From: owner-seven-seas@smoe.org (seven-seas-digest) To: seven-seas-digest@smoe.org Subject: seven-seas-digest V2 #426 Reply-To: seven-seas@smoe.org Sender: owner-seven-seas@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-seven-seas@smoe.org Precedence: bulk seven-seas-digest Wednesday, June 11 2003 Volume 02 : Number 426 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 08:16:04 -0400 From: Red Subject: Re: seven-seas Shorter Art Of Mac At 12:32 AM 6/11/03 -0400, you wrote: > >Another odd thing that I've notice about myself (and I know this is >blasphemy) but I play >WAYGTDWYL, Flowers and now Slideling so much these last couple of years, >that it seems like >that I've "retired" the first four Bunny masterpieces. I must be really bad....coz I don't even remember what some of those songs sound like unless I play the cds! *gasp* When I'm in a Bunnymen mood...the first thing I reach for is HUH...or one of the first 4, or Evergreen. And everyone knows my opinion of WAYGTDWYL......Flowers is okay, but I just don't seem to play it much either. (Still haven't got Slideling) Maybe I'll dust off Flowers today. Red ====================================== http://www.bunnymenlist.com ====================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 08:52:22 -0400 From: Red Subject: Re: seven-seas Fav Will's stuff At 12:39 AM 6/11/03 -0400, you wrote: >Hey, Red, you never answered teh lst poll question about your fav Will >recording. >I know it's a tough a question, Oh yeah.....sorry.....well, you're right about it being tough.... I do like all of it!! But I know I've mentioned something about this once before in some other thread, but, when I play Will's cds...I play them from start to finish and sometimes you can't tell when one song ends and the next begins and I've never actually studied the titles of the darn songs!! (I'm like that with LOTS of bands) So, I really can't tell you which ones I like best. I'd have to go play them and listen and then check to see what they're called....and normally I'm running around here doing too many things to be doing that, so I'm content to just listen to them. I DO know them by hearing them..... and can recognize them when he plays them live... but I just don't know the names of them all off the top of my head. But of the ones I do know...my faves are The Skylon, Cosmos, and Frozen Teardrop in Space! That song is almost an ablbum in itself though, but very spooky and deep! Suplimentary Entry of a Cosmic Nature EP is pretty groovy too. But I don't play that very often coz it's vinyl, and my turntable is not in a convenient location! argh! I REALLY need to do soemthing about that! Red ====================================== http://www.bunnymenlist.com ====================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 10:06:36 -0400 From: Red Subject: Re: seven-seas The Art of Mac aka Mac Art(hur) At 01:08 AM 6/11/03 -0500, you wrote: >the same; the best you can do is to be "well-preserved" and at worst >people say "she really hasn't aged well." No matter how much her fans >like the early outfits, wearing them at age 43 might not be the wisest >thing to do -- instead, outfits that highlight her strongpoints at age >*43* are the way to go. Wow! That's a switch, isn't it? You're usually going on and on and on about how Mac needs to quit smoking and start singing the way he used to. Red ====================================== http://www.bunnymenlist.com ====================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 11:19:26 -0500 From: "Martha Smith" Subject: Re: seven-seas The Art of Mac aka Mac Art(hur) > His lyrics for WAYGTDWYL, Flowers and Slideling seem effortless maybe even > easy to be written > by Ian McCulloch, > His lyrics have become more plain-spoken, but I suspect that may not translate into "easy to be written". It seems to me his writing has depth. For example, I think "Burn For Me" -- one of my favorite songs -- can and probably should be interpreted several ways. Read it over and contemplate. - - Kristin :) ====================================== http://www.bunnymenlist.com ====================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 12:33:07 -0400 From: "Chris Adams" Subject: Re: seven-seas The Art of Mac aka Mac Art(hur) I think Mac's a pretty intuitive writer. I know that he tends to write his lyrics pretty quickly. ("Little Dwarf", anyone?) And I don't think he gets too hung up on "meaning," particularly. I think it's more about creating a vibe, to be honest. I mean, certainly there are songs that are "about" things, but generally I think he writes what comes to him and, after an edit or two, lets 'em go. Again, this isn't saying they're meaningless, any more than any type of self-expression is. (EG. Jackson Pollock painted intuitively, in the moment, and, although you'd be hard-pressed to determine a pre-conceived "meaning" for the painting, it still has an undeniable cause, purpose, and effect.) I think the mark of a great writer--songwriter or otherwise--is to be able to capture something complex and/or personal--be it an idea, or an emotion, or whatever--and express it simply, in human terms, with a fairly universal appeal. And Mac's a master at that. That said, I think there are several obvious lyrical themes running through "Slideling", especially on songs like "Seasons" and "Kansas." I think people tend to over-analyze lyrics a little bit, especially with artists they really dig. I can see how the artist might feel flattered, but at the same time, I'm certain that it's the listener's natrual interpretation that's most important, on an individualized basis. Let's face it, anyone who thinks young Mr. Mac actually had specific, heavy-handed artistic/symbolic intentions behind "c-c-c-cucumber" has clearly eaten a few too many moonbars. - --Chris A. "Martha Smith" Sent by: owner-seven-seas@smoe.org 11-Jun-2003 12:19 PM Please respond to seven-seas To: cc: Subject: Re: seven-seas The Art of Mac aka Mac Art(hur) > His lyrics for WAYGTDWYL, Flowers and Slideling seem effortless maybe even > easy to be written > by Ian McCulloch, > His lyrics have become more plain-spoken, but I suspect that may not translate into "easy to be written". It seems to me his writing has depth. For example, I think "Burn For Me" -- one of my favorite songs -- can and probably should be interpreted several ways. Read it over and contemplate. - - Kristin :) ====================================== http://www.bunnymenlist.com ====================================== ====================================== http://www.bunnymenlist.com ====================================== ------------------------------ End of seven-seas-digest V2 #426 ********************************