From: owner-rockford-files-digest@smoe.org (The Rockford Files) To: rockford-files-digest@smoe.org Subject: The Rockford Files V1 #301 Reply-To: rockford-files@smoe.org Sender: owner-rockford-files-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-rockford-files-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk The Rockford Files Tuesday, November 10 1998 Volume 01 : Number 301 Today's Filings: ----------------- i see wrestling governors? Missing the point... Ex-squeeze me. caution: bentent ahead Re: caution: bentent ahead Re: caution: bentent ahead Dreamin'..of you! double entendre ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 03:56:44 -0500 From: Jessica Brandt Subject: i see Well Matthew i guess you agree with what i told you in e-mail enough to post it. Thanks. oh and i'm not replying to your last mail cuz i don't know what I did wrong in the first place :) And as for music these days...seriously, when you have the Squirrel Nut Zippers, what can be wrong? I think I could listen to nothing but Zippers for the rest of my life and be happy happy happy. don't tell me that they aren't playing anything "new" either. They have so many influences and play so many different styles. they are NOT swing they are musical genius and that's all. well not all. I saw 8 1/2 Souviners and i must say i was less than impressed. Prety damn boring. that and the PA was not condusive to the singer's voice and I didn't understand a word she said. Guitarist is kind of cute tho. I think I have a thing for pompadoured men (rowl Conan!) Brian setzer Orchestra...Give it up for good showmanship! Everyone tell Courtney she should write about her exciting Hollywood life for the Shrub! yay! Jess *********************************************************** I'm not just naked, I'm Naked for Jesus!!! * --+-READ THE SHRUBBERY-+-- * http://www.theshrubbery.prohosting.com --New Every Month- -Humor, Music, News and More-- *********************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 01:29:59 -0800 (PST) From: "Jordan W." Subject: wrestling governors? damn, we've got a freaking sumo as our opposition leader :) no, love your work, kimbo. sound advice is always welcomed in any way, shape or form, especially when it is performed so poetically. :) anoop, i was seriously laughing at your subtle (yeah, right) jibe at the ma. made me laugh. i have had a blast this weekend, hence my notable absense from the hallowed turf of the rf. it rocked. i spent 9 hours on a bus on friday, then i was in some big city thing. sydney is my favourite city in the world. i swear that something happens to me when i get there. rehearsed all saturday then went out and... have i mentioned that i love sydney? i must turn into something i don't see, but i invaribly score. it's amazing. but i'm not complaining. Sunday, i rehearsed in the opera house until lunch, then went out shopping with my buddies to score some cool presents for their girls. so, then we performed at the opera house, we sang: Songs of Sanctuary - Jenkins Procession of the Nobles - Rimsky-Korsakov Choruses from Orfeo - Gluck Dido's Lament and Final Chorus - Purcell Chorus of the Hebrew Slaves - Verdi Excepts (Procession and Finale) from Die Meistersing von Nurnberg - Wagner it was AMAZING!!!! seriously, this was my best ever performance. we kicked amazingly copious amounts of arse. it was really good. then, because it was my friends 18th, we were allowed to go clubbing. got really pissed and ended up at the imperial in newtown, watching the drag shows. my friend's cousin took us there, gay bars always make me laugh :) then i have spent all day today on the bus. but check it out, i got a 2 hour back massage (on the bus, mind you) and also got to sing with the choir on the bus, which was fun. i also came in for some special attention from one of my best friend's little sister, who was cracking on to me something shocking. she's a really nice girl though, and quite attractive. i think i quite like her. dunno whether matt would like it. but anyhow, she spent all day scratching my head. now, I love that. amazingly. so much. my head feels terrific. i mean, after the first hour i was prepared to propose right there. sigh. i LOVE having my head scratched. so i feel fantastic. :) i love Subway. i'm going to go watch Ally McBeal. an amazingly happy Jordan ps Dan, hope your weekend was as good ;) _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 10:35:00 -0500 From: "Lyons, Anne" Subject: Missing the point... ba ba ba baaaaaaaaa = ) Hey all! Ummmmmmm... as Matthew said: he wasn't trying to criticize, just offer advice. And damn good advice at that. It's advice I wish someone had given me when I was 16 - 21. And advice-giving, I believe, is one of the tenets of the RF... yep, here it is... Point of Order #362: Thou shalt give advice whenever thou feelest the need, asked or unasked. So I believe the point may have been missed. Also missed: no one was saying that they did or did not enjoy rambling posts. What was *said* was that there is not much conversitificating going on*. It's not just Dan or Jordan or whoever... it's a whole lot of posts that have no responses. I think that the last post that had a decent amount of response was the FL's post about his car window getting smashed. Cases in point: Dan & Jordan journals of life get responses from Dan & Jordan and sometimes Anoop, but not really from anyone else. My post about my hellacious Halloween got a personal response from Elizabeth, but not from anyone else. I don't think there are responses to the set lists from radio shows (I haven't noticed any anyway). Many of us post about our daily lives and those have not recently gotten responses. So... there has been no judgement made that this is a good thing or a bad thing or an indifferent thing... it is just something that someone noticed. Now, for me personally... I like interaction. I *like* people asking me for dream interpretations** (whether BeFeF related or not). I *like* people busting me when I say something contrary to their beliefs. I *like* adding on to fictitious accounts of us living in a house in New Orleans. I *like* listening to drunken travails of others. And I try to comment on other posts when I feel like I have something to add. Recently, I don't feel like I've had much to add... but that is my deal, not yours. What is surprising is that it doesn't seem like anyone else has felt like they've had anything to add either (with the exception of Sandi, the FL and Matthew). It's just interesting, is all. In fact, I actually had the thought last week that the RF might work better as a bulletin board... people can post whatever whenever and then others can add their thoughts as a response whenever. Because for ME anyway... it is not that I don't ever want to add anything... it's just that sometimes I'm not in the right frame of mind to add something to the conversation. But I COULD be in the future. But by that time four issues have gone by, and with my Nutrasweet-addled short term memory, there ain't no way I'm remembering what happened four issues ago! So I guess that is my suggestion... starting a bulletin board. Because then the information is all there just waiting for replies... Of course, I'm not sure if it is feasible or anything. It's just a suggestion. In other news: Welcome back from Chi-town, FL! Hope you recovered from your exploits! Welcome back from Lurkerdom, Matthew! Hope all is well with Meg... And I guess that is all for me. Except -- how happy am I that the X-Files have begun again!?!! And I love the foils for Mulder and Scully (Bender and Diana, respectively)... Take care, all! - -Anne * Of course, now there's a whole lot of conversingilinging going on about the previous dearth of conversationaling -- which, in my opinion, is a start. = ) ** And speaking of dream interpretation, I had a DOOZY of a dream last night. Or would you call it a nightmare? I was back in college for my senior year, and I was a resident counselor. A friend and I were hanging out on the roof of the building outside my window on the third floor (this is somehting we used to do a lot). But the kicker is that this friend I was with, Steve, had committed suicide during our sophomore year (for real). (In my dream it had been attempted suicide.) So we're sitting there talking about depression and thoughts about suicide and whatnot, and Steve got up to go inside for a soda -- and he tripped and started to go over the side. I tried to grab him and caught a couple of fingers, and with his other hand he grabbed my backpack. My fingers slipped from his and I tried to haul him up with my backpack, but the strap broke and he plummeted three stories to the pavement below. I was in shock for a few hours, I think... because then there was an all-campus meeting to discuss Steve's death and I showed up late. I just stood in the back and cried, completely blaming myself (we weren't supposed to be on the roof, obviously and I was the RC...). Then I ran out of the auditorium and went to go get something to show everyone (I don't remember what) and then I was going to apologize to everyone and then drop out of school. But as I was running across campus crying, I woke up. I am waiting for a few hours before I try to annealyze this one. I think I need some distance to figure it out. I'm still a little shaky from the realism of this one... Getting lots of play in my car: U2 - The B Sides DMB - Under the Table and Dreaming Various - Funk's Greatest Hits Ella and Louis - Together Again Bruce Springsteen - The River Nirvana - Nevermind ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 15:40:22 CST From: "Fearless Leader" Subject: Ex-squeeze me. Leave it to the FL to clear the air. I think we all run a little stale at times. I also think we are ALL getting eager at the SAME time for some quality conversation. But