From: owner-seven-seas@smoe.org (seven-seas-digest) To: seven-seas-moderated-digest@smoe.org Subject: seven-seas-digest V1 #152 Reply-To: seven-seas@smoe.org Sender: owner-seven-seas@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-seven-seas@smoe.org Precedence: bulk seven-seas-digest Tuesday, October 15 2002 Volume 01 : Number 152 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 20:07:13 -0700 From: "jonnykat" Subject: seven-seas-moderated Echo-> Book & DVD I'm surprised no one has reviewed this book on Amazon??? Turquoise Days: The Weird World of Echo & the Bunnymen I just got it...looks like a fun read.... Also, I love the music and early band visuals in the background of Live in Liverpool DVD but my..the editing is awful....you can't concentrate for a second on wills guitar playing or Ian's performance...the camera cuts back cuts forth cuts cuts cuts.....fucking cutter.... I'm use to seeing the very emotional parts played out for a while..ala porcupine vhs or pictures on my wall vhs... there are moments when you can see ian, will and the bunnies giving there all and then it cuts all over the place.. i wish i could slow it down....to see the passion...my 2 cents...still a treasure jon ====================================== Choices! mailto:majordomo@smoe.org Subscribe/unsubscribe Seven-seas Seven-seas-moderated Both available in digest form. ====================================== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 22:32:35 -0500 From: Amy Moseley Rupp Subject: seven-seas-moderated Re: seven-seas on/off topic: Glide On Monday, October 14, 2002, at 05:57 PM, Ivan wrote: > I don't know why so many people seem to think Ian's such an asshole. > But then, I don't fully understand why so many people think I'm one, > either. > > Mr. Adams, are you out there to chime in on this one? PS..... Chris would be in an unenviable position should he think Ian was um, the other end of the food chain, cos how on earth could he say anything given his collaboration with Macca on _Turquoise Days_? But even so... I've yet to find anyone who's an ass all the time to everyone. It's more a continuum kind of thing. Another of my favourite musicians, Geddy Lee of Rush, can be a notoriously difficult perfectionist (read: asshole) to work with and for. This straight from the techs that work for him, who'd rather work for the band's more laid-back guitarist. I tried to confine my comment to working with Mac.... not his entire persona. Without a doubt there are many journalists and fellow musicians who have a rather low opinion of the guy cos of his propensity to not show up or say anything in an interview; or because of being verbally slashed by Mac the Mouth. I guess one reason I said what I said is that I started out as a total "Mac" person .... taken in by the looks, the voice, the cool.... all of which are still valid... but after getting to know more people who were closer to the band, and actually meeting some of them, my opinion changed, and I can see easily why people are and were fonder of Will, Les, or Pete. - --Amy ====================================== Choices! mailto:majordomo@smoe.org Subscribe/unsubscribe Seven-seas Seven-seas-moderated Both available in digest form. ====================================== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 20:31:07 -0700 From: "Ivan" Subject: seven-seas-moderated Re: seven-seas on/off topic: Glide - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Moseley Rupp" > From talking to Will briefly in person, from reading a zillion > interviews, from watching the interactions.... that's my impression. > if I had to go on my five minutes alone with the man, I'd say shyly > uncomfortable and dazed and in his own world. Go with your personal experiences, then Amy. Not tabloid accounts, or hearsay. Do you think any of these publications would print something like "he's a lovely man, we always have a good laugh"? Of course not. Readers love DIRT. It's fine for any of us to read what one person says about another. But I think it's also up to us as decent human beings not to base our opinions of people on other people's accounts of them. First-hand, I've heard things about Will from Mac, and things about Mac from Will. Do the words of one affect how I feel about the other? No. I won't let it. I've seen both of them in "brilliant" and "turd" mode - Bottom line: they're people. And I love them both, and respect them both. I can't give an opinion on Les - I don't know him. I've read what he's said, just as you have. I have my opinions about what he's said publicly, but I can't form an opinion of him personally, based on that. I think I've said this before: spend all your time with another person, cooped up on a fucking bus for 20% of 23 years, and tell me how you feel about one another. they're all like family. I hated my brother and sister growing up, and hated being around them. Now that I don't see either of them nearly as much, I really enjoy spending time with them. - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.399 / Virus Database: 226 - Release Date: 10/9/2002 ====================================== Choices! mailto:majordomo@smoe.org Subscribe/unsubscribe Seven-seas Seven-seas-moderated Both available in digest form. ====================================== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 22:51:35 -0500 From: Amy Moseley Rupp Subject: seven-seas-moderated Re: seven-seas on/off topic: Glide On Monday, October 14, 2002, at 10:31 PM, Ivan wrote: > Go with your personal experiences, then Amy. Not tabloid accounts, or > hearsay. I do. > Do you think any of these publications would print something like > "he's a > lovely man, we always have a good laugh"? Of course not. Readers love > DIRT. Actually, some of them do have to say nice things about people... like, er Bono? ;-) > It's fine for any of us to read what one person says about another. > But I > think it's also up to us as decent human beings not to base our > opinions of > people on other people's accounts of them. Not everyone has the chance to actually get to know people they form opinions about. You are very lucky, and I lucky in the fact that we know the band as well as we do. Heck, juries are asked to decide a person's character based solely on what other people say about them. And in some cases whether or not that people is such a bad person that they ought to be killed. "Judge not lest ye be judged" -- but boy do people love to judge. I think I've said this before: > spend all your time with another person, cooped up on a fucking bus > for > 20% > of 23 years, and tell me how you feel about one another. > they're all like family. I hated my brother and sister growing up, and > hated > being around them. > Now that I don't see either of them nearly as much, I really enjoy > spending > time with them. Interesting. I've always liked my brother, and he me, though it was an "us against them" thing to survive our parents ;-) Some members of other groups (God here I go again) like Rush have shown absolutely no enmity toward each other ever ever. But you're right. That doesn't make the press. And given that you are the press (or the media), so to speak, do you think this will change? I talked to my parents for five minutes tonight, and most of it was that that sniper in Virginia shot someone else. I rarely even watch the news. If the sniper were here I would worry, but God why do I want to talk about some whacko 1500 miles away? I hope they catch the guy, but I'm not switching over from Teletubbies to CNN instantaneously over it. - --Amy, getting waaaaaaay too deep here I think ====================================== Choices! mailto:majordomo@smoe.org Subscribe/unsubscribe Seven-seas Seven-seas-moderated Both available in digest form. ====================================== ------------------------------ End of seven-seas-digest V1 #152 ********************************