -tshirt ["Christian Cambray" ] Sheryl the persuader ["Christina Clark" ] Re: Sheryl In Australia ["J. O' Connor" ] Fwd: sheryl on tv tonight [crowfan@webtv.net (crowfan .)] CNN ["Not So Manic Now" ] Re: Fave Sheryl Album [domf@excite.com] Sheryl On E! [crowfan@webtv.net (crowfan .)] Off--Sheryl Fan forum...T-shirt stuff [brooke james ] Re: sheryl on tv tonight [DeeofOz@aol.com] Re: Sheryl On E! [XMystery79@aol.com] [BST] Adam Engst on Mailing Lists [Paul Schreiber Subject: RE:Sheryl in Portugal - ---------------------------------------------- Sheryl knew you were moving back soon, so she had to get over to Portugal so that you don't miss her too much! hahahahaha!! I wish she was coming to Australia soon. Does anyone in the crew know if and when she may be coming down under??? Thanks all! David M. >Hello everyone, > >I'm back on the list and all moved back in Europe. It was rmored Sheryl's >supposed to be in Lisbon, Portugal, June 9th, listed on the Blitz >(entertainment newspaper). I'll let you know if it's confirmed. > > >David > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > _____________________________________________ Free email with personality! Over 200 domains! http://www.MyOwnEmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 6:51:50 -0600 From: "David M" Subject: Sheryl In Australia Hey Crewsters! I was wondering if any of the crew knows if Sheryl was headed down here to Australia for her Globe Sessions Tour? I would love to go and see her, but I haven't heard anything as yet. Can anyone help me out? I would appreciate it! Thanks. David M "Sheryl Crow Framed" http://www.zip.com.au/~mayor/sheryl _____________________________________________ Free email with personality! Over 200 domains! http://www.MyOwnEmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 13:39:44 +0100 From: "Richard Stewart" Subject: Re: Fave Sheryl Album my favourite would have to be her third album, "the globe sessions", as it is a happy album. however Sheryl crow the second album is also extremely good, 'if it makes you happy' has got to be the best song ever. anyway hope to hear your opinion rick p.s do you know where I could find lyrics for the third album on the net/. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 13:42:12 +0100 From: "Richard Stewart" Subject: Re: Sheryl In Australia I'm new here so if you know anyone else from northern ireland who loves Sheryl, could you mail me their address's thanx rick p.s I missed Sheryl when she came to the UK, I was heart-broken!! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 13:05:40 EDT From: FadedSign@aol.com Subject: Re: Interested in trading? Hi, I also would like to trade, however, i dont have any bootlegs. what i can offer is almost ANY cd-r games, application, or anything like that. I have hundreds of pc games and about as many applications, like windows98, windows 2000 (beta version) and probably anything else you can ever want. Of course, I would love to have some sheryl shows, but for now this is what i can offer. If anyone is interested and would like to know more, please email me. thanks, Keith ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 13:30:02 -0400 From: "Christina Clark" Subject: Re: even more on web -tshirt I really like this idea, would someone, like Lisa be able to try to get permission from somebody to use the picture? Maybe if she called Universal or something and asked, that couldn't hurt could it? Christina - -----Original Message----- From: Sherylcrew@aol.com To: sheryl-crew@smoe.org Date: May 14, 1999 3:37 PM Subject: even more on web -tshirt >hi, > ok >i have now even put a finished idea for the shirt on >ell me what you think >One thing, the pic on front would be same but chalk DRAWN but the photo gives >the idea >feedback would be nice >so: > > t-shirt >http://members.aol.com/libraxx13 > >TOM. > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 10:44:37 PDT From: "Christian Cambray" Subject: Re: even more on web -tshirt That's a good idea, but isn't Lisa on vacation? I though she was going to be gone for two weeks... Anyway, there are some that want their shirts ready by the time the Lilith Fair goes through their city. Are we going to have enough time to ship it to them? But putting a picture with permission is a good idea on the shirt is a good idea. Christian P.S. Is anyone going to the Lilith Fair in San Diego? - ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Christina Clark" Reply-To: sheryl-crew@smoe.org To: Subject: Re: even more on web -tshirt Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 13:30:02 -0400 I really like this idea, would someone, like Lisa be able to try to get permission from somebody to use the picture? Maybe if she called Universal or something and asked, that couldn't hurt could it? Christina - -----Original Message----- From: Sherylcrew@aol.com To: sheryl-crew@smoe.org Date: May 14, 1999 3:37 PM Subject: even more on web -tshirt >hi, > ok >i have now even put a finished idea for the shirt on >ell me what you think >One thing, the pic on front would be same but chalk DRAWN but the photo gives >the idea >feedback would be nice >so: > > t-shirt >http://members.aol.com/libraxx13 > >TOM. > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 14:01:09 -0400 From: "Christina Clark" Subject: Sheryl the persuader Hey Crew, I was just reading something, and for all of you who like Hole ( like me), they have just been added to, at least, 5 Lilith Fair dates. Why? Because Courtney's new pal Sheryl Crow, persuaded and convinced her to join, cool eh? I hope they come to Toronto, then I'll see them 2ce this summer! I just found it interesting. Christina ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 14:31:00 +0100 From: "J. O' Connor" Subject: Re: Sheryl In Australia That would be me. Louis - -----Original Message----- From: Richard Stewart To: sheryl-crew@smoe.org Date: Saturday, May 15, 1999 1:44 PM Subject: Re: Sheryl In Australia >I'm new here so if you know anyone else from northern ireland who loves >Sheryl, could you mail me their address's >thanx >rick > >p.s I missed Sheryl when she came to the UK, I was heart-broken!! > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 17:21:19 -0500 (CDT) From: crowfan@webtv.net (crowfan .) Subject: Fwd: sheryl on tv tonight - --WebTV-Mail-322704162-4122 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit This was sent to me so I figured I would send it on to ya'll... angie ============================ Remember Kids Sheryl Rocks!!! ============================ - --WebTV-Mail-322704162-4122 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from mailsorter-101-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.97) by postoffice-111.bryant.webtv.net; Sat, 15 May 1999 15:18:08 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (wya-oe10.hotmail.com [207.82.253.75]) by mailsorter-101-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.graham.14Aug97) with SMTP id PAA08144 for ; Sat, 15 May 1999 15:18:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 75076 invoked by uid 0); 15 May 1999 22:19:41 -0000 Message-ID: <19990515221941.75075.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 198.99.244.244 by wy1lg.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 15 May 1999 15:19:41 PDT X-Originating-IP: [198.99.244.244] From: "BETH KRAWCZYK" To: crowfan@webtv.net Subject: sheryl on tv tonight Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 15:19:41 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; Hi again, I don't know if you saw, but I just saw on rockontv.com that they are doing a segment on Sheryl on CNN World Beat, which is on tonight at midnight and tomorrow at 3:30 pm. I think those times are eastern, so you should probably check tvguide.com, which is what I'm about to go do right now!! :) Later, Beth "Man, you oughta finish what you started You can't leave me here alive" - Jakob Dylan "'And I will be coming back for you' is all I heard" - -Sheryl Crow _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com - --WebTV-Mail-322704162-4122-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 23:25:24 +0100 From: "Not So Manic Now" Subject: CNN Hi I saw The Cnn interview it was about 10mins long and it was quite good it showed excerpts from Sheryls Video and A live show which I do not know Soz Not So Manic Now ************************************************************************** So Sheryl what are you going to do next ? well I`m going to learn to cook ( cute english Accent ) ********************************************************************* owner of the unique SHERYL CROW OUTLOOK http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palace/8589/TheSherylCro.index.html and the pointless but fun all the same " fav Sheryl Crow song " http://www.freevote.com/booth/judithbutlersc ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 15:58:01 PDT From: domf@excite.com Subject: Re: Fave Sheryl Album On Sat, 15 May 1999 13:03:49 +0800, Aniesa wrote: > > My fave album would be her second one. > That album proves that TNMC's success is no fluke. > There seems to be less pressure for her to perform as compared to GS. > > > PS I'm keeping my fingers crossed that Sheryl will drop by in Singapore for > her third set here. > > ------------------------------------------------------- > At 09:14 11/05/99 -0700, you wrote: > > SHERYL CROW ALBUM > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Orionxx122@aol.com > >To: sheryl-crew@smoe.org > >Date: Monday, May 10, 1999 12:59 PM > >Subject: Fave Sheryl Album > > > > > >>I am doing a survey......what is your favourite Sheryl Album??? > >> > >>Is it: > >>1. Tuesday Night Music Club > >>2. Sheryl Crow > >>3. The Globe Sessions > >> > >> > >>Get your votes in soon! > >> > >>Thanx, > >>Resh > > > >---------------------------------------------------- My Favorite