From: owner-seven-seas@smoe.org (seven-seas-digest) To: seven-seas-moderated-digest@smoe.org Subject: seven-seas-digest V1 #87 Reply-To: seven-seas@smoe.org Sender: owner-seven-seas@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-seven-seas@smoe.org Precedence: bulk seven-seas-digest Monday, September 9 2002 Volume 01 : Number 087 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 01:06:17 -0500 (CDT) From: amyr@jump.net (Amy Moseley Rupp) Subject: Re: seven-seas-moderated first four album remasters? > Likely, the audio from the master was converted to a higher digital > sampling rate than that. It then had to be compressed to 44.1 kHz, to > fit the audio format, and meet the standard for CD audio. Therein lies > one of the big issues - with compression, some data and fidelity is > lost. It's normally scraped off the top and bottom ends, outside what > the 'experts' say is our listening range. Some engineer had to decide > what would be lost in the compression. It's subjective. That's true... the 44.1KHz rate was chosen to prevent aliasing -- the upper end of human hearing being reckoned at 20KHz, you must double the frequency to ensure no aliasing and then the 4.1KHz guardband was added on top of that. (I did a whole research paper in college on this.) Another aspect is *how many bits per sample* and the earlier converters had fewer bits per sample (typically only 8) vs. today, when 24 can be employed. *But*... again, is it audible? My questions were more at: did the Bunnymen *ever* record digitally? (before _Evergreen_); and does the remastering process involve anything other than running the original output from the mix/edit session through the latest gear? Technically, if one remixes/edits, then one will by definition have created a new master. From what I've heard of the Rush "remasters" there was more to it than merely re-digitalizing the output from the original mix/edit final session. At the time even the editing and mixing were *optimized* for the media of the day -- vinyl -- which may be why vinyl sounds better. Now, one could go back and reoptimize for CD. Sorry to be so dry and on-topic, but.... oh and the stuff about the Buns and the bum HUH is on page 45 of _Never Stop_, it *was* Cardiff in which they listened to the record, but *Austria* where Will bought a copy of HUH which was the first "defective" mix. Is it now a collector's item, that first mix? ;-) - --Amy ====================================== Choices! mailto:majordomo@smoe.org Subscribe/unsubscribe Seven-seas Seven-seas-moderated Both available in digest form. ====================================== ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 08:34:43 +0100 From: "James McGowan" Subject: seven-seas-moderated remastered HUH "I thought I'd read somewhere that the wrong mix of Heaven Up Here was pressed" You are correct HUH wes mixed whilst the bunnymen toured USA, with the band passing comment more or less over the phone, but they rejected the first actual complete mix and released the 2nd mix of HUH. But whilst touring in Austria they overheard HUH being played in record store which was actually the rejected mix. It had turned out that warners had already pressed a few thousand copies of mix 1 so instead of destroying them they had shipped them out to mainland Europe assuming the band would never hear them thus not losing anymore money. No wonder the boys are keen to get involved in the remastering project with warners. jimbo ====================================== Choices! mailto:majordomo@smoe.org Subscribe/unsubscribe Seven-seas Seven-seas-moderated Both available in digest form. ====================================== ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 10:30:31 +0100 From: "Barry Whiting" Subject: seven-seas-moderated Re: seven-seas it's all over now b b - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henry Biedenkapp" > I have noticed someone on this list making a reference to the > Chocolate Watchtower (?) verison of "Baby Blue". Never heard of this > band or version. > What is this like? Is it 60's psychedelic or ssomething else? Henry -- It was The Chocolate Watchband. 60's Garage/Psychedelia. Check out : http://www.artistdirect.com/store/artist/album/0,,1139023,00.html where you'll get a 30-second clip of the track. - -- Barry - -- Barry Whiting barry@urquell.freeserve.co.uk ====================================== Choices! mailto:majordomo@smoe.org Subscribe/unsubscribe Seven-seas Seven-seas-moderated Both available in digest form. ====================================== ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 16:33:25 -0500 (CDT) From: amyr@jump.net (Amy Moseley Rupp) Subject: seven-seas-moderated Re: seven-seas remastered HUH > No wonder the boys are keen to get involved in the remastering project > with warners. Most bands that've had the longevity of the Bunnies have changed record labels, and the old label always seeks to capitalise on back catalogues. Whether or not they choose to get involved is their business, but I wouldn't dismiss it out of hand. I can't see much that could be 'lost' if Warner did reissue with or without their input -- we all have the originals, and the band won't *lose* any money, only stand to gain (if in a smaller amount than they deserve). If the remasters are shit, then we'll tell each other, and we won't buy them. - --Amy ====================================== Choices! mailto:majordomo@smoe.org Subscribe/unsubscribe Seven-seas Seven-seas-moderated Both available in digest form. ====================================== ------------------------------ End of seven-seas-digest V1 #87 *******************************