From: owner-recycled-bin-digest@smoe.org (recycled-bin-digest) To: recycled-bin-digest@smoe.org Subject: recycled-bin-digest V1 #33 Reply-To: recycled-bin@smoe.org Sender: owner-recycled-bin-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-recycled-bin-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "recycled-bin-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. recycled-bin-digest Wednesday, May 28 1997 Volume 01 : Number 033 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Our Shirl on R1 [Dan ] GR: References ["Kevin Chan" ] i'm back! (was Re: GR: References) ["mr. self destruct" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 08:51:26 +0100 From: Dan Subject: Our Shirl on R1 Hey all, During Jo Whiley's show on Radio 1 yesterday she had a quick chat with Shirley over the phone. She said she'd been in Madison for about 6 weeks working on the new album but not much had been done yet, and they had set a target date to finish recording of September 1st, adding that whether or not they'd manage that was anybody's guess. As a `favourite love song' to play Shirley chose "Love My Way" by the Psychedelic Furs. Later, Dan. **************** Job's a good 'un *************** Home: http://www.shef.ac.uk/students/me/mea95dad Music: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/1597 ************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 22:29:50 -0400 From: "Kevin Chan" Subject: GR: References I was looking through a Manic Street Preachers' page today & I was reading the FAQ. They had a nifty section as to people mentioned in songs and things that had significance(like La Tristesse Durera, Kulturkampf or the Brady Bill). I don't see any significance in any of Garbage's references too much...here's the only four I came up with: Joan of Arc-Said spirits(or was it God?) told her to go against the king, who didn't have the right to rule France...persuaded Charles(I think its Charles) to allow her to lead an army. Eventually burned at the stake, but now its honoured as somewhat of a heroine...reference is used in Vow to state revenge... Jesus Christ-Crucified by Poncius Pilot(sp?) because of fear that he would overthrow the king of Israel by claiming to be a "king". Came back from the dead eventually...reference is used in Vow due to coming back from the dead & to show that what you do comes back to haunt you... Hare Krishna-some sort of religion...I think its just the sound of the words that it was used in Subhuman.. Sacred apple-I believe this is a reference to the apple that Adam ate in the Garden of Eden..perhaps used in Subhuman as "daring" someone to do something bad...or as a dark side of a person... these are the only four references I found in Garbage lyrics...I don't believe there are any famous quotes or anything, but I'm not a quote master or anything...this could lead to a nice section on someone's Garbage page *hint* *hint*..anyways, just wondering, but why don't we have an FAQ(or am I responsible for that?)... a few other points I would like to bring up that hopefully will generate some debate on here... 1. How do most people view the quality of Garbage's lyrics...I think they are only average...maybe it's cos they decide to focus on love instead of something like society's ills...btw, I consider great lyrics like something the Manic Street Preachers , Suede or Pulp have done... 2. Just how important is Garbage to this "bridging" of rock/alternative rock & electronic music...is it just me or do I not hear that much of an electronice influence in Garbage's music ? boy...am I gonna get torn apart on that comment...hehehehe... well, take care & have a good one...looking forward to the discussion... Kevin Chan LuvYaMira@worldnet.att.net http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Marina/6273/index.html Milhouse or Delicious on IRC GO HABS ! COME ON YOU REDS ! NP: Gold Against the Soul by the Manic Street Preachers on Gold Against the Soul ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 20:32:04 -0700 From: "mr. self destruct" Subject: i'm back! (was Re: GR: References) ok, ok.. you can pull yer pants back on now, i know i'm not *that* exciting. :) but um.. well, i *am* bored. lol. so i'll fullfil my debating buddies wishes: > 1. How do most people view the quality of Garbage's lyrics... i think they are, for the most part, (and if not shallow), direct. not much poetry involved. i remember cringing at the cliches when i was trying to justify my complete devotion to this band at one point. hehe. well, i'm harsh. no, they have good pop songs. i guess the words are ok, too. > I think they > are only average...maybe it's cos they decide to focus on love instead of > something like society's ills...btw, I consider great lyrics like something > the Manic Street Preachers , Suede or Pulp have done... pulp? jarvis just sings about getting laid. well, 6.5 out of 12 songs on different class are about it, and i don't *even* want to start on his and hers.. > 2. Just how important is Garbage to this "bridging" of rock/alternative > rock & electronic music...is it just me or do I not hear that much of an > electronice influence in Garbage's music ? boy...am I gonna get torn apart > on that comment...hehehehe... on the