From: owner-seven-seas-digest@smoe.org (seven-seas-digest) To: seven-seas-digest@smoe.org Subject: seven-seas-digest V5 #368 Reply-To: seven-seas@smoe.org Sender: owner-seven-seas-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-seven-seas-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk seven-seas-digest Monday, November 6 2000 Volume 05 : Number 368 Ye Olde Seven-Seas Digest and Gazzette RE: seven-seas Off Topic--A little politics... ["-=>Zap<=-" Zap<=-" ] Re: seven-seas Off Topic--A little politics... [Frank Coleman ] Re: seven-seas Off Topic--A little politics... [CAdams1073@aol.com] seven-seas One last thing on Election... [Brian ] RE: seven-seas OT: love sucks ["Quiroga, Manuel" ] Re: seven-seas Off Topic--A little politics... [ted turner Zap<=-" ] Re: seven-seas Off Topic--A little politics... ["Fabio Bianchini" Zap<=-" Subject: RE: seven-seas Off Topic--A little politics... especially vote for any third party before you vote for the internet inventor himself (Gore) if you want to make a difference vote for Bush. it's no coincidence that the internet creator starts the majority of web addresses with "W" ...(as in George "W" Bush) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-seven-seas@smoe.org [mailto:owner-seven-seas@smoe.org]On Behalf Of kflott@lhsl.com Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 11:49 AM To: seven-seas@smoe.org Subject: Re: seven-seas Off Topic--A little politics... Why is it that what's important to a liberal is "important" to everyone? But what's important to a conservative sucks? The enviroment? You're saying that because someone says the rainforest is being cleared it's true? If the rainforest were being cleared at the rate they say it is... it'd have been cleared totally 3 times already... The FACT is that the rainforest is 90% intact. If you're voting for a liberal... vote Nader... you get all of Gore and a little Stalin thrown in for good measure... Vote 3rd party it's the only way to go. KenFromBoston - ----- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe seven-seas or unsubscribe seven-seas-digest to get off the digest And remember, George W. Bush has the IQ of a squash. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 13:18:56 -0500 From: "-=>Zap<=-" Subject: RE: seven-seas Off Topic--A little politics... Sorry Frank... but Bush is a million times better than gore... for all the reasons that you listed, not to mention many that you did not... education/Medicare/social security/military Frank Coleman @smoe.org on 11/06/2000 11:20:05 AM >>They both suck; what's the difference? Uhm, the Supreme Court? The Environment? Affirmative Action? The Economy? Regardless of how much you don't like Gore, Bush would be a complete catastrophe. Hold your nose if you must... Meanwhile, check this out -- Ralph Nader's Dark Side: http://www.realchange.org/nader.htm pass it on, FBC who is still stuck in a vortex but will re-emerge soon FR A N K C O L E M A N - ----- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe seven-seas or unsubscribe seven-seas-digest to get off the digest And remember, George W. Bush has the IQ of a squash. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 10:24:13 -0800 From: "MCH" Subject: Re: seven-seas Off Topic--A little politics... > am a huge fan of Ralph's, but I just can't vote for > him - it's too close an election for protest votes. Amen! the best thing Nader could do is stand up dramatically on the podium at the eleventh hour and tell his troops to all vote for Gore. If it worked it would guarantee the outcome and earn the eternal gratitude and coalition of the Democrats. Which could help the greens next time around. - ----- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe seven-seas or unsubscribe seven-seas-digest to get off the digest And remember, George W. Bush has the IQ of a squash. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 13:34:31 -0500 From: kflott@lhsl.com Subject: Re: seven-seas Re: RC/SF On a personal note... I'm having a shit day I just got the dreaded..."this relationship has to move forward or stop" talk. KenFromBoston... Anne Gleeson @smoe.org on 11/06/2000 01:13:31 PM Please respond to seven-seas@smoe.org Sent by: owner-seven-seas@smoe.org To: seven-seas@smoe.org cc: Fax to: Subject: Re: seven-seas Re: RC/SF Well put. All of the reasons I've been seriously contemplating a move lately.... The City has changed an amazing amount in the time I've lived here (gulp, nearly 11 years!) The music scene has all but dried up, no one respects what a gorgeous and slightly old fashioned place it is (all of the old institutions - bars, restaurants, etc. - are closing down in favor of overpriced yuppie hangouts), everything - and I mean EVERYTHING - costs a small fortune, and we are very much overdue for a big shaker. Only problem is that there's no where else I can think of that I want to live except England. :) Anne __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one Place. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ - ----- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe seven-seas or unsubscribe seven-seas-digest to get off the digest And remember, George W. Bush has the IQ of a squash. - ----- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe seven-seas or unsubscribe seven-seas-digest to get off the digest And remember, George W. Bush has the IQ of a squash. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 13:40:10 EST From: CAdams1073@aol.com Subject: Re: seven-seas Off Topic--A little politics... In a message dated 11/6/00 11:46:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, fbc@21ca.com writes: << Uhm, the Supreme Court? The Environment? Affirmative Action? The Economy? Regardless of how much you don't like Gore, Bush would be a complete catastrophe. >> Absolutely. Get Gore in there. I don't see how any sensitive, thinking person has any choice. And for fuck's sake, please VOTE. This is the closest race in generations--in almost every poll, the margin of error alone eliminates the lead of one candidate over the other. And, just to keep this on-topic, a vaguely relevant election quotation: "poison poised to come back in season for all the ones who lack reason...long live the people who aim above all the simple shit never understood like right from bad and wrong from good..." Gore--(relatively) good Bush--extremely bad - --Chris A. - ----- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe seven-seas or unsubscribe seven-seas-digest to get off the digest And remember, George W. Bush has the IQ of a squash. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 10:49:51 -0800 From: "kalhoun" Subject: Re: seven-seas Off Topic--A little politics... > > Gore--(relatively) good > Bush--extremely bad > > --Chris A. > The lesser of two evils is still an evil. tim - ----- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe seven-seas or unsubscribe seven-seas-digest to get off the digest And remember, George W. Bush has the IQ of a squash. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 13:03:07 CST From: "Prince of Happiness" Subject: Re: seven-seas Re: RC/SF >On a personal note... I'm having a shit day > > I just got the dreaded..."this relationship has to move forward or stop" > talk. Ew. That's such a yucky talk. I mean really, that's pushing too much. As for my feelings(hey, you're getting the peanut gallery today!), I think it's a control issue. I don't like it, and I run, run, run awaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay! The Prince of Happiness "When it's good it's good and when it's bad I go to pieces."-David Bowie, "Candidate" http://princeofhappines.tripod.com/thepageofhappines.html _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. - ----- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe seven-seas or unsubscribe seven-seas-digest to get off the digest And remember, George W. Bush has the IQ of a squash. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 11:03:24 -0800 (PST) From: Anne Gleeson Subject: seven-seas OT: love sucks I'm truly sorry to hear that, Ken. If it makes you feel any better (which it probably won't, but I'm always willing to try) It must be something in the air. The man I thought I was falling in love with has chosen to stop answering his phone and won't return emails. Relationships suck. And to make it even worse, not even enormous quantities of lager are helping this time. Anne - --- kflott@lhsl.com wrote: > > On a personal note... I'm having a shit day > > I just got the dreaded..."this relationship has to > move forward or stop" > talk. > > KenFromBoston... > > > > > Anne Gleeson @smoe.org on > 11/06/2000 01:13:31 PM > > Please respond to seven-seas@smoe.org > > Sent by: owner-seven-seas@smoe.org > > > To: seven-seas@smoe.org > cc: > Fax to: > Subject: Re: seven-seas Re: RC/SF > > > Well put. All of the reasons I've been seriously > contemplating a move lately.... The City has changed > an amazing amount in the time I've lived here (gulp, > nearly 11 years!) The music scene has all but dried > up, no one respects what a gorgeous and slightly old > fashioned place it is (all of the old institutions - > bars, restaurants, etc. - are closing down in favor > of > overpriced yuppie hangouts), everything - and I mean > EVERYTHING - costs a small fortune, and we are very > much overdue for a big shaker. > > Only problem is that there's no where else I can > think > of that I want to live except England. :) > > Anne > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in > one Place. > http://shopping.yahoo.com/ > > > > ----- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: > unsubscribe seven-seas > or unsubscribe seven-seas-digest to get off the > digest > > And remember, George W. Bush has the IQ of a squash. > > > > > > > > ----- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: > unsubscribe seven-seas > or unsubscribe seven-seas-digest to get off the > digest > > And remember, George W. Bush has the IQ of a squash. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one Place. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ - ----- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe seven-seas or unsubscribe seven-seas-digest to get off the digest And remember, George W. Bush has the IQ of a squash. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 14:01:55 -0500 From: Frank Coleman Subject: Re: seven-seas Off Topic--A little politics... >>before you vote for the internet inventor himself (Gore)<< Little known fact: Gore *never* claimed to have invented the Internet. It is true, though,that he was THE MAIN GUY in Washington who "got it" and championed it long before anyone else in congress. He deserves a lot of credit but unfortunately can't claim it because of the way he's allowed himself to be tarred with his own brush. But don't take my word for it: http://www.worldcom.com/about_the_company/cerfs_up/internet_history/q_and_a.phtml#question_11 best, FBC FR A N K C O L E M A N Chief Multimedia Architect > BroadVision Metaphysical Advisor > The Fright Channel Webmanster > http://www.bunnymen.com Co-Founder > Beat Theater Member > Bentmen Box 382 > Needham > Massachusetts > 02492 > US of A > 781.ILL.OXEN > aka > 781.455.6936 Never underestimate the power of a blind and ignorant electorate. - ----- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe seven-seas or unsubscribe seven-seas-digest to get off the digest And remember, George W. Bush has the IQ of a squash. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 19:15:59 -0000 From: "Stuart Bird" Subject: Re: seven-seas Off Topic--A little politics... Whoever you vote for... Government wins...... - ----- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe seven-seas or unsubscribe seven-seas-digest to get off the digest And remember, George W. Bush has the IQ of a squash. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 14:09:41 -0500 From: Brian Subject: seven-seas Election (non-EATB) Go ahead and vote for Nader.........that just takes votes away from Gore, and puts Bush in office. Neither candidate is perfect, but I think Gore's mean streak came out all too clearly in the debates, whereas Bush at least is a likeable guy, a quality not to be underestimated in an election. And all this talk about Bush being a disaster is simply laughable. I honestly think he's got ideas that are much more grounded in reality than Gore, but let me emphasize that I am not greatly impressed for either. Also, I don't think Bush is for eliminating abortion and taking rights away from minorities. He seems to be for fair treatment, not SPECIAL treatment, and I can go for that. I think we can believe that Bush is for less federal gov't too, and giving more power to the states. I also think that Gore as a Democrat will always be for more programs and pandering to all the special interest groups and bleeding heart liberals. I suppose, after all, they're both just politicians playing 'The Game' (there's my EATB content! lol)......but it comes down to choosing, and I hope everyone gets out to vote. There...my two cents....... - --Boz (p.s. how could anyone vote for someone that was so against the Corvair? LOL) - ----- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe seven-seas or unsubscribe seven-seas-digest to get off the digest And remember, George W. Bush has the IQ of a squash. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 14:15:28 EST From: CAdams1073@aol.com Subject: Re: seven-seas Off Topic--A little politics... In a message dated 11/6/00 2:06:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, kalhoun@humboldt1.com writes: << The lesser of two evils is still an evil. tim >> Absolutely--but the fact remains that one of these guys IS going to be elected into the most powerful political position on this here rock. It's indisputable. So, with that in mind, best to vote in "the lesser of two evils", as opposed to letting high-handed moralistic grousing lull you into a self-righteous fit of abject inactivity. - --Chris Adams - ----- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe seven-seas or unsubscribe seven-seas-digest to get off the digest And remember, George W. Bush has the IQ of a squash. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 14:15:38 -0500 From: Brian Subject: seven-seas One last thing on Election... And by the way, anyone characterizing Bush as 'too stupid' to run the country is deluding him/herself. He may not be as polished as Gore, but he's not stupid either. Gore can consult with Clinton on issues.....urgh!.......but at least Bush can talk with his Dad for advice. I know which I favor..........lol OK, enough.........we'll never all agree.......but I sit here amazed at how much people seem to dislike Bush. I think it's a case of believing sound bytes instead of informing oneself properly. - --Boz - ----- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe seven-seas or unsubscribe seven-seas-digest to get off the digest And remember, George W. Bush has the IQ of a squash. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 14:26:59 -0500 From: "Quiroga, Manuel" Subject: RE: seven-seas OT: love sucks Anne wrote: "I'm truly sorry to hear that, Ken. If it makes you feel any better (which it probably won't, but I'm always willing to try) It must be something in the air. The man I thought I was falling in love with has chosen to stop answering his phone and won't return emails. Relationships suck. And to make it even worse, not even enormous quantities of lager are helping this time." Love sucks: last friday my girlfriend said that she didn't know if she was in love with me, that she didn't want to lose me, but preferred me as a friend, that she needed a break. Of course I didn't accept her offer. Well, the enormus quantities of lager gave me nothing but a fucking headache. Nano - ----- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe seven-seas or unsubscribe seven-seas-digest to get off the digest And remember, George W. Bush has the IQ of a squash. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 13:20:06 CST From: "Prince of Happiness" Subject: Re: seven-seas Off Topic--A little politics... >The lesser of two evils is still an evil. > >tim *laughs* The best of what's left. The Prince of Happiness "When it's good it's good and when it's bad I go to pieces."-David Bowie, "Candidate" http://princeofhappines.tripod.com/thepageofhappines.html _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. - ----- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe seven-seas or unsubscribe seven-seas-digest to get off the digest And remember, George W. Bush has the IQ of a squash. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 14:24:08 EST From: "primary 73" Subject: Re: seven-seas Off Topic--A little politics... I resisted replying to this thread too. But here goes... I am all for demolishing the two party crap we got going on here now. But can ANYONE tell me why I should vote for Nader? How is he in anyway qualified to run the most powerful nation in the world? All I've seen so far of him is that he can act goofy and attempt witticisms on Leno. How does this make an effective leader? I agree with some of his ideals, but honestly can't seem him getting anything significant done as president. Foreign policy? This guy would be a JOKE. If you want people to abandon the two major parties, give us someone better to vote for than Perot or Nader, fergodsake. And my own personal politics do not align me to either major party candidate, but how could anyone support a mental midget like W? I'd rather elect a doorknob. - -ronda _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. - ----- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe seven-seas or unsubscribe seven-seas-digest to get off the digest And remember, George W. Bush has the IQ of a squash. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 13:25:54 -0600 (CST) From: ted turner Subject: Re: seven-seas Off Topic--A little politics... ya...u guys better vote Gore on in there...Bush will use Canada as a toilet for your decadent American excesses..we're clean and healthy up here...(except for the Great lakes..which u guys already killed). - -ted t On Mon, 6 Nov 2000 CAdams1073@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 11/6/00 11:46:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, fbc@21ca.com > writes: > > << Uhm, the Supreme Court? The Environment? Affirmative Action? The > Economy? Regardless of how much you don't like Gore, Bush would be a > complete catastrophe. >> > > Absolutely. Get Gore in there. I don't see how any sensitive, thinking > person has any choice. And for fuck's sake, please VOTE. This is the > closest race in generations--in almost every poll, the margin of error alone > eliminates the lead of one candidate over the other. > > And, just to keep this on-topic, a vaguely relevant election quotation: > "poison poised to come back in season for all the ones who lack reason...long > live the people who aim above all the simple shit never understood like right > from bad and wrong from good..." > > Gore--(relatively) good > Bush--extremely bad > > --Chris A. > > > > > ----- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: > unsubscribe seven-seas > or unsubscribe seven-seas-digest to get off the digest > > And remember, George W. Bush has the IQ of a squash. > - ----- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe seven-seas or unsubscribe seven-seas-digest to get off the digest And remember, George W. Bush has the IQ of a squash. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 14:25:51 EST From: CAdams1073@aol.com Subject: Re: seven-seas Off Topic--A little politics... In a message dated 11/6/00 1:36:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, milesh1@ix.netcom.com writes: << > am a huge fan of Ralph's, but I just can't vote for > him - it's too close an election for protest votes. Amen! the best thing Nader could do is stand up dramatically on the podium at the eleventh hour and tell his troops to all vote for Gore. >> Absolutely. Nader's great, but he's obviously not got an angel's chance in Hell's kitchen to actually become President--this time around. Any vote for Nader will essentially be a vote detracting from Gore, in which case Bush'll win and we're ALL fucked. Better a liar (as all politicians generally are) than a silver-spoon buffoon toeing a party line of a truly sinister political agenda. - --Chris A. - ----- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe seven-seas or unsubscribe seven-seas-digest to get off the digest And remember, George W. Bush has the IQ of a squash. