From: owner-seven-seas@smoe.org (seven-seas-moderated-digest) To: seven-seas-moderated-digest@smoe.org Subject: seven-seas-moderated-digest V1 #49 Reply-To: seven-seas@smoe.org Sender: owner-seven-seas@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-seven-seas@smoe.org Precedence: bulk seven-seas-moderated-digest Friday, November 22 2002 Volume 01 : Number 049 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 10:27:48 -0600 (CST) From: amyr@jump.net (Amy Moseley Rupp) Subject: seven-seas-moderated Re: seven-seas Re: top 100 albums of 80's > How very....um....American..... > > Ain't never even heard of half this shit.... Then how do you know it's shit? I rather like the inclusion of the two bands with bass players named Kim (Gordon, Sonic Youth; Deal, Pixies). What I saw were some of the albums that are repetitively mentioned as huge influences. Problem in making such a list: whom, where, and when did the artist influence? Were they leaders of their contemporaries, or did they trailblaze and only have followers years after their demise? Did they influence the American scene, the British scene, both? And trickiest of all: how did they influence individual fans? Because even music critics and the like who vote for these polls are at heart at least fans of some music (even if they never say who they *like* ;-) ) and some of them are also musicians (though obviously not good ones or they wouldn't be music critics!). - --Am ====================================== The Official Seven-Seas Web Page. www.bunnymenlist.com ====================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 17:40:51 -0800 (PST) From: Andrew Ironside Subject: seven-seas-moderated Re: seven-seas Re: top 100 albums of 80's - --- Amy Moseley Rupp wrote: > > How very....um....American..... > > > > Ain't never even heard of half this shit.... > > Then how do you know it's shit? > > I rather like the inclusion of the two bands with > bass players > named Kim (Gordon, Sonic Youth; Deal, Pixies). What > I saw > were some of the albums that are repetitively > mentioned as > huge influences. > > Problem in making such a list: whom, where, and > when did the > artist influence? Were they leaders of their > contemporaries, or > did they trailblaze and only have followers years > after their demise? > Did they influence the American scene, the British > scene, both? And > trickiest of all: how did they influence individual > fans? Because > even music critics and the like who vote for these > polls are at > heart at least fans of some music (even if they > never say who they *like* > ;-) ) and some of them are also musicians (though > obviously not good ones > or they wouldn't be music critics!). > > --Am > A lot of these albums are the college critical darlings albums, English bands Mekons and Talk talk don't mean #$&$ all to me, and they have a combined 4 albums, That could contain albums by Psych. Furs, Depeche Mode, EATB, and the Sound, . Now Daydream nation is a great album, but #1? Hell, I want to make my own list, one that gives all styles a fair shake, from punk, post-punk, goth, ska, new wave, more of a democratic list rather than just the darlings of the American underground. Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com ====================================== The Official Seven-Seas Web Page. www.bunnymenlist.com ====================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 20:46:37 -0600 (CST) From: amyr@jump.net (Amy Moseley Rupp) Subject: seven-seas-moderated Re: seven-seas Re: top 100 albums of 80's > nation is a great album, but #1? Hell, I want to make > my own list, one that gives all styles a fair shake, > from punk, post-punk, goth, ska, new wave, more of a democratic list > rather than just the darlings of the American underground. Ah, but college radio was the only medium that really spread bands like EATB in the 80s. REM even owe a huge amount of their success to college radio. So maybe there should be a American college radio darlings list ;-) Make yer own top 100! We've had loads of different 'make your list' fun 'round here.... do you want to do an 80s one? I don't think anyone's restricted themselves to a decade (though I could be wrong). What *would* be harder would be a 70s one, IMHO. I mean, I'd make everyone ill by stuffing it with Rush .... no ... but _The Wall_ would definitely make it. Maybe whomever compiled that list gets a kickback on Pixies and Sonic Youth albums sold ;-) - --Amy, too sick to play -- but y'all go on ahead ====================================== The Official Seven-Seas Web Page. www.bunnymenlist.com ====================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 20:44:54 -0800 (PST) From: Andrew Ironside Subject: seven-seas-moderated Re: seven-seas Re: top 100 albums of 80's - --- Amy Moseley Rupp wrote: > > nation is a great album, but #1? Hell, I want to > make > > my own list, one that gives all styles a fair > shake, > > from punk, post-punk, goth, ska, new wave, more of > a > > democratic list rather than just the darlings of > the > > American underground. > > Ah, but college radio was the only medium that > really spread > bands like EATB in the 80s. REM even owe a huge > amount of their > success to college radio. > > So maybe there should be a American college radio > darlings list ;-) > > Make yer own top 100! > > We've had loads of different 'make your list' fun > 'round here.... > do you want to do an 80s one? I don't think > anyone's restricted > themselves to a decade (though I could be wrong). > > What *would* be harder would be a 70s one, IMHO. I > mean, I'd > make everyone ill by stuffing it with Rush .... no > ... but _The > Wall_ would definitely make it. > > Maybe whomever compiled that list gets a kickback on > Pixies and > Sonic Youth albums sold ;-) > > --Amy, too sick to play -- but y'all go on ahead > >These lists are no easy trick, I think its safer to do more specialized lists, like they do in Alternative Press magazine. Like the 10 best geek rock albums of all time, or the best ten albums with singers you can't understand but the music speaks for them. ie. 1) Suicide- S/T 2) Sigur Ros- Aegetis Byrjun 3) Cocteau Twins-Treasure etc. doing a list of the 70's is dangerous because you have your glam, prog rock, dino rock, punk rock, disco, R and B, blaxploitation, Heavy Metal, Folk Rock, not exactly amicable bedfellows, but a daunting task indeed. You ever heard of a band called Budgie? metallica covered their Breadfan song, a pretty good heavy underrated group, the singer sounds like Geddy Lee, and the rythm section sounds like Black Sabbath and Zeppelin, their songs have weird titles like Hot as a docker's armpit, and they would set you up by having their really heavy songs followed by soft an melodic beatles like songs. Evah hoid of dem? O.K. a tough question, who was cooler Richard Butler in the beginning (Sister Europe era) or Mac? Yahoo! Mail Plus  Powerful. Affordable. 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