From: owner-seven-seas@smoe.org (seven-seas-digest) To: seven-seas-digest@smoe.org Subject: seven-seas-digest V2 #514 Reply-To: seven-seas@smoe.org Sender: owner-seven-seas@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-seven-seas@smoe.org Precedence: bulk seven-seas-digest Thursday, July 3 2003 Volume 02 : Number 514 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2003 08:24:05 -0400 From: Red Subject: Re: seven-seas WARNING ! - OTOTOTOTOTOTOT At 01:31 AM 7/3/03 -0500, you wrote: > >Did you ever think they might have been 'translating' for you? Sorry....but they're more inclined to make 'us' transform to 'them'!! I don't ask anyone to translate...unless I can't figure something out... and besides, the average person doesn't go around speaking a different language because someone new is in their home. Most of the time they don't even have a clue that we call something different than what they do, if we do, because *I* tend to be the one to notice. (Like the time I asked for a 'bandaid'. Took a short while, but I was then given a 'plaster'.) Do you really think a whole entire group of people are suddenly gonna start changing the names of what they call things everyday without even thinking about it? What makes you think I need things translated, anyway? In fact, I was complimented several times by various people not related to this list, at how well I can join a conversation without doing the usual American thing and asking what the hell they said, or are talking about! So....the answer would be NO! Red ====================================== http://www.bunnymenlist.com ====================================== ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2003 10:00:17 -0400 From: Red Subject: seven-seas Archbishop of Ranterbury <---(good one!!) :-D Just stumbled across this article while looking for the Fall's website which I haven't found yet....thought some of you may be interested! Profile: Mark E. Smith Manchester's longest serving band The Fall has really been the Mark E. Smith show, plus a bewildering number of line-up changes. The thread that runs through Manchester's music history, and what makes it so vital, is the willingness of bands to do their own thing, buck trends and trust their own judgement. And the greatest, most uncompromising Manc maverick of them all is the Archbishop of Ranterbury, Mark E. Smith. An unstinting work ethic has led Smith with his various cohorts to record at least an album a year since debut long player Live At The Witch Trials in 1979. And his bloody-minded refusal to trade in his own curious creativity for commercial success has led to these records being made with a plethora of labels. But behind them all lies a common bond: muscular rhythm sections, and Smith's idiosyncratic lyrics, which he barks or raps out rather than attempting to sing. His songs are social diatribes and twisted tales delivered with a sardonic sneer. While his lyrics, showing a dextrous use of language, are spat out - stressed syllable by stressed syllable - with a final 'uh' thrown in for good measure. The first albums by the band don't rank as their best with Smith admitting that it was a few years before he took the music seriously, but were still marked out by dazzling word play evident in titles like Spectre vs Rector on second LP Dragnet. Smith soon became famous for his truculent press procastinations and the fervent support of Radio 1 DJ John Peel, but it was only with the introduction of guitarist Brix Smith on The Wonderful And Frightening World of... that Fall albums bit the bullet and inched closer to the mainstream. This Nations Saving Grace stands out as a great Fall album including the brilliant, hypnotic single LA. Another purple patch in the late 80s saw Bend Sinister and The Frenz Experiment mustering reasonable sales and containing classic tracks such as US 80s-90s, and Bremen Nacht. Both albums showed that Smith had lost none of his baffling wordplay or nagging insistent rhythms, yet the work seemed more focused and accessible. Nevertheless, the new pop friendliness of Frenz was followed by the obscurantism of I Am Curious Oranj, although his barking rendition of Blake's Jerusalem was typically memorable. 1990's Extricate album even included a dalliance with club culture on Telephone Thing, made with dance pioneers Coldcut. Whatever the peaks and troughs of Smith's ample back catalogue, he remains a true, cherished and distinctive voice in British music, unsullied by a music business in which he's made his living without selling his soul. Essential Album This Nation's Saving Grace (Beggar?s Banquet, 1985). ====================================== http://www.bunnymenlist.com ====================================== ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2003 15:25:36 +0100 From: "Michael Johnston" Subject: Re: seven-seas Archbishop of Ranterbury <---(good one!!) :-D try http://www.visi.com/fall/ Michael >>> redhead@sunlink.net 03/07/03 15:00:17 >>> Just stumbled across this article while looking for the Fall's website which I haven't found yet....thought some of you may be interested! Profile: Mark E. Smith Manchester's longest serving band The Fall has really been the Mark E. Smith show, plus a bewildering number of line-up changes. The thread that runs through Manchester's music history, and what makes it so vital, is the willingness of bands to do their own thing, buck trends and trust their own judgement. And the greatest, most uncompromising Manc maverick of them all is the Archbishop of Ranterbury, Mark E. Smith. An unstinting work ethic has led Smith with his various cohorts to record at least an album a year since debut long player Live At The Witch Trials in 1979. And his bloody-minded refusal to trade in his own curious creativity for commercial success has led to these records being made with a plethora of labels. But behind them all lies a common bond: muscular rhythm sections, and Smith's idiosyncratic lyrics, which he barks or raps out rather than attempting to sing. His songs are social diatribes and twisted tales delivered with a sardonic sneer. While his lyrics, showing a dextrous use of language, are spat out - stressed syllable by stressed syllable - with a final 'uh' thrown in for good measure. The first albums by the band don't rank as their best with Smith admitting that it was a few years before he took the music seriously, but were still marked out by dazzling word play evident in titles like Spectre vs Rector on second LP Dragnet. Smith soon became famous for his truculent press procastinations and the fervent support of Radio 1 DJ John Peel, but it was only with the introduction of guitarist Brix Smith on The Wonderful And Frightening World of... that Fall albums bit the bullet and inched closer to the mainstream. This Nations Saving Grace stands out as a great Fall album including the brilliant, hypnotic single LA. Another purple patch in the late 80s saw Bend Sinister and The Frenz Experiment mustering reasonable sales and containing classic tracks such as US 80s-90s, and Bremen Nacht. Both albums showed that Smith had lost none of his baffling wordplay or nagging insistent rhythms, yet the work seemed more focused and accessible. Nevertheless, the new pop friendliness of Frenz was followed by the obscurantism of I Am Curious Oranj, although his barking rendition of Blake's Jerusalem was typically memorable. 1990's Extricate album even included a dalliance with club culture on Telephone Thing, made with dance pioneers Coldcut. Whatever the peaks and troughs of Smith's ample back catalogue, he remains a true, cherished and distinctive voice in British music, unsullied by a music business in which he's made his living without selling his soul. Essential Album This Nation's Saving Grace (Beggar?s Banquet, 1985). ====================================== http://www.bunnymenlist.com ====================================== ====================================== http://www.bunnymenlist.com ====================================== ------------------------------ End of seven-seas-digest V2 #514 ********************************