From: owner-seven-seas@smoe.org (seven-seas-moderated-digest) To: seven-seas-moderated-digest@smoe.org Subject: seven-seas-moderated-digest V2 #271 Reply-To: seven-seas@smoe.org Sender: owner-seven-seas@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-seven-seas@smoe.org Precedence: bulk seven-seas-moderated-digest Wednesday, October 29 2003 Volume 02 : Number 271 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 09:02:22 -0600 (CST) From: amyr@jump.net (Amy Moseley Rupp) Subject: seven-seas-moderated "play it safe" setlist This is something I've been thinking about for a while..... People have been hinting strongly that someone is keeping the set list predictable and safe ..... and given that there are really two Bunnymen, I'd guess it's Mac. Are the other members on stage considered session players, or members of the band? If they are session players, they ought to be able to replicate just about anything in a short period of time. Of course, it won't have the same nuances as did the parts played by Les and Pete. But if that were *my* job? I'd've learnt the entire back catalogue (including Efix and MkII) a long time ago, because Mac and Will would effectively be my bosses. If, OTOH, they are members of the band, and not expected to practise any more often than getting together with Mac and Will, and focussed on the newer material, ought not they be given the status of Bunnymen? I don't even know the name of the fellow who drummed for REM when I saw them, but I'll say this: there were only a few moments when I missed Bill Berry, and most of it was for familiarity's sake rather than a mistake on the drummer's part. You can change up a setlist as often as you like if you're willing to put in the practise on off days or during soundchecks. Two-hour soundchecks are not uncommon for some bands, and they use the time to write new material as well as rehearse an addition to a setlist. I think Mac is playing it safe, doing songs that he knows his voice will do very well on, or are mega hits that casual fans are expecting. I'd also imagine he doesn't spend much time in rehearsal; I can see that coming more from Will, working with the other instrumentalists. ====================================== The Official Seven-Seas Web Page. www.bunnymenlist.com ====================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 08:30:24 -0800 From: "Ivan Smith" Subject: seven-seas-moderated Re: seven-seas "play it safe" setlist The way it works - Will comes up with a list of songs he wants do to Mac comes up with his They whittle it down a bit Will rehearses the band on that list Mac comes in at that point, and they work it out from there... At some point, between the beginning of rehearsals and the tour, the setlist becomes what we've seen. I do agree with Chris' comment yesterday that perhaps we all have just too many shows - the majority of ticketbuyers, who are the thousands of people NOT active in the web community - EXPECT to hear a lot of the songs in the setlist that we're getting tired of... Funny, I was listening to the 1988 BBC Radio One CD yesterday, and was surprised at the huge cheers when Mac said "this one is Bedbugs and Ballyhoo"... Unfortunately, THAT is the typical concert-goer - they know the popsongs, not the b-sides and album cuts. - -I - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Moseley Rupp" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 7:02 AM Subject: seven-seas "play it safe" setlist > This is something I've been thinking about for a while..... > > People have been hinting strongly that someone is keeping > the set list predictable and safe ..... and given that > there are really two Bunnymen, I'd guess it's Mac. > > Are the other members on stage considered session players, > or members of the band? > > If they are session players, they ought to be able to replicate just > about anything in a short period of time. Of course, it won't have the > same nuances as did the parts played by Les and Pete. But if that > were *my* job? I'd've learnt the entire back catalogue (including > Efix and MkII) a long time ago, because Mac and Will > would effectively be my bosses. > > If, OTOH, they are members of the band, and not expected > to practise any more often than getting together with > Mac and Will, and focussed on the newer material, ought > not they be given the status of Bunnymen? > > I don't even know the name of the fellow who drummed for > REM when I saw them, but I'll say this: there were only > a few moments when I missed Bill Berry, and most of > it was for familiarity's sake rather than a mistake on > the drummer's part. > > You can change up a setlist as often as you like if you're willing to > put in the practise on off days or during soundchecks. Two-hour > soundchecks are not uncommon for some bands, and they use the time to > write new material as well as rehearse an addition to a setlist. > > I think Mac is playing it safe, doing songs that he knows his voice > will do very well on, or are mega hits that casual fans are expecting. > I'd also imagine he doesn't spend much time in rehearsal; I can see > that coming more from Will, working with the other instrumentalists. > > > > ====================================== > http://www.bunnymenlist.com > > ====================================== > - --- It isn't my fault! All outgoing mail from this computer is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.530 / Virus Database: 325 - Release Date: 10/22/2003 ====================================== The Official Seven-Seas Web Page. www.bunnymenlist.com ====================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 11:53:55 -0500 From: Red Subject: seven-seas-moderated Re: seven-seas "play it safe" setlist At 08:30 AM 10/29/03 -0800, you wrote: >I do agree with Chris' comment yesterday that perhaps we all have just >too many shows - the majority of ticketbuyers, who are the thousands of >people NOT active in the web community - EXPECT to hear a lot of the >songs in the setlist that we're getting tired of... and I'll repeat what I said over on VT... I just told a long time friend of mine (who has been a mild bunnyfan for as long as I've been a hardcore fan)......told her the NJ setlist and how the fans are all bitching coz they want different stuff... and she said: having never seen the band live, i wouldn't mind that setlist. :) but you hardcore fans, on the other hand...i can see where you'd be like, "play that unreleased b-side from 1986" or something. There.....that must be the band's exact logic. I also said I'd die a little happier if they'd ever play No Dark Things which I know they at least rehearsed.....but I'll still never EVER tire of hearing Crocodiles, Heads Will Roll, Back of Love or the Cutter live!! And especially Over The Wall....I get chills EVERY time I hear the first note of that one live!! :-) Red ====================================== The Official Seven-Seas Web Page. www.bunnymenlist.com ====================================== ------------------------------ End of seven-seas-moderated-digest V2 #271 ******************************************