I can live anything. Just a smile makes me happy. I must agree with Anne about one thing: replying to posts sometimes is hard due to the fact our attention spans are so LARGE. uh, that was sarcastic. I have great news. This list still rocks the very world we reside in. This is just the longest we have been w/o REAL bentent. The one year anniversary of the RF draws near. December 10th I believe. What kind of celebration shall we have? Well, I have an idea. I say for the next few weeks leading up to the actual date, everyone (and that includes those who do the lurking thing) go back to the archives (both smoe.org AND the ORIGINAL at my site) and do some browsing. I know some of us do that now. What I would like to see is some reflection of some of the events which have taken place on the list. Discussions, one-night-drunk-posts, whatever. Just let everyone know what struck you in the funny bone. Pretend you are sitting at your fav tavern, coffee house, whatever, and just say, "do you remember that silly guy Jon?? was he the bomb or what!? he had a phat job at the gap, and the girls...man, the girls just went CRAZY for the guy. I wonder what he is doing now!" Now I reflect in TOTAL kindness, as I hold no malice toward the man. But, he WAS a funny chap, no? If anything, as you read back, I am sure you will laugh, as I do, at the many funny creatures we have posting to this list. See if you can find the post which most would resemble a Ben Folds post, an actual BEN FOLDS post. I *still* believe he posted to the list once. or twice. Nice man that Ben Folds. I think this would make for some nice conversation. Don't you? On a more personal note, I would like shout out to all the students on the list and wish them well as the semester winds down. I remember how I procrastinated once ot twice *grin* and all of a sudden had all this studying to do! Ahhhhh the memories....and to all thje professionals on the list...quit reading your damn email at work! Shouts to Spence (is he dead), Jordan (I love this game), Dan (the man), Anne (parallel universe baby), Markus (rock on), Sandi (you gots skills), Ginger (inspiration to the rock stars), Annop (for president in 2016), Eric (you so crazy), kristin (just because). *putting my magic shout mirror away* okay, I shall return. love and kisses (and hugs if you insist, MarKus), - -your FL. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 14:13:01 -0800 From: flames on the side of my face Subject: caution: bentent ahead so, since some people are looking for a topic of discussion, how's about i throw one out? Fear of Pop hits stores a week from tomorrow. most of us haven't heard it, save for bits and pieces of "In Love," but i think it would be a safe bet to say that a lot of us have already formed opinions about it. so what do we all think? is this album going to be the musical equivalent of wanking? Is it going to put undue strain on the relationship between Ben and the rest of the band? Is it a good idea? Discuss. ~Courtney The Sultraness of Swing "And you kids aren't exactly John and Joan Cusack." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 17:02:57 -0600 (CST) From: Anoop Ranganath Subject: Re: caution: bentent ahead I've got time for a quickie in the name of conversicating, (that's not really a word is it?) I think Ben Folds realizes that all though he's got a good thing going with BF5, it's got him trapped in a creative corner. He can't really ditch that piano if he wanted to. Classic example is Emaline, the liner notes of NBP said that they all thought this song was going to be the one, but it ruined the entire no guitar thing. Fear of Pop is his chance to go off and try all the things that he's just not allowed to do with BF5. Although I'm sure he could easily have gotten Robert and Darren to be part of it, it really would have been suicide to release it under the Ben Folds Five name. WAEA didn't sell most of its albums to people like us, who actually look forward to a band experimenting with it's sound. It's a whole lot of people who liked Brick. There's nothing wrong with that, it's great that they're buying the album, but we can't expect them to take Fear of Pop seriously. Kind of makes me feel sorry for them. It's scary how the same piano that moved them to the forefront could also be limiting their creativity. To briefly answer your questions, 1) I think that this album will be a welcome addition to my stereo. I'll be the first to admit that I lock myself into particular types of music, and I'm really excited about getting a CD that reaches out from a name I can trust (buy, sounds like a tylenol ad) 2) Is this album going to be the musical equivalent of wanking? Well, I'm sure this goes for most of us, but I quite enjoy wanking. 