From: owner-seven-seas@smoe.org (seven-seas-digest) To: seven-seas-digest@smoe.org Subject: seven-seas-digest V2 #318 Reply-To: seven-seas@smoe.org Sender: owner-seven-seas@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-seven-seas@smoe.org Precedence: bulk seven-seas-digest Monday, May 26 2003 Volume 02 : Number 318 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 12:15:01 -0500 (CDT) From: Amy Moseley Rupp Subject: Re: seven-seas mac article > I'm sort of in and out of this list so I don't know if this article has been > brought up or not, but what's the deal? It's written from Mac's point of > view and is rather interesting, but I can't imagine he actually had anything > to do with it. He's not usually this earnest or so directly confessional. He can be if in the right mood, and nothing he says surprises me. Does he really live in London now? I thought he lived in Liverpool. > He was like Eric Morecambe meets Bill Shankly. I've turned into him, > totally. I always think you can get away with anything by being a cheeky > little bastard. Does every man turn into their father and woman into their mother? If so, when dating, skip meeting your date, meet their parents! > The older you get, the less you like the night. When I was a kid I loved > dark nights because it meant I could play Leonard Cohen and David Bowie. I > hate the dark now. I can understand why old people sod off to Spain. The > sun's a sign of life. You need it more the older you get. I've often wondered about that. I still love the night, but not in the prowly out-on-the-town it's-dark-so-one-can-do-drugs-or-have-sex kind of way as when I was younger. One of the sad realities of life is that by the time you get your own pad, you no longer do drugs or have sex. Go figure. Anyway, if Mac lived here he too might not like Mr Sun so much because Mr Sun roasts and burns and kills, but yeah, as one gets older one also doesn't want to mess with wellies or rubbers (I've never had any rain gear other than an umbrella, same for snow gear, don't want to mess with it!) > It's hard to handle your own mouth sometimes. Amen. It's your worst enemy; though I think guys have another body part that can compete for that title! When you talk a lot you'll inevitably say something that will piss someone off or something that's incorrect. People that talk a lot are perceived as being full of themselves when really they are just emptying themselves out! If no one talked it'd be hard to connect. But if you talk a lot people will wait to catch you out when you've said something incorrect, which is rather petty. I guess to be safe and acceptable it'd be best to keep your mouth shut and your pants zipped. > Turning 40 made me realise that I want to get to 80. Prior to that I thought > I was invincible, that nothing happens to you if you're having a crack. Hmmmmm.... that's the meaning I took from "it's half-past yours and mine" and "running through the seasons" -- that he realises that time is running out and he wants more! > Our drummer Pete de Freitas wasn't from Liverpool, he was posh. He was > dragged off to New Orleans by his mates and they spent all his money. > Looking back, Pete seemed to be on a long suicide mission. He'd been on to > ecstasy when it first started, before any of the Manchester dudes, and he > was hammering it. He schizo'd out. More than anything I thought: 'You cheeky > git, how can you do this to the Bunnymen?' Is anyone who isn't Liverpudlian "posh"?? AFAIK only Matt here lives in a posh place; that doesn't equate into running off to New Orleans. There are plenty of self-destructive people who seem bent on doing themselves in. Usually they don't like themselves enough. Having someone like Mac round telling you you don't fit in must've been a big help. I often wonder why he stuck with it, or why Mac didn't try to order him out. My boss said of Kurt Cobain, "Man, I would have personally paid for his Prozac. He had so much more to offer." I feel the same way about Pete. > I don't do breakdowns. Everybody has thought some time in their life: 'Could > I ever kill myself, if it got that bad?' But I always think: 'Not if there's > football on.' Oh please! :-) I guess I just don't like sports enough. Besides, what if there was a power cut? I don't guess the players there have ever called a strike. If they did, would the public drag them out of their houses and onto the pitch? I think so! > years with the drink and the drugs. I was always having a laugh, or I > thought I was. In fact, I was completely lost, really. But to be honest, it > was good to go to that place, and I'm not sure I've come back from it. It's > normal for me to be confused, and all over the shop emotionally. Is that a common phrase there, all over the shop? Sounds a lot like me. > The secret of a good marriage is being a good liar. I don't mean to hurt > people, but it happens. Me and Lorraine have been together for 20 years so > it works somehow. Love helps, too. This is what I said "hmmmm" about when the reviewer said that Mac sounds "very much in love." The only way the above strategy works is if the other spouse is willing to put up with lies. I don't know how you can love one person and shag someone else, but apparently this is easier for guys. Perhaps women don't give guys enough credit for how tempting women are. It'd be interesting to experience the world as a man and see if I could be so self-controlled. > Football is more important than music. Football is the only time I like > being part of 40,000 people. And with music, the last thing I want to be is > part of a crowd. I want to be me, on my own. All the bands who do stadium tours would do well to read the above. It'd be better to do smaller places more nights, but it'd be more work and less profitable. - --Amy, feeling reflective ====================================== http://www.bunnymenlist.com ====================================== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 13:31:53 -0400 From: Red Subject: more OT: Re: seven-seas mac article At 12:15 PM 5/26/03 -0500, you wrote: > >Is anyone who isn't Liverpudlian "posh"?? AFAIK only Matt here lives >in a posh place; um....I didn't know Somerset was Posh! So...is cider considered a posh drink then?? hahahhaaa Red ====================================== http://www.bunnymenlist.com ====================================== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 12:24:12 -0500 (CDT) From: Amy Moseley Rupp Subject: Re: seven-seas mac article > Thanks Stu. I still can't get over Mac making himself so vulnerable in an > interview setting! With relatively few words he's revealed an awful lot. I think he's said most of what was there before -- just not all at one time, or quite so plainly. I guess what surprised me most was a seeming lack of sadness at losing his dad and Pete so close together. At the time, everyone said he was pretty devastated -- was that the reason for the drugs-and-drink spree, or just an excuse? I guess I still don't understand why Mac left the Bunnymen. ====================================== http://www.bunnymenlist.com ====================================== ------------------------------ End of seven-seas-digest V2 #318 ********************************