album is The Globe Sessions Dominic Remember - "If you don't like Crow - You Blow" > _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 18:04:02 -0500 (CDT) From: crowfan@webtv.net (crowfan .) Subject: Sheryl On E! Hey there all, Well i was watching Joan and Melissa Rivers little show on howthey say how bad ppl dress at award shows and they did sheryl! Joan said that she didn't like her outfit, not the one she performed in but the one that she showd up in, then this other guy said that it looked like her boobs were getting crushed but he said that she fits the trind well! So Joan didn't like it but one of the guys did! Well just thought that I would tell every one. it was only about 30 sec but i think that it is going to be reaird sometime tonight. so check your listings.. angie ============================ Remember Kids Sheryl Rocks!!! ============================ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 20:45:41 -0400 From: brooke james Subject: Off--Sheryl Fan forum...T-shirt stuff Has anyone else tried to go into the fanforum at the Official site today?? For some reason it isn't working and I was wondering if anybody else has run into this same problem. It said that the host was unknown or something.........???........ Hmmmm......I wonder what's going on!?! Oh yeah, I have started working on a design for the shirt. I will tell ya all how it turns out! Don't forget to watch CNN tonight!!! (_8(|) --doh!! Brooke ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 20:39:04 EDT From: DeeofOz@aol.com Subject: Re: sheryl on tv tonight In a message dated 5/15/99 5:22:47 PM Central Daylight Time, crowfan@webtv.net writes: > "'And I will be coming back for you' is all I heard" > -Sheryl Crow This sounds familiar... does anyone know where it came from? Dee ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 01:25:19 EDT From: XMystery79@aol.com Subject: Re: Sheryl On E! Aargh I HATE joan rivers, mostly for her vicous attacks against X-files costar Gillian Anderson, and her horrid personality. I can't stand how she makes fun of people for a living, newsflash Joan, you aren't that great yourself! I wish e would can that old bag. As for Hole joining lilith fair, wow. I enjoyed their 2nd cd, here's hoping Courtney doesn't clash w/ any of the other artists backstage, LOL. She's not exactly known for being polite, so naturally i was surprised to hear she was suppsed to be friends w/ Sheryl, but it's actually kinda cool now that I think about it. And you people with the preorder tix are making me jealous, LOL. I don't have the $$ to preorder mine so i have to wait until June 5 to get mine..Lucky. Finally, I'm glad to see the t-shirt postings have gone down a little. It's a good idea, but it got kind of confusing at times w/ so many different ideas being thrown around all at once. I gotta say I really like michele's sig quote "You Dream it then you do it" It's really insperiational (and im not just saying that to make her happy, lol). I also like the IMYH quote as well. Ok enough from me, here's hoping to a peaceful list this week :) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 22:15:00 -0700 From: Paul Schreiber Subject: [BST] Adam Engst on Mailing Lists Mailing List Manners 101 - ------------------------ by Adam C. Engst It's no secret that I'm a huge fan of mailing lists. I both subscribe to and operate a number of lists on many topics, and I spend much of my day communicating professionally and personally in these discussion groups. And yet, I'm troubled by behaviors I see in most lists. Many people pay little attention to spelling, grammar, and the basic composition of their messages, post pointless notes, and bulk up replies by quoting complete originals and appending huge signatures. How you write in email - especially in public places like mailing lists - affects how other people regard you, your opinions, and your knowledge. Think of it this way: if mailing list messages were a reflection of personal hygiene, you don't want to come across to others like you need a shower, clean clothes, and a haircut. Here then are the main behaviors that I would encourage for all mailing list participants. If you're as bothered by the problems in mailing lists as I am, feel free to refer others to this article for advice. You can link to it permanently at this URL: **Write Carefully** -- I realize that I risk sounding like a pedant here, but in cases like this, I don't care. Writing skills in the general Internet populace stink, which means you can make yourself look even more intelligent and thoughtful than you are by writing well. Good writing isn't difficult, and requires only grammatical sentences and proper spelling. You don't need to be a professional writer or be able to make words flow trippingly off the tongue. You should also follow a few basic rules when writing email: * Don't use all capital letters for more than a word. * Insert