3) I think this album shouldn't put strain on the band at all. First of all, I truly believe that Ben wouldn't do anything that would put stress on the band. IMHO, it seems that he new that it was a risk, and he didn't want to pull the band (including himself) down with it. 4) Is it a good idea? Well, change is always good. Wow, that was a lot of writing for me. On a more personal note, I didn't go to any of my classes today. Bad, bad me. I need to get my ass in gear before the end of the year if I plan to do well. Also, I'm really getting into Jump, Little Children. I'd like to thank Ginger and Jessica for convincing my ass to make it out to that first show. I've been to four already, and have two more lined up for thanksgiving weekend. Hey, that was a good bit of pseudo-BENtent, Anoop On Mon, 9 Nov 1998, flames on the side of my face wrote: > so, since some people are looking for a topic of discussion, how's about > i throw one out? > > Fear of Pop hits stores a week from tomorrow. most of us haven't heard > it, save for bits and pieces of "In Love," but i think it would be a > safe bet to say that a lot of us have already formed opinions about it. > so what do we all think? is this album going to be the musical > equivalent of wanking? Is it going to put undue strain on the > relationship between Ben and the rest of the band? Is it a good idea? > > Discuss. > > > ~Courtney > The Sultraness of Swing > "And you kids aren't exactly John and Joan Cusack." > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 19:06:46 -0500 From: Dan Cohen Subject: Re: caution: bentent ahead Anne, thankees. I was a bit misled, possibly because I was quite tired. :) However, I don't think the RF would work as a bulletin board because of the following: a. It's MUCH easier for me to check my mail when time is cramped than to go to a BBS or web site, and anyway, I can't dial up to a BBS with a cable modem :( b. I feckin' love getting thirty messages a day from all my mailing list buddies. Absolutely. c. Email is much more personal and fun to read than a bulletin board post. The RF is the mad shizzit, in the vernacular of the hair gel boyz. Keep it up, FL. Jon Richards...yes, he was funny at times, but I can't feel as if I miss him. He said some things to me which weren't of the highest intelligence, and I think everyone realizes this. But what's done is done, and what's not is the future... My thoughts on FoP...I'm looking at it with excited apprehension. It could suck and be a pretentious waste of plastic just as easily as it could be masterful. I sincerely hope Ben doesn't cross the line into self-parody. My journal of life for the day: The Emily situation is so touchy right now that I'm afraid it's all going to collapse. I'm at a party Thursday night after my concert with some friends from chorale. We begin talking and horsing around. This girl, Emily, who's a friend of mine, nothing all that special, begins to talk with me. Things proceeded and suddenly we were alone on the couch. This is where it gets foggy. A beautiful, single girl, alone with me... We talked some more, and soon it came to pass that I had my arm around her and vice-versa. I don't know. This doesn't happen to me, right? This isn't my fate. We were close that night, damned close. Closer to a girl than I've honestly ever been. Of course, her ex-boyfriend Dave didn't appreciate it a bit... As she left, I copped a _major_ feel...yeah. Friday I skipped school because I was tired/slightly hung over. Saturday, I call her to say hello and, presumably, to ask her if she wanted to go to the Reel Big Fish concert in Utica (she has her night license). I'm surprised when she totally blows me off. She proceeds to tell me that even if she didn't have to work, she wouldn't go with me. I'm stunned. She tells me then that Thursday meant nothing to her...she'd had some to drink and she didn't care. It was over before it began. I hung up the phone and walked into the bathroom, still shaking my head. I looked at myself in the mirror for a long time. I had come close to maybe loving someone. My mom came home and we went to the grocery store, as we are wont to do when the cupboards are empty. I forgot until I saw her that Emily worked there Saturday nights. Dave was there too and they were together. She saw me and gave me a look. I understood after a little while. She had her eyebrow ring in again. I hadn't seen her with it in a while and I figured the hole would have closed up, but somehow it had stayed open. Maybe it represented a side of her I didn't know, a change in her somehow. Today was a blur. I dreamed of her last night and I saw her first thing at school this morning walking with him; part of me wanted to start a fight but the rational side won out. Helena and Olivia said hello but I couldn't respond. I ate at the same table as always and made the usual jokes; some girl fainted during Chorale and we laughed. I'm tormented by my near-successes like a boxer who can't quite beat the title-holder. I'm washed up and getting uglier and more beaten with every loss. Quite the