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 13:27:24 CST From: "Elizabeth Osborne" Subject: Re: seven-seas Re: RC/SF Hi, Ken. Liz here and new to the list. Sorry about your day. My ex (as of Friday) is probably saying the same thing. A year and a half and 5 hours apart with no probable future in sight.....sometimes a girl just has to just give up. Think of it this way, you are so lucky to live in Boston. I'm stuck here in the Midwest - I love your fair city. >From: kflott@lhsl.com >Reply-To: seven-seas@smoe.org >To: seven-seas@smoe.org >CC: seven-seas@smoe.org >Subject: Re: seven-seas Re: RC/SF >Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 13:34:31 -0500 > > >On a personal note... I'm having a shit day > > I just got the dreaded..."this relationship has to move forward or stop" > talk. > >KenFromBoston... > > > > >Anne Gleeson @smoe.org on 11/06/2000 01:13:31 PM > >Please respond to seven-seas@smoe.org > >Sent by: owner-seven-seas@smoe.org > > >To: seven-seas@smoe.org >cc: >Fax to: >Subject: Re: seven-seas Re: RC/SF > > >Well put. All of the reasons I've been seriously >contemplating a move lately.... The City has changed >an amazing amount in the time I've lived here (gulp, >nearly 11 years!) The music scene has all but dried >up, no one respects what a gorgeous and slightly old >fashioned place it is (all of the old institutions - >bars, restaurants, etc. - are closing down in favor of >overpriced yuppie hangouts), everything - and I mean >EVERYTHING - costs a small fortune, and we are very >much overdue for a big shaker. > >Only problem is that there's no where else I can think >of that I want to live except England. :) > >Anne > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one Place. >http://shopping.yahoo.com/ > > > >----- >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: >unsubscribe seven-seas >or unsubscribe seven-seas-digest to get off the digest > >And remember, George W. Bush has the IQ of a squash. > > > > > > > >----- >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: >unsubscribe seven-seas >or unsubscribe seven-seas-digest to get off the digest > >And remember, George W. Bush has the IQ of a squash. > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. - ----- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe seven-seas or unsubscribe seven-seas-digest to get off the digest And remember, George W. Bush has the IQ of a squash. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 13:30:58 -0600 (CST) From: ted turner Subject: Re: seven-seas Off Topic--A little politics... ya...but what about helping Nader hit the 5% he needs to qualify fer more funding fer 2004....er will Georgie have swapped nuclear missiles for beer with several terrorists by then? - -ted t On Mon, 6 Nov 2000 CAdams1073@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 11/6/00 2:06:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, > kalhoun@humboldt1.com writes: > > << The lesser of two evils is still an evil. > > tim >> > > Absolutely--but the fact remains that one of these guys IS going to be > elected into the most powerful political position on this here rock. It's > indisputable. So, with that in mind, best to vote in "the lesser of two > evils", as opposed to letting high-handed moralistic grousing lull you into a > self-righteous fit of abject inactivity. > > --Chris Adams > > > > ----- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: > unsubscribe seven-seas > or unsubscribe seven-seas-digest to get off the digest > > And remember, George W. Bush has the IQ of a squash. > - ----- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe seven-seas or unsubscribe seven-seas-digest to get off the digest And remember, George W. Bush has the IQ of a squash. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 14:32:07 -0500 From: kflott@lhsl.com Subject: Re: seven-seas Re: RC/SF Ew! is right... I'm going to a movie... theatres always comfort me... KenFromBoston "Prince of Happiness" @smoe.org on 11/06/2000 02:03:07 PM Please respond to seven-seas@smoe.org Sent by: owner-seven-seas@smoe.org To: seven-seas@smoe.org cc: Fax to: Subject: Re: seven-seas Re: RC/SF >On a personal note... I'm having a shit day > > I just got the dreaded..."this relationship has to move forward or stop" > talk. Ew. That's such a yucky talk. I mean really, that's pushing too much. As for my feelings(hey, you're getting the peanut gallery today!), I think it's a control issue. I don't like it, and I run, run, run awaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay! The Prince of Happiness "When it's good it's good and when it's bad I go to pieces."-David Bowie, "Candidate" http://princeofhappines.tripod.com/thepageofhappines.html _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. - ----- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe seven-seas or unsubscribe seven-seas-digest to get off the digest And remember, George W. Bush has the IQ of a squash. - ----- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe seven-seas or unsubscribe seven-seas-digest to get off the digest And remember, George W. Bush has the IQ of a squash. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 11:41:32 -0800 From: "kalhoun" Subject: Re: seven-seas Off Topic--A little politics... > > Absolutely--but the fact remains that one of these guys IS going to be > elected into the most powerful political position on this here rock. It's > indisputable. So, with that in mind, best to vote in "the lesser of two > evils", as opposed to letting high-handed moralistic grousing lull you into a > self-righteous fit of abject inactivity. > > --Chris Adams > Yeah. You're right. OK...changed my mind. I'll vote for evil. I like the status quo. Change is bad. I fear it. ;) Nah. Tomorrow I'm voting my conscience. I couldn't live with myself otherwise. Maybe that is self-righteous. But I thought voting was evalutating the candidates and casting a vote for the one I think might do the best job. I've done my homework, and I don't take voting lightly. My third party vote would never go to Gore anyway, so I'm not taking votes from one numbnut to elect another. Evil will be voted in tomorrow, lesser or not. That's what America wants, obviously. But maybe the process of change will begin. If that's abject inactivity, then let it be so. tim vota idiota - ----- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe seven-seas or unsubscribe seven-seas-digest to get off the digest And remember, George W. Bush has the IQ of a squash. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 14:40:37 -0500 From: "-=>Zap<=-" Subject: RE: seven-seas Off Topic--A little politics... of course every other country would love to see us elect gore and weaken the military even further. Clinton WAS/IS a disaster. no matter what the democrats say... without a republican congress, they had NOTHING. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-seven-seas@smoe.org [mailto:owner-seven-seas@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Anders Domstedt Vote Gore for the world, Bush is a complete disaster ! /Anders Frank Coleman skrev: > >>They both suck; what's the difference? > > Uhm, the Supreme Court? The Environment? Affirmative Action? The > Economy? Regardless of how much you don't like Gore, Bush would be a > complete catastrophe. Hold your nose if you must... > - ----- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe seven-seas or unsubscribe seven-seas-digest to get off the digest And remember, George W. Bush has the IQ of a squash. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 12:03:24 -0800 From: "Charles Pham" Subject: seven-seas Election My two quick cents: If Nader receives 5% of the votes, the Green Party will receive Federal funding during the next election, if I'm not mistaken. Therefore, although Nader wouldn't be in office, it's definitely an estonishing accomplishment for a third party. And perhaps next election we'll have a more balanced ticket...So it's not a wasted vote. Further, it's a definite catch-22: a) vote for Nader and help finally get more than two real candidates for the next election, yet have drunk-W in office until then, or b) vote for Gore, yet fuck our chances for a more balanced ticket in the next election. FYI: to this point, I'm still undecided as to whom I'm voting for tomorrow... Stick a fork in me... Charles Pham Nirve Interactive 1801 Century Park East Suite 300 Century City, CA 90067 310.552.0075 323.273.1550 cell 310.552.0891 fax charles@nirve.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-seven-seas@smoe.org [mailto:owner-seven-seas@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Brian Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 11:10 AM To: Echo & the Bunnymen Mailing List Echo & the Bunnymen Mailing List Subject: seven-seas Election (non-EATB) Go ahead and vote for Nader.........that just takes votes away from Gore, and puts Bush in office. Neither candidate is perfect, but I think Gore's mean streak came out all too clearly in the debates, whereas Bush at least is a likeable guy, a quality not to be underestimated in an election. And all this talk about Bush being a disaster is simply laughable. I honestly think he's got ideas that are much more grounded in reality than Gore, but let me emphasize that I am not greatly impressed for either. Also, I don't think Bush is for eliminating abortion and taking rights away from minorities. He seems to be for fair treatment, not SPECIAL treatment, and I can go for that. I think we can believe that Bush is for less federal gov't too, and giving more power to the states. I also think that Gore as a Democrat will always be for more programs and pandering to all the special interest groups and bleeding heart liberals. I suppose, after all, they're both just politicians playing 'The Game' (there's my EATB content! lol)......but it comes down to choosing, and I hope everyone gets out to vote. There...my two cents....... - --Boz (p.s. how could anyone vote for someone that was so against the Corvair? LOL) - ----- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe seven-seas or unsubscribe seven-seas-digest to get off the digest And remember, George W. Bush has the IQ of a squash. - ----- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe seven-seas or unsubscribe seven-seas-digest to get off the digest And remember, George W. Bush has the IQ of a squash. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 18:00:49 -0200 From: "Fabio Bianchini" Subject: Re: seven-seas Off Topic--A little politics... - ----- Original Message ----- From: -=>Zap<=- To: Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 5:40 PM Subject: RE: seven-seas Off Topic--A little politics... > of course every other country would love to > see us elect gore and weaken the military > even further. Clinton WAS/IS a disaster. > no matter what the democrats say... > without a republican congress, they had NOTHING. Oh, sure, we're all willing to invade the USA with our lethal bows & arrows, rocks and other dangerous weapons. Fabio - ----- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe seven-seas or unsubscribe seven-seas-digest to get off the digest And remember, George W. Bush has the IQ of a squash. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 13:59:44 -0600 (CST) From: ted turner Subject: RE: seven-seas Off Topic--A little politics... Yes! Canada wants Gore in so that we can invade you...tt On Mon, 6 Nov 2000, -=>Zap<=- wrote: > of course every other country would love to > see us elect gore and weaken the military > even further. Clinton WAS/IS a disaster. > no matter what the democrats say... > without a republican congress, they had NOTHING. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-seven-seas@smoe.org [mailto:owner-seven-seas@smoe.org]On > Behalf Of Anders Domstedt > > Vote Gore for the world, Bush is a complete disaster ! > > /Anders > > > Frank Coleman skrev: > > > >>They both suck; what's the difference? > > > > Uhm, the Supreme Court? The Environment? Affirmative Action? The > > Economy? Regardless of how much you don't like Gore, Bush would be a > > complete catastrophe. Hold your nose if you must... > > > > > > > > ----- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: > unsubscribe seven-seas > or unsubscribe seven-seas-digest to get off the digest > > And remember, George W. Bush has the IQ of a squash. > - ----- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe seven-seas or unsubscribe seven-seas-digest to get off the digest And remember, George W. Bush has the IQ of a squash. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 15:13:32 -0500 From: "Quiroga, Manuel" Subject: RE: seven-seas Off Topic--A little politics... "Oh, sure, we're all willing to invade the USA with our lethal bows & arrows, rocks and other dangerous weapons." hahaha, USA, now you're OURS!!! - ----- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe seven-seas or unsubscribe seven-seas-digest to get off the digest And remember, George W. Bush has the IQ of a squash. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 14:10:00 CST From: "Prince of Happiness" Subject: Re: seven-seas Off Topic--A little politics... >Evil will be voted in tomorrow, lesser or not. That's what America wants, >obviously. But maybe the process of change will begin. If that's abject >inactivity, then let it be so. C'mon everybody sing-along: "Someone to claim us, someone to follow Someone to shame us, some brave Apollo Someone to fool us, someone like you We want you Big Brother, Big Brother" What bothers me about both party candidates, is that we never really had a choice about who their candidates were. I wanted McCain. We get Daddy's Lil Boy. I'm sure the Dems must have had someone else, but we get Clintonstein's Monster. They were picked and locked in long before any primaries, long before any convention(why even bother to have those damn things anyways?). And with the choice of the party hacks, two parties entrenched as deeply in the political machine as the Reps and Dems, who they choose is who we get. I don't like that. Not one bit. The Prince of Happiness "When it's good it's good and when it's bad I go to pieces."-David Bowie, "Candidate" http://princeofhappines.tripod.com/thepageofhappines.html _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. - ----- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe seven-seas or unsubscribe seven-seas-digest to get off the digest And remember, George W. Bush has the IQ of a squash. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 15:22:37 -0500 (EST) From: jason and jill Subject: Re: seven-seas Off Topic--A little politics... On Mon, 6 Nov 2000, kalhoun wrote: > > > > Gore--(relatively) good > > Bush--extremely bad > > > > --Chris A. > > > > The lesser of two evils is still an evil. The more evil of two evils is still more evil. Jason - ----- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe seven-seas or unsubscribe seven-seas-digest to get off the digest And remember, George W. Bush has the IQ of a squash. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 14:42:01 CST From: "Prince of Happiness" Subject: Re: seven-seas Off Topic--A little politics... > > The lesser of two evils is still an evil. > >The more evil of two evils is still more evil. Evil is as evil does. ;p The Prince of Happiness "When it's good it's good and when it's bad I go to pieces."-David Bowie, "Candidate" http://princeofhappines.tripod.com/thepageofhappines.html _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. - ----- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe seven-seas or unsubscribe seven-seas-digest to get off the digest And remember, George W. Bush has the IQ of a squash. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 16:02:17 -0500 (EST) From: jason and jill Subject: Re: seven-seas One last thing on Election... On Mon, 6 Nov 2000, Brian wrote: > OK, enough.........we'll never all agree.......but I sit here amazed at > how much people seem to dislike Bush. I think it's a case of believing > sound bytes instead of informing oneself properly. > --Boz I think it's a case of not having much use for a lazy, stupid glad hander that would be an assistant manager at the local Pep Boys if not for whose son he is, and while it is very nice that Bush will surround himself with experts it would be kind of nice he understood what any of those experts were saying. Besides, isn't anyone a little bit frightened by the joyous expression Bush has on his face whenever he talks about executing people? I don't oppose the death penalty, but the guy overseeing the process isn't supposed to ENJOY it. Bush is a lightweight, a nothing, a lucky little rich kid who has been bailed out again and again by his family, and has no business being, or even running for, the office. I still can't believe the Republicans had McCain available and went for a silverplated doofus. The best you can say about Bush is that he seems like a genial dipshit. That's some qualifications to be president. Also, as an attorney I know that the largest long-term effect a President has is the Supreme Court justices he appoints. There has been a great deal of absolute bullshit on this issue from the Nader nuts, and from Bush. Fact, on one issue after another, abortion rights, separation of church and state, press freedoms, etc., the Supreme Court is right now voting 5-4 in favor of protecting individual rights. A one vote change, bye bye those rights. And the next president will likely get to name 3 out of 9 justices, possibly 4 depending on whether there are any expected retirements. Add to that the number of lower court judges that the next president can name, a number that is inflated at this point b/c Republicans in Congress have held up numerous nominations in exectation of a Bush presidency. First addressing the Naderite bullshit, Nader says that voting for him and getting a Bush president wouldn't affect anything b/c presidents have been surprised by the votes their nominees make. H/e, the fact is that presidents have been accurate in their expectations far more times than they have been inaccurate. In that time that the Republicans have focused on this issue in naming their appointments, they have been surprised only once--by Souter--and W has been quite careful to never mention Souter as an example of the kind of judge he would nominate. Do the math. Nader is smart enough to know that you don't bet on someone making a mistake and being surprised--he's just confident his supporters aren't smart enough to figure that out. The Bush bullshit on this issue, and other constitutional issues, is his grin and wink suggestions that people shouldn't worry much b/c he won't push these issues. The crap in that, and what Bush knows quite well, is that the president doesn't push these issues--Congress, the state legislatures, and prosecuters and police push these issues, and the question is whether there will be a president around that will veto abuse legislation, and a court system that will police the police, the Congress and the legislature. Again, Bush is able to shovel the manure on this counting on most people to have no understanding of how it all works. Hell, who knows if Bush even knows how it works. Another finally--a permanent Green Party in the U.S. is BAD thing. For all the carrying on about third parties, the governmental structure in the U.S. isn't configured to give any real power to third parties. There is no proportial representation in the U.S. For example, in many parliamentary systems, when there are three parties and one party gets 40% of the vote, another party gets 42% of the vote, and a third party gets 18% of the vote the third party gets approximately 18% of the seats in parliament. That's real power and the ability to if not get things done in of its self, to at least push things the right way by being the key to either of the other parties getting a majority. In the U.S., the party getting 18% of the vote gets nothing. Squat. Zilch. The big zero. Slapped on the ass and sent home. That's why Republicans are sneaking money to advertising for Nader--votes for Nader disappear into a black hole with no effect other than to help Bush. The reason why a U.S. Green party is bad is that it will never, ever, in a million years get even a winning plurality of the vote. Hence, the people that vote for it are taken out the electoral process the same as if they just didn't vote at all. End result--the effective electorate able to put a president, senators, representatives, etc. into office moves to the right by the exact percentage of the Green party's vote. The republicans would LOVE to see a permanent Green party that would get a guaranteed 5-10% of the vote each election--it would help the Republicans enormously, and if it *did* get to 10% it would guarantee a Republican sweep of almost all elections. Nader has no bigger fans than the guys in the RNC. Jason - ----- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe seven-seas or unsubscribe seven-seas-digest to get off the digest And remember, George W. 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