From: owner-sheryl-crew-digest@smoe.org (sheryl-crew-digest) To: sheryl-crew-digest@smoe.org Subject: sheryl-crew-digest V2 #149 Reply-To: sheryl-crew@smoe.org Sender: owner-sheryl-crew-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-sheryl-crew-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk sheryl-crew-digest Wednesday, May 12 1999 Volume 02 : Number 149 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: T-shirts [brooke james ] Re: sheryl-crew-digest V2 #148 [Jayjen72@aol.com] My Crow Line [domf@excite.com] Re: sheryl-crew-digest V2 #148 [Surfacin07@aol.com] Sheryl Crew T-Shirts!! [domf@excite.com] Re: sheryl-crew-digest V2 #148 ["Christian Cambray" ] Re: new to the fan club ["Christina Clark" ] Re: My Crow Line ["C. Dye" ] Sheryl T-Shirts ["Ricardo Martin Cabrera" ] Beautiful Stranger & T-shirt [Harinder_GREWAL@MCD.gov.sg] Fairly new member & Lilith Tix. [mindy pucci ] Re: Sheryl Crew CD's [ashley falsafi ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 18:54:28 -0400 From: brooke james Subject: Re: T-shirts Someone on this list uses this quote: "If you don't like Crow, you Blow!" I personally like this quote a lot, I think it's cute! Maybe we could use this as a little tag line or something for the shirt?? BUT--gotta make sure it's okay w/ whoever it is that says this. :0) Just a thought! Brooke ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 19:44:44 EDT From: Jayjen72@aol.com Subject: Re: sheryl-crew-digest V2 #148 Re: Presale tickets for Liltih Can anyone please tell me how to get the presale tickets? Please, Please. Thanks. Jen ;o) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 16:46:32 PDT From: domf@excite.com Subject: My Crow Line On Wed, 12 May 1999 18:54:28 -0400, brooke james wrote: > Someone on this list uses this quote: > "If you don't like Crow, you Blow!" > > I personally like this quote a lot, I think it's cute! > Maybe we could use this as a little tag line or something for the shirt?? > BUT--gotta make sure it's okay w/ whoever it is that says this. :0) > > Just a thought! > Brooke > ___________________________________________________________ Hi Brooke My name is Dominic and I am the author to the line "If you don't like Crow - You Blow" I would be happy to see my line in print, on T-Shirts or anything else. Good luck in whatever is created with my tagline. Until Next Time, Dominic ---- and Remember "If you don't like Crow - You Blow! _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 19:50:57 EDT From: Surfacin07@aol.com Subject: Re: sheryl-crew-digest V2 #148 www.ticketmaster.com BUT YOU HAVE TO BUY THE LILITH CD"S FIRST ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 16:57:05 PDT From: domf@excite.com Subject: Sheryl Crew T-Shirts!! It's Dominic I think the Sheryl Crew T-Shirt is a great idea. I'd buy one. I'd like to add another T-Shirt to my collection that I got at the concert not too long ago. "If you don't like Crow - You Blow!!" _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 17:02:48 PDT From: "Christian Cambray" Subject: Re: sheryl-crew-digest V2 #148 Hello Jen, For pre-sale tickets you have to buy the Lilith Fair CD's. For more info go to this address. http://www.ticketmaster.com/flipside/lilith2/ Take Care, Christian - ----Original Message Follows---- From: Jayjen72@aol.com Reply-To: sheryl-crew@smoe.org To: sheryl-crew@smoe.org Subject: Re: sheryl-crew-digest V2 #148 Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 19:44:44 EDT Re: Presale tickets for Liltih Can anyone please tell me how to get the presale tickets? Please, Please. Thanks. Jen ;o) _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 21:26:23 -0400 From: "Christina Clark" Subject: Re: sheryl crew t-shirts I am all for the t-shirts! I think it is a great idea. If we put a lot of work into them (eg. a good design and colours) then maybe we'll get a lot of attention. Wouldn't it be cool if we became an official mailing list? Christina - -----Original Message----- From: Libraxx13@aol.com To: sheryl-crew@smoe.org Date: May 12, 1999 7:30 AM Subject: sheryl crew t-shirts >hello?? > only 6 members of the crew have mentioned anything bout the t-shirts >only 5 of them said 'yes' >there are over 313 of you out there >so come on >just write a 10 second e-mail saying if