From: owner-seven-seas@smoe.org (seven-seas-moderated-digest) To: seven-seas-moderated-digest@smoe.org Subject: seven-seas-moderated-digest V2 #10 Reply-To: seven-seas@smoe.org Sender: owner-seven-seas@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-seven-seas@smoe.org Precedence: bulk seven-seas-moderated-digest Saturday, January 4 2003 Volume 02 : Number 010 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 19:22:21 -0800 (PST) From: Andrew Ironside Subject: seven-seas-moderated Re: Re: seven-seas Joe Strummer Dead Ah the tortured artist, Morrison's dead so these guys should throw caution to the wind too? The problem I have with artists such as Mac and Strummer is that they are still or were still good. A creative rebirth so to speak, and when they aren't around to enjoy it, it's a shame, especially comsidering Strummer was working on his third album. As for Mac, smoking and what not hasn't done his voice any favours, I mean he sounds more like Leonard cohen than Bod Dylan now, but you can tell he hasn't been taking care of himself. Same goes for Liam gallagher, he doesn't even sound like the Liam of 8 years ago let alone the Mac of 20 yrs! I mean the effects of age are uncontrollable, but it's sad to see someone hasten the process. Bun Ng wrote:I hope this not to be a forum for any anti-smoking or drinking platform. What's this concern about health? The guy's an artist, I believe we have to accept him as he is. Jim Morrison quoted "The road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom." Some artists are just that and we have to accept that. Sure we are sad they are dead, but why put them on a pedestal? The death of any artist is a sad thing, and Morrison clearly died of excess; so that ends an era. Michaelangelo's dead too. He probably didn't smoke or drink. Do you want him to live forever? I learnt from "Turquoise Days" that Mac once became something of an alcoholic, when he was going solo. It appears he's now out of that phase, so that's that. Not that I wish Mac to drink or smoke, but he is what he is. Who cares what happened to Chris Martins or Snoop Dogg (I happen not to)? RGDS bn >Chris doesn't need that stuff, he's got Gwyneth Paltrow. I guess >Natalie Imbruglia wasn't pretty enough. Hard to dislike the guy >though, I've tried, it doesn't work. Mac and Richard Bulter would >make excellent spokesmen for an anti-smoking campaign. Even Snoop >Dogg has quit the ganja. >A.I. > Shaz wrote:maybe he will if he follows >Chris Martins lead (no drinking or drugs) like >he said but I doubt >it somehow. >Shaz ====================================== http://www.bunnymenlist.com ====================================== Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ====================================== The Official Seven-Seas Web Page. www.bunnymenlist.com ====================================== ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 13:25:22 -0500 From: "Stephen Vilnius" Subject: seven-seas-moderated Choices >Who cares what happened to Chris Martins or Snoop Dogg >(I happen not to)? Ok, let's go. Why Chris Martin ? Because he is a great vocalist and song writer. > >RGDS >>In a purely philosophical level, Mac is not Mac >without the legendary smoking, although the music should not have >changed Mac doesn't have a ciggie in EVERY photo ever taken. As far as pulling out an old album and CD and Bang, you're back, it comes down to wanting him to pull off older material live as well as he used to. Hey, McCartney still sounds about perfect on he old Beatle songs, and he's 60, at least 15 years older than our beloved Mac. Ultimately, it's his choice of course; he still sounds good in a different way, not any less just different, but, I would imagine live shows generate a reasonable portion on the Bunnymen income, and they may need that money when they decide touring is no longer something they want to do anymore. I don't believe they have a 401k or retirement pension for rock stars. (What can you say about Kurt >Cobain? Don't hold a gun in your hand? Kurt Cobain was a spoiled cry baby who could have gotten help and not been a coward. His wife may have been intolerable but he had a daughter. I do NOT feel sorry for these supposed "icons of the new generation"; if you don't want to be that person anymore, do as Johnny Rotten said when the Sex Pistols ended, and walk away. Steve V > > _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=73 24&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_addphot os_3mf ====================================== The Official Seven-Seas Web Page. www.bunnymenlist.com ====================================== ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 12:41:56 -0600 (CST) From: amyr@jump.net (Amy Moseley Rupp) Subject: seven-seas-moderated Re: seven-seas Choices > >>In a purely philosophical level, Mac is not Mac > >without the legendary smoking, although the music should not have > >changed An artist is concerned with the quality of his/her art. Period. An artist wouldn't dream of wrecking his/her talent and thus art in order to be *cool*. An artist might do it because s/he is mortal and addicted, but not to be *cool*. ART is what makes an artist cool. A pop/rock star *is* concerned with being cool and they generate a huge amount of their income by making others think they are cool too. They'll do anything to be dead cool, even if it means being dead. Some people manage to pull off both of these acts, especially if they are young. But you can only do it for so long. You can't deny you're ageing no matter how hard you try. We all are. Now, a fan has a right to respect whom they will. I preferred Mac's artist side. There are a zillion "cool" people.... a dime a dozen, hanging out in every club in every land. There are few artists with Mac's talent. He makes the choices; he lives with himself. But I have to say that I'm not nearly so excited about Mac's solo dates because of the decline in his voice. I'm one fan, but there are more. Part of his ability to cover anything well was the pure beauty of his voice, which is GONE. GONE. Hell yeah I haul out the older records. I can barely stand to listen to LIPA which is so beautifully done other than Macca's voice. I would prefer to think it was a two-off? bad couple of nights for his voice, but the Q performance didn't help, either. I'd go to the solo dates out of respect and because some of the stuff is still good -- and to meet list folks. I fully understand the "I-love-Mac-as-an-artiste" argument and you're welcome to it, but I respectfully disagree, and I hope I've done a bit better job explaining why. ====================================== The Official Seven-Seas Web Page. www.bunnymenlist.com ====================================== ------------------------------ End of seven-seas-moderated-digest V2 #10 *****************************************