From: owner-seven-seas@smoe.org (seven-seas-digest) To: seven-seas-digest@smoe.org Subject: seven-seas-digest V1 #105 Reply-To: seven-seas@smoe.org Sender: owner-seven-seas@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-seven-seas@smoe.org Precedence: bulk seven-seas-digest Monday, December 30 2002 Volume 01 : Number 105 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 03:20:58 -0600 (CST) From: amyr@jump.net (Amy Moseley Rupp) Subject: Re: seven-seas Choices > Mr McCulloch, if you may, do you mind so very much if you:- > quit smoking because it means a lot to me. > > I don't know ... wouldn't it be kind of like saying to a lady friend: > do you mind so very much if you stopped dieting because it's so > unnatural, and it means a lot to me? (Again on a philosophical level) > I would expect an answer like: what's that got to do with you? > > I'm very aggressive against the possessive nature of fans because in > the extreme case John Lennon got shot. And witness the movie "The > Fan" with Robert DeNiro. I tend to think that it's real. Er, I'm in no way possessive of *anyone* in the way Lennon's killer was. If you knew me you'd laugh at that idea. And have you considered the case of asking someone to do something positive for themselves *because you genuinely care about them*? I'm guilty as charged of that offence, but again, when my advice isn't taken, I don't force it. Mac? I don't know him well enough to ask him *personally* to quit shortening his life. I only know his gift, and I wish for his sake and for mine as a fan that he'd not prematurely lose it. I don't know him -- I can't *ask* him -- but I can say that if I had his ear as an agent, a bandmate, a friend, whatever, that's what I would say. - --Amy ====================================== http://www.bunnymenlist.com ====================================== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 07:15:20 -0500 From: "Stephen Vilnius" Subject: Re: seven-seas-digest V1 #103 > > >>You people are getting really possessive. > >I, too, may choose at some point in the future not to listen to any >more new Bunnymen stuff because the music is not appealing to me, or >the vocal GONE. But what is the problem? We know the artist smoke so >there is the culprit. But do I need to check on his health every time >something doesn't sound right? For all I care he might be having >cramps while crooning so the voice goes wrong and so one more disc is >removed from my collection. And if you feel cheated I might like to >remind some of you that at least some on-line shops let you preview >an album before you buy it. You might like to start doing that. But >why is Mac's life so intertwined with your life that you start >thinking his not smoking is your crusade? Can you for once treat this >with a simple economic study: voice less good = less fans? Does that >bother you? Maybe you can discuss this with him over tea tomorrow? > >RGDS > >bn > Well, when I think of EATB, about the last thing I think about, was if his voice was up to MY standards the last time I heard him (it WAS actually) I DO think about what cool songs they have written and hopefully will get going on some new ones soon; AND how nice Mac and Will have been toward me the 3 or 4 times I've lucked out and met them before or after gigs. I also still swear that Mac is still beyond cool onstage, ciggie or not. Peace, Love, and Tie Dye, STeve V > >====================================== >http://www.bunnymenlist.com > >====================================== > >------------------------------ > >Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 10:43:10 +0800 >From: Bun Ng >Subject: Re: seven-seas Choices > >I think there lies the problem. I can understand if Mac wishes Will >to leave. But I wouldn't quite understand how you can wish Will >leave. Because if you can wish Will leave, then I'd wish Backstreet >Boys stop doing "music". I'd wish Joe Strummer didn't die. > >I can't remember which celebrity said this, it's the actor who was >very close to the firefighters in New York. He said we should all >have the rights to send all those "artists" who do not write their >own songs or play their instruments into outer space, when he learnt >that whoever that guy was was having problem joining the Russian >space program. It's a joke. But that really sums it up. Do you think >you can send them to outer space? Do you think you can wish that >maybe Celine Dion doesn't sing like that (well some of you might >happen to like it, though). Fine, you can discuss it, and I guess >nobody can stop someone else "wishing". But do you actually think it >makes sense? > >I remember this line from the movie "84 Charlie Mopic". A Sergeant >said to two guys who keeps wishing for cold beer and getting the >hands on sportscars, etc, while they were in a jam and in a rush to >get away: why don't you wish in one hand and shit in the other and >see which one get full first? This one cracks me up. > > > > >If Will decided to take up some weird fetish and scar up his hands, > >and continued to do so, I'd be just as horrified and wish he'd quit. > > > >Sometimes there is a choice between having a talent and keeping > >that talent and displaying that talent, and being cool. > >RGDS > >bn > > > >====================================== >http://www.bunnymenlist.com > >====================================== > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 21:18:06 -0600 (CST) >From: amyr@jump.net (Amy Moseley Rupp) >Subject: Re: seven-seas Choices > > > I think there lies the problem. I can understand if Mac wishes Will > > to leave. But I wouldn't quite understand how you can wish Will > > leave. Because if you can wish Will leave, then I'd wish Backstreet > > Boys stop doing "music". I'd wish Joe Strummer didn't die. > >Bun, I never ever said I wanted Will to leave. I'm a big fan of >his absolute genius and patience with Mac. And how can you wish >a group would *stop* making music for their own "fans" as crap >as that music might be? And I don't want ANYONE to die, least >of all Joe Strummer. > >Here's the deal: > >* if wishes were horses, I would be outta Dodge ;-) > >* what is the difference between wishing a band would > >a) play your city >b) cover a certain song >c) release remasters >d) throw out a member >e) add a member > >We as fans can wish all we want. Does it mean they gotta do it? NO. > >My point about Will was that I'd be equally saddened if he were to >hasten the demise of his own talent -- it isn't just about a voice, >or about Mac. Apply that to *ANY* musician. Apply that to a friend >who led a life of youthful excess and now has skin that looks like >Silly Putty. Or needs a liver transplant. Oy. > >Last bite for me for tonight. The rest of it's up to the puppy. > > > >====================================== >http://www.bunnymenlist.com > >====================================== > >------------------------------ > >End of seven-seas-digest V1 #103 >******************************** _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ====================================== http://www.bunnymenlist.com ====================================== ------------------------------ End of seven-seas-digest V1 #105 ********************************