From: owner-seven-seas@smoe.org (seven-seas-digest) To: seven-seas-digest@smoe.org Subject: seven-seas-digest V1 #103 Reply-To: seven-seas@smoe.org Sender: owner-seven-seas@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-seven-seas@smoe.org Precedence: bulk seven-seas-digest Sunday, December 29 2002 Volume 01 : Number 103 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 19:47:35 -0600 (CST) From: amyr@jump.net (Amy Moseley Rupp) Subject: Re: seven-seas Choices > It's still a free country. Do what you like. Feel what you like. Which country? LOL Yes, we are free -- but we should also be free to discuss our varied opinions here as well and be granted respect. I'd hate for seven-seas to come to "you must like all things Bunnymen and never ever criticise" because that wouldn't be honest or free, either. If Will decided to take up some weird fetish and scar up his hands, and continued to do so, I'd be just as horrified and wish he'd quit. Sometimes there is a choice between having a talent and keeping that talent and displaying that talent, and being cool. I know what I've chosen in my life. Some of the latter, but mostly the former. - --Amy ====================================== http://www.bunnymenlist.com ====================================== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 10:00:29 +0800 From: Bun Ng Subject: Re: seven-seas Choices You must be the Bunnymen manager. > Mac doesn't have a ciggie in EVERY photo ever taken. As far as >pulling out an old album and CD and Bang, you're back, it comes down >to wanting him to pull off older material live as well as he used >to. Hey, McCartney still sounds about perfect on he old Beatle >songs, and he's 60, at least 15 years older than our beloved Mac. >Ultimately, it's his choice of course; he still sounds good in a >different way, not any less just different, but, I would imagine >live shows generate a reasonable portion on the Bunnymen income, and >they may need that money when they decide touring is no longer >something they want to do anymore. I don't believe they have a 401k >or retirement pension for rock stars. > Come on, I'm NOT bringing that up because he's "icon of the new generation", at least I never felt a bit hurt with his departure. But what if Kurt Cobain is just a "headline" in the newspaper, as someone who committed suicide. Would you be that uncompassionate? >(What can you say about Kurt >>Cobain? Don't hold a gun in your hand? > > Kurt Cobain was a spoiled cry baby who could have gotten help and >not been a coward. His wife may have been intolerable but he had a >daughter. I do NOT feel sorry for these supposed "icons of the new >generation"; if you don't want to be that person anymore, do as >Johnny Rotten said when the Sex Pistols ended, and walk away. > > Steve V You people are getting really possessive. I, too, may choose at some point in the future not to listen to any more new Bunnymen stuff because the music is not appealing to me, or the vocal GONE. But what is the problem? We know the artist smoke so there is the culprit. But do I need to check on his health every time something doesn't sound right? For all I care he might be having cramps while crooning so the voice goes wrong and so one more disc is removed from my collection. And if you feel cheated I might like to remind some of you that at least some on-line shops let you preview an album before you buy it. You might like to start doing that. But why is Mac's life so intertwined with your life that you start thinking his not smoking is your crusade? Can you for once treat this with a simple economic study: voice less good = less fans? Does that bother you? Maybe you can discuss this with him over tea tomorrow? RGDS bn ====================================== http://www.bunnymenlist.com ====================================== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 10:43:10 +0800 From: Bun Ng Subject: Re: seven-seas Choices I think there lies the problem. I can understand if Mac wishes Will to leave. But I wouldn't quite understand how you can wish Will leave. Because if you can wish Will leave, then I'd wish Backstreet Boys stop doing "music". I'd wish Joe Strummer didn't die. I can't remember which celebrity said this, it's the actor who was very close to the firefighters in New York. He said we should all have the rights to send all those "artists" who do not write their own songs or play their instruments into outer space, when he learnt that whoever that guy was was having problem joining the Russian space program. It's a joke. But that really sums it up. Do you think you can send them to outer space? Do you think you can wish that maybe Celine Dion doesn't sing like that (well some of you might happen to like it, though). Fine, you can discuss it, and I guess nobody can stop someone else "wishing". But do you actually think it makes sense? I remember this line from the movie "84 Charlie Mopic". A Sergeant said to two guys who keeps wishing for cold beer and getting the hands on sportscars, etc, while they were in a jam and in a rush to get away: why don't you wish in one hand and shit in the other and see which one get full first? This one cracks me up. > >If Will decided to take up some weird fetish and scar up his hands, >and continued to do so, I'd be just as horrified and wish he'd quit. > >Sometimes there is a choice between having a talent and keeping >that talent and displaying that talent, and being cool. RGDS bn ====================================== http://www.bunnymenlist.com ====================================== ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 21:18:06 -0600 (CST) From: amyr@jump.net (Amy Moseley Rupp) Subject: Re: seven-seas Choices > I think there lies the problem. I can understand if Mac wishes Will > to leave. But I wouldn't quite understand how you can wish Will > leave. Because if you can wish Will leave, then I'd wish Backstreet > Boys stop doing "music". I'd wish Joe Strummer didn't die. Bun, I never ever said I wanted Will to leave. I'm a big fan of his absolute genius and patience with Mac. And how can you wish a group would *stop* making music for their own "fans" as crap as that music might be? And I don't want ANYONE to die, least of all Joe Strummer. Here's the deal: * if wishes were horses, I would be outta Dodge ;-) * what is the difference between wishing a band would a) play your city b) cover a certain song c) release remasters d) throw out a member e) add a member We as fans can wish all we want. Does it mean they gotta do it? NO. My point about Will was that I'd be equally saddened if he were to hasten the demise of his own talent -- it isn't just about a voice, or about Mac. Apply that to *ANY* musician. Apply that to a friend who led a life of youthful excess and now has skin that looks like Silly Putty. Or needs a liver transplant. Oy. Last bite for me for tonight. The rest of it's up to the puppy. ====================================== http://www.bunnymenlist.com ====================================== ------------------------------ End of seven-seas-digest V1 #103 ********************************