From: owner-seven-seas@smoe.org (seven-seas-digest) To: seven-seas-digest@smoe.org Subject: seven-seas-digest V3 #96 Reply-To: seven-seas@smoe.org Sender: owner-seven-seas@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-seven-seas@smoe.org Precedence: bulk seven-seas-digest Wednesday, March 3 2004 Volume 03 : Number 096 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 01:39:25 +0000 From: "Steven Bowie" Subject: RE: seven-seas ...and so it goes... Ivan.I have deliberatelly held off for a while to let you get your head round things mate.I know what you have been through as I think I told you a while back.That is,not being able to see your kids.In your case,daughter.In my case,son.I know you have an un-questionable love for the Bunnymen,no one can deny.Fuck those who say any different.But guts to you mate.You stood your ground and took it on the chin,like a man.You stood up and told the truth.I have to admit mate,I questioned things myself,but you answered the lot with your stand up and be honest attitude.Well done.I will miss you on the site mate,but hey,look after NO.1 and never forget it.It was a pleasure,if that rings a bell.Steve >From: "Ivan Smith" >Reply-To: seven-seas@smoe.org >To: >Subject: seven-seas ...and so it goes... >Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 12:18:32 -0800 > >The following is an abridgement of an e-mail I'd sent to friends, and >forwarded to management, as well as Peter Allen, who will be babysitting >the >site until he's named my successor, or a replacement is found. I make no >excuses, and I'm not asking to be forgiven. I'm just telling you what >really >happened.... > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Ivan Smith >To: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX >Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 9:35 PM >Subject: ...and so it goes... > > >Hi. > >Thanks for your concern - your e-mails, phone calls. > >Where to begin: > >As you know, I re-connected with my daughter in the Spring, after not >having >seen her for the better part of a decade. From that moment, she became my >#1 >priority. I re-evaluated my life choices, and went back to work in retail - >a >'day job'. I was hired on as part of the sales staff of a not yet opened >department store. Through June and July, I worked 40-50 hours a week, >processing product, throwing freight, moving fixtures.. the grunt work that >precedes a grand opening. All my income at that time went to catching up on >back-owed child support. As opening drew near, I realized I had no suitable >wardrobe for my new position. I made the choice at that time to 'borrow' >funds >from the Paypal account to purchase a couple suits, dress shirts, etc... I >felt once we opened and commissions kicked in, that I'd have no problem >re-paying the money to the Paypal account. End of Summer came, I'd paid >part >of the money back, but at the same time, I'd been spending a lot of my >paychecks on my daughter - stupid attempts at compensation for my 8 years >of >absence from her life. I'd been contacted by Pete and Peasy by that point >to >sort out matters, and had confessed within the month what I'd done... They >asked that I process and forward the orders to them. Since then, I just >haven't been able to bring myself to sit down, and sort out the whole thing >- >or any of it. I did, in fact, ignore all their e-mails... Didn't actually >read >any of them. Just set them all aside. > >Over a year ago, the Bunnymen ceased to be a priority in my life. At the >time >I took on the responsibility for the website, I was ill-equipped, and >inexperienced. Will Sergeant allowed me to grow into the position, and I >was >given a lot of leeway, and dealt with in great patience - probably because >I >was doing it all for free. Free except for this: Will told me when I signed >on, that I'd get copies of any and all releases, and would have all-access >to >gigs in perpetuity. Well, they were pretty good about getting me a copy of >"Flowers", and the "It's Alright" singles... However, I had to beg Rhino >for >"Crystal Days", and bought my copies of "Make Me Shine", "Slideling" "Love >In >Veins" & "Sliding" as well as the remasters. The re-issue of "Avalanche" >was >problematic to begin with - I was told to offer it up for sale months >before >it was even PRESSED. I didn't find out until after a month of presales that >it >hadn't been mastered yet. I covered management's ass big-time for that one. >Of >course, at the time, Pete and Peasy promised me the "first copy" of the >CD.... >I still haven't gotten my hands on one. > >Does any of the above excuse my actions? Of course not. I think, really, >though, that I'd been looking for a way out for a long time - I guess I >subconsciously chose this as my way of doing it. > >Now, to answer to some side-accusations that have floated on the Seven-Seas >list: As far as the 25th anniversary competition went - I shouldn't have >started that one in the first place. That one was my idea - all the items >I'd >offered as prizes were part of my personal collection - the guitar Will >supposedly 'donated', according to one accuser, I purchased off eBay nearly >two years ago. In fact, I purchased most of the 'prizes' on eBay over the >course of the past 3 or 4 years, long before this whole money scandal. The >Crystal Days samplers were sent to me by Rhino, because they found them >lying >around when they were moving offices... Why didn't I go on with the >competition? Because I didn't have the time or energy to come up with the >questions, nor the funds to pay postage for delivery of the prizes. About >the >comments regarding earlier "Avalanche" prizes not delivered to Seattle >Bunnymen fans - Well, I'd brought those along with me to the gig to have >signed by Ian & Will. Getting Mac to sign them was a major bitch, and he >wound >up giving the copies to two buxom things at our table after the show... The >fans who I'd owed them to tried to get my attention at that point, but I >was >frustrated and drunk and blew them off... > >Regarding Bunnymen.com - accusations that I'd deleted posts regarding >"where's >my avalanche" were correct. I did delete some forum posts. However, the >accusation that I disabled the website during the tour is false - We went >over >bandwidth, because too many people were visiting, and partaking of >multimedia >content. Management said they'd sort payment to the provider. A couple >weeks >later, they asked me to sort it. Did I recently disable the forums? Yes. >I >since have e-mailed management with the access urls, usernames and >passwords >for the site and the mailing list. I have no access to bunnymen.com I have >deleted my bunnymen.com user account. > >I know I must make restitution to Ian and Will. I do sincerely believe I >will >do that at some point. As for the fans - well, I've let them down for sure. >As >for me, I'm ok... I'm really glad it's all out there. The whole thing about >the Bunnymen being a 'cult' band it pretty spot-on. I've become pretty >obsessed with them since 1997. I've spent tens of thousands of dollars and >countless hours of my time chasing that obsession. > >Time to move on. Please, don't phone my home or leave voice messages >regarding >any of this. If you can muster the slightest bit of respect for me, please >respect my privacy and the privacy of those with whom I live. Oh, and >XXXXXXXXXX, if you can pass this info along to XXXXXXXX, I'd appreciate it. >He >doesn't have 'the e-mail', and I really can't talk to him right now. > > > >That's it.... > > >See ya > > > >--- > >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.581 / Virus Database: 368 - Release Date: 2/9/2004 > > > >====================================== >http://www.bunnymenlist.com > >====================================== > _________________________________________________________________ Tired of 56k? 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