you like the idea or not >If we dont get more responses we cant really go ahead >TOM. > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 21:28:09 -0400 From: "Christina Clark" Subject: Re: new to the fan club sorry about this second mail, but how about writing something like, "member's only" on the back? Christina - -----Original Message----- From: Em481@aol.com To: sheryl-crew@smoe.org Date: May 11, 1999 8:28 PM Subject: new to the fan club >Hi Crew, > I'm new to the fanclub, so I'm not sure if I'm doing this right. If >you guys get this, could you please respond so I know that I'm doing it >right. First of all, I was watching VH1 yesterday and discovered that Sheryl >is co-headlining Lilith! I was so excited. This means that she will be in >almost every city including Boston! I just saw her one week ago, and I >waited for her by her bus, but she ended up coming out a different door and >my friends got to meet her. Anyway, I'm not quite sure exactly what this >fanclub is. All I know is that I'm a huge fan of Sheryl and I absolutely >love her and have for four years. Anyway, please respond. >-Emily > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 21:30:45 -0400 From: "C. Dye" Subject: Re: My Crow Line >On Wed, 12 May 1999 18:54:28 -0400, brooke james wrote: > >> Someone on this list uses this quote: >> "If you don't like Crow, you Blow!" >> >> I personally like this quote a lot, I think it's cute! >> Maybe we could use this as a little tag line or something for the shirt?? >> BUT--gotta make sure it's okay w/ whoever it is that says this. :0) >> >> Just a thought! >> Brooke >> ___________________________________________________________ > >Hi Brooke > >My name is Dominic and I am the author to the line >"If you don't like Crow - You Blow" >I would be happy to see my line in print, on T-Shirts or anything else. Good >luck in whatever is created with my tagline. > >Until Next Time, > >Dominic ---- and Remember "If you don't like Crow - You Blow! > THAT'S AWESOME!!!!! Would be great on the T's!!! Cammy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 22:41:29 -0300 From: "Ricardo Martin Cabrera" Subject: Sheryl T-Shirts Hello Crew !!!... I'm not talk too much here, but i like lisent :). Well, a message say what of the 300 crew's menbers just 6 say YES! fopr the T-Shirts... Well, i want Three !!!, because my e-mails was read for two sheryl's fans more... I think that t-shirts for the club is a great idea, and i like the Erico Idea, the "Members Only"Jacket is good. And like T-Bird, i need a very big t-shirt :-) !!!... I like a pre-pay for this t-shirts, i live so far away... Well, Bye !!! - Rimaca. - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 10:18:31 +0800 From: Harinder_GREWAL@MCD.gov.sg Subject: Beautiful Stranger & T-shirt Yup, it's Madonna - I heard the song on the radio last night. Reference to what? T-shirt - good point LeeAnne, about not using pix without authorisation. An illustration woudl be ok, but I prefer a proper shot. how about one taken by a crew-member - those with good pix can get them scanned and put up, so those designing the shirts can use them?? Lisa - what crew logo? Is there one? harin owner-sheryl-crew@smoe.org on 13/05/99 03:19:50 Please respond to sheryl-crew@smoe.org @ SMTP To: sheryl-crew@smoe.org @ SMTP cc: Subject: Re: "Beautiful Stranger" & Lilith tickets Actually Madonna just finished recording a song for the AUSTIN POWERS 2 SOUNDTRACK called Beautiful Stranger! A reference perhaps? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 22:33:06 -0400 From: mindy pucci Subject: Fairly new member & Lilith Tix. Hi, my name is Mindy. I'm new to this, so I hope I don't make a jerk of myself.I'm from West Virginia, just 35 min. from Pitts. PA. I took advantage of the ticket promo, and got 2nd row center stage for aug. 13 in burgettstown,pa. Let me know if any of you are going to be there. I would love to meet up.I may even have an extra ticket for it if my friend backs out. My IM is mhmindy and my ICQ is11436103 in case you care. bye, Mindy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 19:29:14 -0700 From: ashley falsafi Subject: Re: Sheryl Crew CD's I agree that you should not charge too much (whatever that may be) however you are not including an important part