a blank line between paragraphs. * Surround URLs with angle brackets to avoid problems at line breaks. * Don't use text styles (like bold or italic) or text colors in mailing list messages, since many people won't see them and may even see HTML tags instead. **Quote Sparingly** -- One of my peeves with mailing lists is that people seldom delete unnecessary quoted text in their replies, with the worst being people who reply to a message in a digest and quote the entire digest. Quoting sparingly does require manual work, since most email programs automatically quote the original message in replies. But failing to edit the original wastes everyone's time and bandwidth. In some email programs, you can select some text in the original message, press a keyboard shortcut, and have only that text appear quoted in the reply. (Eudora for the Macintosh does this with its Command-Shift-R shortcut.) Other email programs assume that replying with some original text selected means you want to quote only that text. Especially problematic are email programs that quote an original message by appending it to the bottom of the reply with no quote marks in front of each line. That prevents inline replies, since there's no easy way to differentiate original and new text, so users of those programs tend to leave the entire original hanging off the end of the reply. That's fine in private messages, but in mail destined for a list, it's just sloppy. Unfortunately, the only solution to this problem is to switch to a different email program **Avoid Junk Messages** -- Another complaint about people's behavior on mailing lists revolves around "junk" messages. I'm not talking about spam, since spammers aren't constructive members of a mailing list. Instead, junk messages fall into the following categories: * Unsubscribe messages mistakenly sent by subscribers who didn't read (or locate) the instructions for leaving the list. Every list goes to lengths to simplify the process of signing off, and yet a large number of people still send unsubscribe messages to the list itself. Read and save the welcome message you receive when you subscribe to a list, then refer to it when you want to unsubscribe. * Me-too posts sent by well-meaning list members replying only to convey that they agree with a message or had a similar experience. A Web-based poll is a better way to take votes on a topic. * Welcome messages that appear when someone new joins the list. No one on a mailing list needs to read "Glad to have you on the list!" from everyone; send such messages to the new member in private mail. * Congratulation messages that appear after a member of the list has mentioned some milestone or personal triumph. Again, send these in private email. The moral of the story is simple: Avoid sending junk messages to a list. They're easy to identify as you type - just ask yourself if the message would be of interest to the majority of the mailing list. If not, that doesn't mean your message is worthless: the original sender might appreciate being welcomed or congratulated via private email. **Write Descriptive Subjects** -- When you receive messages from a mailing list, the first thing you see is the subject line. Which of these subject lines would you rather see on a mailing list devoted to, say, tropical fish? > wondering > Recommendations for fish that can live with cichlids Unless your telepathic powers are better than mine, the first subject line tells you nothing. So, the first rule of subject lines is to make them descriptive. Another problem affects primarily digest readers. They see an interesting message and want to reply, but when they do so, their email program uses the subject line of the digest (Tropical Fish Digest #251) rather than the subject of the message. That leads to messages being sent to the list with useless subject lines, since the title of the digest is rarely descriptive. There's no good solution to this problem, although two mediocre workarounds exist. * Copy the subject line from the message to which you're replying and paste it into your reply's subject line, prefixing it with "Re:". This is effort well spent. * Have the digest sent as a MIME digest and use an email program like Eudora Pro that can separate the digest into individual messages in a mailbox. The problem goes away then, but, for some people, so does the point of receiving the digest version of a list. Sometimes you want to reply to a message but change the topic of discussion. When you do that, you should change the subject line; if you don't, people following the thread will be confused when your message doesn't match its subject. Some people (and some programs) indicate when they've changed a subject line by appending "(was )" to the new subject. That's acceptable but results in long and unwieldy subject lines that work badly in list archives. On the other side are people who change the subject lines on