analogy, huh? :) ~Dan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 20:41:12 EST From: jaedonely@juno.com Subject: Dreamin'..of you! Id like to talk about dreams. I once had a strangely prophetic dream. Do ya'll remember Milli Vanilli? Yes, the fakers, the lip synchers. I was a big Milli Vanilli fan when I was a wee one. While they were at the height of their popularity, I had a dream about them. Milli Vanilli lived down the street I hung out with them, and one day I went to their house and we began to sing and the house turned inside out into a huge giant boombox on which we could attach our microphones to. No biggie-but-I was really good friends with Milli Vanilli in the dream. And I found out that one of them was really a girl so she had to pretend to be a guy...hmmm...Im convinced that Im a prophet or something. Yet Anne, I had a very strange dream the other night. It included my family (mom, sister) and a little African American toddler girl(she was spunky) who wore a tiny yellow jumper. Inexplicably, my mom, me, my sister, and the little girl were walking down the highway (yes, side by side with cars) attempting to get to the airport to go home. When we reached the off ramp, we had to cross four lanes of traffic. My mom had to put me on her shoulders and we finally got across the street. Then the four of us walked down the ramp and we were at the airport. It began to rain immensley and everybody got soaked, and my family was complaining but the little girl, who was barefoot, put us all to shame. She kept on walking without complaint because she knew that we had to get home. We were shamed by her example. Then the dream ended. Annealyze that! (altho' maybe the home thing is a gimmie) Im convinced that I got my college applications done as a result of pleading to the RF for support. Maybe I can namecheck it in my graduation speech. Im thinking of a good quote...Im afraid I may have to smite Ben for some Ellen Gilchrist.(she rules) New Afghan Whigs is in my head...Im thinking about sex even more..Ay! ~Elisabeth Oh, and that 70s show? So good, and cute topher grace is an adorable version of my best friends ex. Courtney, be a tart. I spur you on!! (He does go to your school, after all) ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 17:41:00 PST From: "Courtney Knopf" Subject: double entendre so like Anoop, i too skipped my classes today. i'm a bad bad girl who is going to get bad bad grades. oh well, such is life. is anyone else feeling a general malaise lately? i'd blame it on the impending winter, but it's not like we actually HAVE winter in california. it was bright and sunny today and just chilly enough to wear my jacket to campus. well, i have a mother paper due on wednesday that i'm just NOT looking forward to doing. anyone who is jelaous of me because i am taking a hitchcok class, i can tell you it ain't no walk in the park. in fact it is slowly sucking my will to live. i love Hitch, don't get me wrong; but start over analyzing and it all goes to hell. if i hear one more reference to coded homosexuality or "moral ambiguity," professor Drew Casper is going to get a fork stuck in his trachea by your truly. i'm sure it will make the evening news. so even though i posed those questions about FOP earlier, i didn't actually answer them myself. i look at Fear Of Pop the same way i've been looking at Gus Van Sant's new version of "Psycho." Both are products of fancy by two people that i greatly admire.... but are they necessary? I am trepidatious, but hopeful. it could suck or it could rock. So Ben and Co. are in my fair city this week recording, are they not? how long would y'all conjecture that they'll be in town? long enough to go to the same Built To Spill and/or Komeda shows i'm going to next wednesday and tuesday? oh, and spekaing of revenge best served cold (you weren't, but i was), i talked to the college radio rep over at warner bros. today to have my name put on the list for the BTS show and she was really cool and told me that there was also going to be a pre-show meet and greet session that i was invited to. so why is this revenge? because this bastard that i used to date is a huge BTS fan.. he's actually responsible for getting me into them( and sunny Day and Jeremy Enigk and Jon Spencer), and he's going to the show too. only *i* get to go to the meet and greet and he doesn't. and it's not like he couldn't. he has a show at the radio station too. its just that he's not crafty enough. so Ha! i'm jest feeling very smug and bitchy about that. mostly because i'm sure i'll see him there. well, it's just about time for me to head home and not do my work. woohah. good thing i've got a station meeting and a concert to help me procrastinate. no sleep til wednesday! i'm like a beastie boys song. ~Courtney The Sultraness of Swing "Homer, we're out of vodka." ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of The Rockford Files V1 #301 *********************************