of the equation. My personal collection has taken over 10 years to put together. Not that I charge $20 per cd, but I can understand that you may be paying for the ability to have a rare cd that you may have no chance to buy any longer. I am not sure who you are referring to, but that is my 2cents on that. And by the way, yes it is basiclly totally against the law, but in the end we are "spreading" the music. Peace, counting the days to lilith! tamela simon wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I'd like to ask that you all do not support this pirate, as he is dealing > with several illegalities here. > > Joe, > I think there's a fine distinction with fans trading items on CD-r's and > pirates like you who prey on fans by charging an excessive amount of money > for the CD-r's you make. Why don't you tell everyone you charge $20 as we > all know you do. The blank media itself costs about $2, plus about $0.55 > postage. You shouldn't be charging more than $4.00 per CD. In case you > have any questions, I am posting an article at the end of this post for your > enjoyment. > > >Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 15:13:09 -0400 > >From: BARFKO > >Subject: Sheryl Crew CD's > > > >Well Crew, > > > >I just got done shipping the last orders for the Sheryl Crew CD's. And >I > >think its about time to add a few more to the collection. I have >gotten > >alot of positive feedback on the CD's, so let's keep it going. >I'm sure > >you'll agree with me when I say YOU CAN'T GET ENOUGH >SHERYL! > Joe, some of us kept quiet about this the first time 'round, but if you > persist in carrying on with selling these CD's for a profit, you are looking > to get yourself in serious trouble. > > >As we all know, live Sheryl is the only Sheryl so here are two more > >Sheryl CD's available NOW! > > > >SHERYL CROW -- Live at "Wembley Arena" (2/18/99) > > > >This show is from "The Globe Sessions" tour. This is a DIGITALLY > >recorded BBC broadcast. Superb quality. Her new songs like >"Anything But > >Down", "Riverwide", and "There Goes The >Neighborhood" sound better in > >concert than on the "Globe >Sessions" CD. IMHO > >From the BBC -- you don't suppose these are copyrighted, do you? > > >If you're wanting to hear some of the new stuff performed live, and > >don't want crappy audience recordings, here's your chance. Forget > >cassette, this is the digital age. Own this ON CD!!! > Why don't you tell everyone how much you charge for this? > > >Well, let's get to the good stuff, the MUSIC!!! > > > >SHERYL CROW -- Live at "Wembley Arena" (2/18/99) > >1. My Favorite Mistake > >2. A Change (Would Do You Good) > >3. Anything But Down > >4. Riverwide > >5. If It Makes You Happy > >6. Sweet Rosalyn > >7. All I Wanna Do > >8. There Goes The Neighborhood > >9. Strong Enough > >10.The Difficulst Kind > >11.Everyday Is A Winding Road > > > >The second disc (available separately) is from 1996. This is a show >she > >did in Atlanta, GA from the "Sheryl Crow" CD tour. This show >was also > >broadcast on FM radio. This CD is from a radio station >promo, so the > >quality is incredible. If you have ordered from me >before, then you know > >the quality is there! This show also includes >the rare track "The Weight" > > > >Sheryl Crow -- "Live in Atlanta, GA" (1996) > > > >1. If It Makes You Happy > >2. Hard To Make A Stand > >3. Leaving Las Vegas > >4. A Change (Would DO You Good) > >5. Run Baby Run > >6. Everyday Is A Winding Road > >7. Sweet Rosalyn > >8. Redemption Day > >9. All I Wanna Do > >10.The Na-Na Song > >11.I Shall Believe > >12.The Weight > > > >If interested, drop me a line. > >Joe > >- -- > Well, I'm sure the RIAA, Geocities and Prodigy will be "dropping you a line" > soon, but it won't be out of a cell window. > > >******************** > > Joe Heimbuch > >http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palms/7766 > >(Import music trading page) > >*Mini-Disc* *CD-R* *TAPE?