From: owner-seven-seas@smoe.org (seven-seas-digest) To: seven-seas-digest@smoe.org Subject: seven-seas-digest V4 #522 Reply-To: seven-seas@smoe.org Sender: owner-seven-seas@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-seven-seas@smoe.org Precedence: bulk seven-seas-digest Saturday, November 5 2005 Volume 04 : Number 522 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 10:07:43 -0000 From: "jswee" Subject: Re: seven-seas A bit of politics & Bunnymen O/T Cheers, Can anyone suggest any good nightclubs or pubs up north (england)? I don't go clubbing much anymore but when I disappear up north I like to have a bit of fun ! As for some Universities being glorified polytechnics I have experience of both old & new Universities. I went to Leeds University in 1992 & dropped out in about 1994. In my first year where I achieved a 2:2 in Geography & a 2:1 in my subsiduary of Management studies. I then smoked too much & became very ill in my second year. I decided to transfer although Leeds said I could come back & leave my place open, I chose to change university (which was the biggest mistake I've ever made !). I looked at Liverpool & Manchester University but both said there courses were full. I chose to move to JMU (which is an old polytechnic, 1994 - 1996). I found that the second year course in JMU was exactly the same as my first year in Leeds ! This lead to me not being motivated, frustrated & at times drinking too much. However, JMU offered great courses in the third year such as philosophy of geography, Tourism, China & I did my dissertation on race & racism. I achieved a 2.1 but I do believe that there should be somethinmg of a "ranking" system of Universities ! I then did my teaching qualification at "Liverpool Hope" University (1996-97). I had planned moving to Liverpool after Leeds Uni to do a teaching qualification so it came about in the end. So on your view that some universities are glorified polytechnics I would agree that there is still a distinct difference between the "old" & "new" universities. I think that employers do recognise the fact that this is true. I used to joke about poly students when I was in Leeds but it's just a bit of fun. the work is still quite difficult ! & some should specialise in things such as "sports science", "Tourism" & other new courses. Someone at work who has recently gone to Cuba said a lot of people who were in the tourist industry have degrees (great!). I went to Parga in Greece on a trip & the woman (tour guide) had great in depth knowledge of Greek Mythology & History ! It was fascinating & one of the reasons I love organised trips ! BRING BACK GRANTS ! (I used to spend sometimes over 12 hours in a room studying for A level exams, surely this is hard work & should be rewarded ! - don't make universities stop people from comprehensive schools going due to debt !). Jonathan P. Sweeney Ps You should educate yourself whether a student or not. I love poetry - Paul Farley, Roger McGough, WBYeats, Lorca etc.... and have a greater thirst for education now I'm in my thirties ! & this just adds to fun in life ! - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stu Bird" To: Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 11:50 PM Subject: Re: seven-seas A bit of politics & Bunnymen > Will's club night is called Friction. However, the > last e-mailout suggested that the recent night would > be the "last for some time". > > As for your politics.. The credibility of universities > and degrees is at rock botom. Too many Unis that are > really glorified Polys, and far too many degree > subjects that mean virtually nothing in the workplace. > Grants are actually loans. > > I could go on and on about this as it's a topic that I > have strong feelings about (from personal experience, > a parental level, and as an employer in previous > jobs). This ain't the place for any in-depth > discussion. > > Sorry for the ramble > > Stu > > 7/10 for grammar Jon > Must try harder ;-);-) > JOKE JOKE JOKE by the way > > --- jswee wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I thought Will seargent did a DJ set in Liverpool > > somewhere club america or > > something like that. I'm off up to the north of > > England next weekend possibly > > can anyone suggest a decent place to go out? I was > > thinking about education > > sat in the pub tonight. I'm actually proud of people > > who attend top > > universities in this country who have attended > > comprehensive schools or who > > are off estates. I here a lot of people who say they > > have attended the > > "university of life" especially when I lived in > > Liverpool. If you educate > > yourself & work hard to attend a good university > > then you earn my respect. For > > example there is a college in Cambridge which has > > 70% or so comprehensive > > school kids attending. If you do away with student > > grants then this ruins the > > chances of some people who worked hard ! Education > > should be subsidised for > > where are all the doctors, teachers etc going to > > come from. strapped in debt & > > it just widens the divide. I had the privalege of > > attending university but I > > wouldn't want someone else not to on financial > > grounds ! > > > > Jonathan Sweeney. > > > > > > > > > ===================================================================== > > Bunnymen Online Presence: > > http://www.bunnymenlist.com * > > http://www.bunnymen.info > > * > > http://www.bunnymen.com * > > http://www.fotolog.net/sgtfuzz/ > > * > > http://www.villiersterrace.com * > > http://www.angelfire.com/wy2/discog/ > > * > > > http://www.softskull.com/detailedbook.php?isbn=1-887128-89-6 > > * > > > > > ====================================================================== > > > > ===================================================================== > Bunnymen Online Presence: > http://www.bunnymenlist.com * http://www.bunnymen.info > * > http://www.bunnymen.com * http://www.fotolog.net/sgtfuzz/ > * > http://www.villiersterrace.com * http://www.angelfire.com/wy2/discog/ > * > http://www.softskull.com/detailedbook.php?isbn=1-887128-89-6 > * > > ====================================================================== > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.7/153 - Release Date: 01/11/2005 ===================================================================== Bunnymen Online Presence: http://www.bunnymenlist.com * http://www.bunnymen.info * http://www.bunnymen.com * http://www.fotolog.net/sgtfuzz/ * http://www.villiersterrace.com * http://www.angelfire.com/wy2/discog/ * http://www.softskull.com/detailedbook.php?isbn=1-887128-89-6 * ====================================================================== ------------------------------ End of seven-seas-digest V4 #522 ********************************