From: owner-seven-seas@smoe.org (seven-seas-digest) To: seven-seas-digest@smoe.org Subject: seven-seas-digest V2 #440 Reply-To: seven-seas@smoe.org Sender: owner-seven-seas@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-seven-seas@smoe.org Precedence: bulk seven-seas-digest Thursday, June 12 2003 Volume 02 : Number 440 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 21:04:29 +0100 From: "Matt H" Subject: Re: RE: OTOT seven-seas The Art of Mac aka Mac Art(hur) >just keep far far away from the Norfolk and Suffolk, >strange 'people' Hey, KP! You gonna kill him, or am I? ;-) Echo and the Bunnymen | the official website: http://www.bunnymen.com ___________________________________________________________ Get your own Web-based E-mail Service at http://www.zzn.com ====================================== http://www.bunnymenlist.com ====================================== ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 15:11:29 -0500 From: "Amy Rupp" Subject: RE: RE: OTOT seven-seas The Art of Mac aka Mac Art(hur) > >just keep far far away from the Norfolk and Suffolk, > >strange 'people' > > Hey, KP! > > You gonna kill him, or am I? You had the good sense to move away. :-) But I think unfortunately you are closer to London. I was *just* remarking that Norfolk has the queerest place names.... (mind out of gutter, I mean strange). Great Yarmouth sounds like a fish to me. "Hey, Bubba, I know where we can catch us some great yarmouth!" And Ipswich sounds like a horse twitching its tail. A "D" added to the front would be even more interesting ;-) Okay, okay, I'll either take or not take my medicine, depending on the problem, and Chris, I'm trying to be good, really I am :-( ====================================== http://www.bunnymenlist.com ====================================== ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 16:36:46 -0400 From: Rob Maher Subject: Re: seven-seas The Art of Mac aka Mac Art(hur) > I do mix up my usage now and then, and like you, I know my place, but I do > also like to throw some curves to my fellow red-blooded, > honest-to-goodness, model Amurrrrricans that fail to realize there are > these pockets of people residing in 'countries' out there... in the > hinterland known as the rest of the world. It's sad. Ah, true true. I think there is much we could learn from many other cultures, but we seem to have this attitude that we are better than everyone else, which is crap(or should I say 'shite'). I really do believe that Europeans seem to know how to enjoy life more than Americans do. I've only spent a couple weeks in Ireland and England about 10 years ago, but I really enjoyed my stay over there. The pace is sooo different. Maybe it was because I was on vacation, but I don't think so. Maybe I'm just tired of living in the Northeast, which as far as I'm concerned is the stress capital of the world. Rob - comments from the rat race. ====================================== http://www.bunnymenlist.com ====================================== ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 16:44:44 -0400 From: Red Subject: seven-seas 3D Liverpool Map (very detailed and cool!) Here's a link to a cool Liverpool map for those planning the trip to the gig up there. http://www.cms.livjm.ac.uk/general/location/map/fullmap.jpg It shows lots of the venues where the Bunnymen have played (well, it doesn't say that, but if ya know what they're called......) Also, here's the info for that Irish pub where the really good food is. Tess Riley's 6 Charlotte Row, Gt. Charlotte Street, Liverpool 0151 708 9626 Red ====================================== http://www.bunnymenlist.com ====================================== ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 16:02:57 -0500 From: "Amy Rupp" Subject: RE: seven-seas The Art of Mac aka Mac Art(hur) > Ah, true true. I think there is much we could learn from > many other > cultures, but we seem to have this attitude that we are > better than everyone > else, which is crap(or should I say 'shite'). I agree -- but don't think we have the monopoly on this. Remember Mike Myers' SNL "If it's not Scottish, it's crrrap" line? Gosh, I feel a Rush moment coming on -- I'll spare y'all, but the song "Territories" speaks to this exact subject. > > The pace is > sooo different. Maybe it was because I was on vacation, but I > don't think > so. Maybe I'm just tired of living in the Northeast, which as > far as I'm > concerned is the stress capital of the world. You are right, it *is*. I was talking to someone in Manhattan and getting them to loosen up and laugh. It wasn't easy. However, the rat race here in America is a very complicated function of societal expectations, government, economical structure -- workers here are pushed far harder than our European/UK counterparts. We work longer hours, have fewer holidays, and fewer benefits. We are not guaranteed health care OR unemployment funds (sometimes you can get the former but sometimes not, and UI expires after a certain period of time). We have the ability to achieve higher incomes than Over There, but we also can fall farther -- the gap between rich and poor is growing by leaps and bounds and has been higher than Europe for most of the last century. Then there's all the "keeping up with the Joneses" crap, and to ensure this, being constantly bombarded with advertisements. When I found out that BBC is commercial-free, I was dumbfounded. I would pay a *lot* of money to have *every damn channel* commercial-free. While there certainly are advertisements in Europe (and television channels other than the BBC in the UK), that was a very revealing fact for me. But because we consume like mad and work like mad, we usually *have* more stuff. Being forced by expectations or desire to work more means more money to spend. Being a nation that has a voracious appetite means driving down the costs for any given item by "buying in bulk" for the entire country. Just being a more populous country than any of the EU countries means that products are usually designed for Americans at a lower price because more sales will be anticipated. If you can resist the temptation to spend, you can save, and then move outta the Northeast to a lower-cost area of the country and be waaaay laid back. Or if you're adventurous, go to Mexico and live like a king. If you try to move to Europe as a foreigner you'll find that the cost of living is so high that it's difficult to retire there. Not impossible, but more expensive. Having compared a *lot* of the details of everyday life I *know* that in general it's a hell of a rat race all over this country. For starters, we don't have pubs :-) many folks don't know their neighbours. We have little sense of community, and we move more often and farther away. I've always been pressed for time, and now, as a single parent, I feel it keenly. I didn't have a honeymoon, and I haven't taken a vacation longer than a week in nearly 20 years, even when I wasn't working. Yes, there are exceptions; you can run a hell of a rat-race in London, and escape it in small-town America, but in general, life is fast and hard here. ====================================== http://www.bunnymenlist.com ====================================== ------------------------------ End of seven-seas-digest V2 #440 ********************************