* > >******************** > > > ******************************************************* > RIAA Targets Net Tape Traders In Ongoing War > > Industry strong-arming of those dealing live recordings via Web has > scared many into submission. > > Addicted To Noise Staff Writer Chris Nelson reports: > > The Battle of the Net wages on. > > The music industry, having previously targeted webmasters who offer > unreleased, downloadable material on their sites, has fired its latest > protective salvo in the ongoing Internet war between fans and record > companies, this time picking a new target -- the tape trader. > > The particular trader in this case was a > Bruce Springsteen fan who, at a website > hosted by Temple University, offered to copy > unreleased Springsteen concert recordings in > return for $6 to cover the cost of blank > tapes and postage. In late December, the > Recording Industry Association of America -- > a trade association that represents the six > major record companies and their subsidiaries > -- ordered the school to remove the site, > which it did immediately. > > According to Frank Creighton, the RIAA's vice > president and associate director for > anti-piracy, the fact that the Temple trader > offered his collection on the Net was > particularly disturbing. > > "You're talking about the sound recording > being offered to thousands, or hundreds of > thousands, or millions of people," Creighton > said. "That clearly goes beyond two next-door > neighbors trading tapes because they're fans > of a particular band. It's getting much > closer to that fine line between commercial > and non-commercial distribution for these > sound recordings." > > When it comes to the rapidly exploding world > of music on the Net, it's sometimes hard to > discern who is running more scared: A music > industry fearful of losing money through > copyright violations, or music fans, who in > the promotion of their favorite artists have > become fearful of incurring the wrath of > record companies. > > Because the Net remains a relatively > uncharted landscape, neither party has fully > sized-up the other yet, and to the casual > observer, it might be difficult to paint one > as David and the other Goliath. That, > however, hasn't stopped either side from > claiming barraged underdog status for itself. > > In tape-trading circles, the impact of the > recent RIAA order was felt immediately as > fans rushed to post news of the bust on > bootleg newsgroups. "The day that the [RIAA] > letter came, my list [of concerts] came off > my website," said Flynn McLean, a 26-year-old > Springsteen trader from Wheaton, Md., who > claimed to be a friend of the Temple trader. > "I'm not offering any trades on my site any > more." > > The recent action capped off an active year > of Net-watching by the RIAA. Earlier in > December, the organization sent cease and > desist letters to several web hosts whose > customers had posted audio files from the > upcoming Yield album by Pearl Jam on the > websites. In June, the RIAA filed lawsuits > against the owners of three "archive sites," > which hosted full-length, high-quality audio > recordings by dozens of artists. > > And while trading may have now raised more > controversy for the industry, the practice of > taping and exchanging concert recordings has > taken place outside of cyberspace for > decades. Typically, fans trade one concert > for another, or if one trader has no concert > to offer, two blank tapes for each concert > tape. Veteran traders with massive > collections, like the Temple-based > Springsteen fan, often offer to trade for > cash as a convenience to new traders, or > "newbies." > > Posting lists of tapes for trade on the > Internet moves the hobby -- which > traditionally took place among collectors on > a one-on-one basis, or through classified ads > in relatively small fanzines -- into a much > larger realm. > > Dave Asselin, 27, of Boston said explicitly > on his concert tape website that he doesn't > trade in any fashion, be it > concert-for-concert, two-for-one or for > money. Privately, however, he explained that > in four years he's built a collection of more > than 400 unreleased Smashing Pumpkins audio > and video tapes. > > Although Asselin calls the recent action by > the RIAA "silly chest-puffing," he said he > has witnessed its effects. "I can't even tell > you how many people they've scared into > hiding their lists or pulling them off the > Web, which is exactly what they want to do. > Fifteen or 20 people that I trade with have > pulled their pages off or changed the > location." > > The RIAA is