From: owner-seven-seas@smoe.org (seven-seas-digest) To: seven-seas-digest@smoe.org Subject: seven-seas-digest V2 #327 Reply-To: seven-seas@smoe.org Sender: owner-seven-seas@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-seven-seas@smoe.org Precedence: bulk seven-seas-digest Wednesday, May 28 2003 Volume 02 : Number 327 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 12:02:24 -0500 (CDT) From: Amy Moseley Rupp Subject: seven-seas Pete Yawn....er Yorn followup My brother and sister-in-law were over again last evening to crack the whip over my head about reorganising the house so they can move in. (Remember, they are Pete Yorn fans.) They'd met Pete a few nights ago and gotten his autograph. My brother said a bit cautiously that Pete was a bit full of himself (my SIL shot him a dirty look for that). He'd congratulated Pete on having a song on a commercial for the Red Cross, and Pete had said, "Yeah, I gave them that one," as in he'd done the world a huge favour at his expense. In order to prevent a domestic quarrel I said, "yeah, but remember when we met Mac? he was definitely a bit full of himself too," to which my brother dreamily replied, "yeah, but he was COOL, when I was leaving he said 'Are you leaving? The party's just getting started!'" (God my brother makes friends with *everyone* -- Mac'd seemed a bit aloof with me so I had gone to talk to Will who was much nicer.) (And no, I was *not* drooling all over myself, though I *was* horribly self-conscious and smiling a bit too brightly and trying NOT to stare at Mac who you all know I find fetching almost beyond control) Anyway my oldest daughter asked "who's Pete Yorn" and my brother answered "a singer" and my daughter said "what kind?" and my SIL said "a rock singer" and luckily at that moment I was throwing something into the trash can so no one could see my face as I did one of those Wayne's World "bullshit!" coughs. Should I make my SIL wear earphones if she wants to listen to Pete Yorn? And for some odd reason my eldest had chosen to embroider a bunny AND tin punch a bunny for Pioneer Days -- the tin punch is to make a decorative old-timey lamp. Most kids would have done the state of Texas, or a cactus, or a longhorn cow, or something Western, but mine did double bunnies :-) - --Amy, mum to Bunnyfans and Zimbo fans (I've lost count now of how many times we've heard "The Paint Song" which is what Matt's remix is called around here, for no obvious reason -- hey, unless Katharine is channelling "All My Colours" (laughs)) ====================================== http://www.bunnymenlist.com ====================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 13:08:33 -0400 From: Rob Maher Subject: Re: seven-seas mac article (for chris) > He's a very, very intelligent individual and > yet lacks a particular focus or drive, which he explains as > being a bit of a dreamer. Except for the fact that he has enough drive to still make a living in the music biz after two decades. Not particularly easy. Many of the other bands I listened to in the 80's are now regular working Joe's like you and me, because their careers eventually fizzled. ====================================== http://www.bunnymenlist.com ====================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 12:11:30 -0500 (CDT) From: Amy Moseley Rupp Subject: Re: seven-seas mac article (for chris) > Except for the fact that he has enough drive to still make a living in > the music biz after two decades. Not particularly easy. Many of the other > bands I listened to in the 80's are now regular working Joe's like you and > me, because their careers eventually fizzled. I think he wouldn't know what else to BE except a rock singer ;-) I'm not saying he doesn't have a *drive* at all, but he's certainly not hyperfocussed on any one thing -- other than being cool ;-) And I'm NOT a working Joe -- I am a unemployed to underemployed Jane who wants to be a writer :-P though I was a working Jane until 1999. :-0 - --Amy ====================================== http://www.bunnymenlist.com ====================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 18:11:55 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Stu=20Bird?= Subject: Re: seven-seas mac article (for chris) Hmm.. The class issue in the UK is extremely complex due to the length of our history. It has been changing constantly since the Feudal System, and still does, at different rates in different areas. What was considered Upper, Middle and Working class in the 60's is far different from now. Way too complex too explain properly on here. These days, it's more of a mindset thing than a money thing down here in the South West. Having just written and deleted loads of stuff, I'll leave it at that otherwise it's gonna cause flame wars.. Stu This week I am mostly listening to .... John Lee Hooker Amy Moseley Rupp wrote: What I find interesting is that _Never Stop_ seems to implicate that Mac had a rather *middle* class upbringing -- and I need to explain that one a little bit -- what we in the US would call middle class. Some one needs to correct me if I'm wrong, but normally in the UK you wouldn't get that kind of upbringing and general level of education *unless* you were not strictly of working-class parents. So I find it a bit odd that a) he says his family enjoyed the standard of living they did despite his dad's compulsive gambling and because his dad was good at avoiding the bill collectors and that b) Pete was a bit "posh." In terms of snobbery about food/drink/clothes/ hair, Mac could be a bit of a snob as well. Did he mean Pete was more a conformist to the "posh" standards? In the 80s in the US, this would mean wearing Izod shirts ;-) and Sperry topsiders and button-down pastel Oxfords. I think that Mac just thought frying up egg buttys after a show wasn't *cool*. I don't know that eating *any* kind of a solid meal would have struck him as *cool*. Remember, we're talking Mac at what, 28 at most? Coked out and at the top of his game and fame and fortune? He's never particularly struck me as an Everyman save for footie. In fact, I think that that's the only thing that draws him *out* of listening to the voices in his head -- and the fact that there are several of them is what takes him off on all those tangents. He seems to live in a world unto himself. He's a very, very intelligent individual and yet lacks a particular focus or drive, which he explains as being a bit of a dreamer. I think if he *did* have a yen to go in ONE direction a la Bill Gates, he'd be a lot more boring a person. I'm bound to catch a considerable amount of stick for psychoanalysing Our Hero, who some prefer to be enigmatic, and I am also willing to eat a lot of humble pie served by those who obviously know him better than I. - --Amy ====================================== http://www.bunnymenlist.com ====================================== - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Plus - For a better Internet experience ====================================== http://www.bunnymenlist.com ====================================== ------------------------------ End of seven-seas-digest V2 #327 ********************************