album, there isn't as much electronic influence as the b-sides. at the time, though (don't take me as any kind of authority), it seemed like it was *just* being discovered - that bougeoning genre. so i guess that their album was briefly revolutionary. i think that the b-sides are more definitely unique. If they continue to make music like that, then i think that they shouldn't be swallowed by their own inovations. lalalala... that's all :) - -mike np noise ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 00:00:29 -0400 From: "Kevin Chan" Subject: Re: i'm back! (was Re: GR: References) > From: mr. self destruct > To: Recycled-Bin@smoe.org > Subject: i'm back! (was Re: GR: References) > Date: 27 May 1997 23:32 > > > 1. How do most people view the quality of Garbage's lyrics... > i think they are, for the most part, (and if not shallow), direct. not > much poetry involved. i remember cringing at the cliches when i was > trying to justify my complete devotion to this band at one point. > hehe. well, i'm harsh. no, they have good pop songs. i guess the > words are ok, too. well, you put it right...I wanted to say that...but I suck wif words...it could also be due to what they sing about...love instead of problems with society...I cant see Garbage getting all political though... > > I think they > > are only average...maybe it's cos they decide to focus on love instead of > > something like society's ills...btw, I consider great lyrics like something > > the Manic Street Preachers , Suede or Pulp have done... > pulp? jarvis just sings about getting laid. well, 6.5 out of 12 songs > on different class are about it, and i don't *even* want to start on his > and hers.. Ummm...Jarvis is a great storyteller, regardless if his topics are about sex...as for 6.5, I dont think there's that many...I can only spot four and a half...which are Pencil Skirt, Live Bed Show, Underwear & significant bits of Common People(which it's main focus isnt even sex), I Spy(same case w/Common People) & Monday Morning...you have to admit though Jarvis can write better lyrics than Garbage as a whole...for that matter maybe Sleeper(in select songs) can write better than Garbage. > > 2. Just how important is Garbage to this "bridging" of rock/alternative > > rock & electronic music...is it just me or do I not hear that much of an > > electronice influence in Garbage's music ? boy...am I gonna get torn apart > > on that comment...hehehehe... > on the album, there isn't as much electronic influence as the b-sides. > at the time, though (don't take me as any kind of authority), it seemed > like it was *just* being discovered - that bougeoning genre. so i guess > that their album was briefly revolutionary. i think that the b-sides > are more definitely unique. If they continue to make music like that, > then i think that they shouldn't be swallowed by their own inovations. > well, even in their b-sides...besides the remixes, the only significant one is Alien Sex Fiend...I'm not hearing anything on the rest that sounds like something semi-electronic, like "It's No Good" by Depeche Mode or "Little Wonder" by David Bowie...even Discotheque is more electronic than some of the Garbage stuff... if it sounds like i hate Garbage, well, I dont.... Kevin Chan LuvYaMira@worldnet.att.net http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Marina/6273/index.html Milhouse or Delicious on IRC GO HABS ! COME ON YOU REDS ! NP: Nothing, but got some Manics song in my head ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 00:23:28 -0400 From: Nato Subject: Re: i'm back! (was Re: GR: References) > 1. How do most people view the quality of Garbage's lyrics... Well...its at least more intelligently written than the Spice Girls (who have replaced my previous token of hate [Alanis - still close tho]) And...hmmm... Hanson. God...Mmmbop do it on a doobop! chiggy chalk chalk! Those kids are gonna grow up and go "oh shit...we this is going to haunt us for the rest of our lives" btw...has anyone else noticed that the youngest MMMbopper seems to be in dire need of medication? He, like, seems to have mental problems...hmmm Maybe he wrote the lyrics. And...Hell, at least Garbage write better than rappers... "yo yo, kill whitey, yo yo! beat down yo mama, yo yo!...word" Hmmmm...welp, not many song lyrics have higher meanings...and most of the people who write good lyrics are folk writers. Hmmmm...ani difranco and tori amos are good, methinks....actually, i never know what tori is talkin about...so...whatever :-) but she does sing about boys in dresses...so thas cool wif me. Awww shit....here i go off on a tangent again! i better stoppit before im here all night :-) > 2. Just how important is Garbage to this "bridging" of > rock/alternative rock & electronic music...is it just me or do I not > hear that much of an electronice influence in Garbage's music ? > boy...am I gonna get torn apart on that comment...hehehehe... Well...their stuff definately has more tech work in it as other "pop" songs. like...hanson has a turn table in it...thas about it. *yay* okbyebye! - -Nate PS: i agree...pulp's lyrics arent too hot NP: with myself ------------------------------ End of recycled-bin-digest V1 #33 *********************************