more interested in halting > transactions where money is exchanged for > recordings than traditional > concert-for-concert trades, Creighton said. > "We do look into those situations. Typically > in those situations what we like to do is > talk to our member companies about it, as > well as the artists themselves, to get a > flavor for how concerned they are about those > situations," he said. "In some cases, we > might send a warning letter as opposed to a > strongly worded cease and desist letter. But > don't let that confuse anybody -- the trading > of the tapes would be considered technically > illegal." > > Although McLean said he has no intention of > stopping his own trades, he predicted that > the RIAA warning will have a chilling effect > that will be felt most by newcomers looking > to get into tape-trading. "I already have the > friends who I know and I've traded with > before," he said. "The main effect is that > people are not going to be as willing to > trade with newbies." > > But in Asselin's view, the RIAA is grasping > at straws. He called their tactics > "irrelevant" in the grassroots territory of > cyberspace. > > "The Internet changes the rules," he said. > "They can't go out and bust a distributor and > cut off the supply of [bootleg] CDs or LPs to > a large part of the world. So they're trying > to scare people into not trading this way. > But this is just temporary. People will > forget all about this." [Wed., Jan. 14, 1998, > 9 a.m. PST] > > Clinton Signs No Electronic Theft (NET) Bill > > Article: http://cgi.pathfinder.com/netly/opinion/0,1042,1641,00.html > > The whole Bill: > ftp://ftp.loc.gov/pub/thomas/c105/h2265.rh.txt > > Basically, this closes the loophole concerning tape trading by making the > definition of financial gain include trading tapes. People may want to think > twice about having their names and trade history in anybody's database as > these become targets for criminal investigations to make an example of any > tape trader who trades more than a $1000 dollar value threshold in tapes > over six months, at some value per tape set by a music industry and their > lawyers. Be assured the per tape dollar value won't be anywhere near the > market value of blank tapes. > > The following is an exerpt from the Congressional record: > > Senator Leahy: "I introduced the Criminal Copyright Improvement Act of 1995 > on August 4, 1995 in response to this problem. The NET Act is the result of > our efforts. It would ensure redress in the future for flagrant, willful > copyright infringements in the following ways: First, it amends the term > `financial gain' as used in the Copyright Act to include `receipt, or > expectation of receipt, or anything of value, including the receipt of other > copyrighted works.' This revision would make clear that `financial gain' > includes bartering for, and the trading of, pirated software." > > The following is an excerpt of H.R. 2265, which amends U.S.C. Title 18: > > http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/2319A.html > > (e) UNAUTHORIZED FIXATION AND TRAFFICKING OF LIVE MUSICAL PERFORMANCES- > Section 2319A of title 18, United States Code, is amended-- > (1) by redesignating subsections (d) and (e) as subsections (e) > and (f), respectively; and > (2) by inserting after subsection (c) the following: > `(d) VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT - > (1) During preparation of the presentence report pursuant to Rule > 32(c) of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure, victims of the offense > shall > be permitted to submit, and the probation officer shall receive, a victim > impact statement that identifies the victim of the offense and the extent > and > scope of the injury and loss suffered by the victim, including the estimated > economic impact of the offense on that victim. > (2) Persons permitted to submit victim impact statements shall > include-- > (A) producers and sellers of legitimate works affected by > conduct involved in the offense; > (B) holders of intellectual property rights in such works; > and > (C) the legal representatives of such producers, sellers, > and holders. > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of sheryl-crew-digest V2 #149 *********************************