From: owner-seven-seas@smoe.org (seven-seas-digest) To: seven-seas-digest@smoe.org Subject: seven-seas-digest V3 #312 Reply-To: seven-seas@smoe.org Sender: owner-seven-seas@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-seven-seas@smoe.org Precedence: bulk seven-seas-digest Saturday, September 4 2004 Volume 03 : Number 312 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 04:32:56 +1200 From: "Kristin Smith" Subject: Re: OT: seven-seas MORE ADAMS LIES MCH writes: > the Republicans have had their 4 yrs to ruin the economy and > alienate the world, now the Democrats get to clean up the mess > again (hopefully). It keeps things in balance. > It is kind of like that poor man in the myth who kept pushing the big rock up the hill. - K :) ====================================== http://www.bunnymenlist.com ====================================== ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 05:07:58 +1200 From: "Kristin Smith" Subject: Re: OT: seven-seas MORE ADAMS LIES Stu Bird writes: > In 2001 a truely mad lunatic murdered 300 innocent people in two tower blocks in the US..The work of an evil man. But somehow, people seem to think the killing 6000 innocent people is justifiable.. because they ain't from my country.. That one point alone backs up Chris's points.. There ain't any answer to that.. Unless of course it's a racist ( no, nazi ) answer. I was against the war, and I think he has gotten us into a terrible mess, and it has probably done as much harm as good to the people we're supposed to be 'liberating'. But do you see a way out? The threat is real enough (unlike in Vietnam), and if Iraq was not a center of terrorist ferment before, it certainly is now. - Kristin No, killing 6000 innocent people is not justifiable. But it is the nature of war b which is why we should think long and hard before we have a war. ====================================== http://www.bunnymenlist.com ====================================== ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 14:33:37 -0400 From: Nate Vanden Brook Subject: Re: OT: seven-seas MORE ADAMS LIES >> . > > > I was against the war, and I think he has gotten us into a terrible > mess, and it has probably done as much harm as good to the people > we're supposed to be 'liberating'. But do you see a way out? > The threat is real enough (unlike in Vietnam), and if Iraq was not a > center of terrorist ferment before, it certainly is now. > WOAH! I am a lurker to be sure. From time to time I pipe up and this is one of this times. How was the threat real enough? Now? Sure. Saying well it might of been before but it is now is a negation.Bad logic. I might kill someone tomorrow, or pick up some nasty habit, punishing you now for what you might be doing or might do is bullshit and is against the rule of law. Kind of like a preemptive strike. - -- Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything. - --Josef Stalin ====================================== http://www.bunnymenlist.com ====================================== ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 14:13:28 -0500 (CDT) From: amyr@jump.net (Amy Moseley Rupp) Subject: Re: OT: seven-seas MORE ADAMS LIES > Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything. > --Josef Stalin For once he was telling the truth ;-) ====================================== http://www.bunnymenlist.com ====================================== ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 07:21:09 +1200 From: "Kristin Smith" Subject: Re: OT: seven-seas MORE ADAMS LIES Nate Vanden Brook writes: How was the threat real enough? Now? Sure. Saying well > it might of been before but it is now is a negation.Bad logic. I might > kill someone tomorrow, or pick up some nasty habit, punishing you now for > what you might be doing or might do is bullshit and is against the rule > of law. Kind of like a preemptive strike. > Since large numbers of people out there have said clearly and repeatedly that they intend to destroy us, I think I am quite accurate in saying the threat is real. And I think charging headlong into this war hasnbt helped matters any. But we must deal with the situation as it is now. I donbt have the answer, but I donbt think it will work to just pick up sticks and go home and hope they wonbt bother us. - Kristin ====================================== http://www.bunnymenlist.com ====================================== ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 16:02:38 -0400 From: Nate Vanden Brook Subject: Re: OT: seven-seas MORE ADAMS LIES > Since large numbers of people out there have said clearly and > repeatedly that they intend to destroy us, I think I am quite accurate > in saying the threat is real. Ok, let me make sure I am following you. Since terrorist group x has said: Death the to Imperialist American infidels (and they have been saying this for years and years and years) and terrorist group y made action against America, it is a ok for us to attack a country who has never really made an unprovoked move against any Americans or American military personnel. Now I am not saying that Sadam was not an evil mother fucker, cause he was, I am saying that he as not a credible threat against America. You can say nuhuh he was till the cows come home, but until you show me the body, there is no proof. Plain and simple. Now the invasion of Afghanistan is an interesting one, while I am opposed to the death of anyone and I am very opposed to the lex talionis method of international (or really any) relations, something needed to be done, as awful as it is, was invasion and war and more death the answer? Probably not, but that is the prevailing theme throughout Western culture. Osama though is not the course of the this discussion tho. Iraq is. And the twain do not meet. They might have once like 10 years ago come close, but again show me the body. > And I think charging headlong into this war hasnbt helped matters > any. But we must deal with the situation as it is now. I donbt have > the answer, but I donbt think it will work to just pick up sticks and > go home and hope they wonbt bother us. Who is this they? Iraq? The Evil Terrorists? (read them like the boogie man for the most part) Who North Korea (ya know the country who actually has WMD's) The Saudis? Or maybe Bush and Co. I am more afraid of what THEY will do in the next four years, than I am of the, maybe possible it could happen just you wait and see, idea of another terrorist attack. I am more afraid of continued job loss, the fact that enrollment is down in Colleges all over the US right now, the fact that these bastards would rather rule the world than consider that the last 80 some odd years of middle east foreign policy might be wrong. These things frighten me, and they should frighten you, more than another terrorist attack on this nation. Ever read the "HandMaids Tale", by Margaret Atwood? How about 1984? How about Society of the Spectacle? The ideas spoken of in these books (granted two are fiction, but as we all know something truth is stranger than fiction) cast a very frightening shadow on our present. - -- Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything. - --Josef Stalin ====================================== http://www.bunnymenlist.com ====================================== ------------------------------ End of seven-seas-digest V3 #312 ********************************