every message they send. That's equally problematic, since it prevents list members from reading (or sorting) messages that are related by a shared subject line. If you create descriptive subjects, maintain the correct subjects if you're a digest reader, and change subjects only when appropriate, you'll be well on your way to being admired as a paragon of list etiquette. **Use Short Signatures** -- My final gripe about mailing list postings is that many people have long signatures at the end of their messages. Email signatures are useful, but mailing list signatures should be kept to a minimum. This is especially true for lists that have digests because the signatures can take up a significant portion of the digest. For instance, messages with long signatures sent to the moderated Info-Mac Digest are rejected with a note asking the person to resend with a shorter signature. Many email programs let you switch between multiple signatures, but you have to remember to do so for each message. There's a trick you can use in Eudora Pro (but not Eudora Light) to switch signatures automatically when you're replying to messages that come from mailing lists. Follow these steps: 1) In the Signatures window create a shortened signature for use with mailing lists called "Short signature." Your name, affiliation, email address, and URL are all that is essential. 2) In the Personalities settings panel, create a personality called "Mailing list signature." Fill in the Real Name and Return Address fields, and select the "Send mail whenever sends are done" checkbox. All the other fields can be blank, and the checkboxes related to checking mail should be deselected. 3) Switch to the Personality Extras settings panel, leave the Stationery pop-up menu set to None, and choose Short signature from the "Signature when not using stationery" pop-up menu. Click OK to save your personality settings. 4) Open the Filters window. In filters that move messages from mailing lists into specific mailboxes, add a Make Personality action, and from the Personality pop-up menu, choose "Mailing list signature." You've created a signature for use with mailing lists, connected it with a specific personality that differs from your dominant personality only in the default signature setting, then created a filter that automatically assigns that personality to incoming messages from mailing lists. Now, whenever you reply to a message from a mailing list, Eudora Pro knows to use your mailing list personality and thus your mailing list signature. You'll still have to choose your mailing list signature manually when sending a new message to a list, but all replies will use it automatically. **Ridin' that High Horse** -- I freely admit that there's nothing new in this article (well, except maybe the Eudora tip above). These recommendations have been floating around the Internet as long as there has been an Internet. The sad fact is, though, that mailing list manners haven't improved with time. So why can I complain? Two reasons. First, I think it's important that this topic, old as it is, remains in the public eye. Second, I do the work every day to create a mailing list that tries to conform to all the recommendations above. In TidBITS Talk, I do the following to every message: * Basic editing and spell checking, which is significantly eased by Eudora Pro 4.2's inline spell checker. I also add blank lines between paragraphs, add angle brackets to URLs, and remove styled text. * Eliminate unnecessary original text in replies. This task is quite easy, since wholesale deletions take little time. * Reject junk messages. Most mailing lists aren't moderated, but eliminating junk messages, or even multiple identical answers to the same question, is a major advantage of moderation. * Normalize subject lines. I try to keep similar messages in threads and break new thoughts out into new threads. This work also improves the quality and coherence of our archive database. * Signature pruning. Since I'm already editing messages, it's little extra work to trim signatures to their essentials. I do all this work because I think it makes for a far better list experience, and highly positive feedback from the members of the TidBITS Talk list confirms this. Another advantage is that this work tends to keep the list volume down, since I'm less likely to post messages that require a lot of work to clean up. I'm not trying to be smug - I love it when I can post submissions to TidBITS Talk without a lick of work. I also don't expect most other people who run mailing lists to expend this level of effort (though I wouldn't complain if some did). Instead, my goal here is to educate people who participate in mailing lists, since only by improving our list manners will mailing lists continue to become increasingly pleasant and useful. ------------------------------ End of sheryl-crew-digest V2 #155 *********************************