From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V12 #97 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Sunday, November 11 2007 Volume 12 : Number 097 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [pt] pip and a gun [e m ] Re: [pt] pip and a gun [handal@r2d2.reverse.net (Richard Handal)] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 17:02:50 -0800 (PST) From: e m Subject: Re: [pt] pip and a gun well said indeed. my first reaction to seeing it pop up on the setlist, was excitement. i tried to imagine the sound of it and it was pretty close to what it actually was. it was sonically perfect. at first the props bothered me. i thought it cheapened the song with theatrics that were heard already in the vocals. while this version raises completely new angles to the song, i still feel like the original is very intense in its own way. i came to terms with the props after a bit realizing that it bothered me more b/c tori's big thing at her breakthrough album and tours was how stripped down and bare it all was and how she proved she didn't need anything else to hold an audience. she needed to do that for herself at that time. but that doesn't mean art with embellishments are not good art. it is just not in line with what first impressed me about her music. plus the symbolism in the knife and the gun reveals so much. the debate and the reaction of her "fans" in MAAG not being 100% autobiographical but inspired by her experience. i feel that she must have been making a point that it doesnt matter if it was a gun or a knife and that she points it to the audience can speak to that invasion of her most intimate experiences from her Ears With Feet that are "watching her every sound".... Richard thanks for connecting the ideas of Athena and bringing us the mythology that we know is so important to tori. loving the risk taking of tori!! ellen Cyndi S Crawford wrote: Richard, you have given us a LOT of stuff to soak in and ponder over. VERY insightful stuff, I might add. I can say that I was quite pleased (once I got past the shock of it all) with how this arrangement turned out, but then I AM someone who likes to see people try new things with old songs. :) but it really did shock the hell out of me. I could not BELIEVE what I was seeing. the way she stood, all the way down to the props.. seemed to drip with seething, raging anger. I mean, DAMN. (been VERY busy with school lately--hence my semi-lurkdom...) - -- Cyndi S. Crawford Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 02:37:18 -0600 (CST) From: handal@r2d2.reverse.net (Richard Handal) Subject: Re: [pt] pip and a gun Cyndi replied to my Chicago Gun post: > Richard, you have given us a LOT of stuff to soak in and ponder over. I understand, but I don't want anyone to be intimidated by all the theory. I will always believe that the music and the performances can be taken with full validity on their own as experiences, even if one never heard the songs before--and I mean to include all musics in that. If someone wants to go deeper and try to understand additional layers of meaning in the songs or the performances, that's fine, too. But I never want anyone to feel they must study the secret lives of the songs to be able to have entirely valid and wonderful experiences of them. If a song or performance doesn't speak to one, it seems to me not worth bothering with to figure out more of what's going on with it. And I know some people feel that thinking a lot about the songs is akin to ripping the wings off a butterfly to study it, but I think the better way to study the butterfly is while it's in flight, so there's no pulling off of wings in any of this, the way I see it. Having the background and information from which to draw can greatly enrich the experience one has with the music. I'd like to think that anyone who joined this list would agree with this. > VERY insightful stuff, I might add. Thank you. I've been lucky to be able to devote the necessary time and attention to music to be able to better know whereof I'm hearing and seeing. > I can say that I was quite pleased (once I got past the shock of it > all) with how this arrangement turned out, but then I AM someone who > likes to see people try new things with old songs. :) I would guess that she'll do this Gun some more before the DVD taping of it late in the tour, so she may continue changing it, or just tweak it. We shall find out. Be seeing you, Richard Handal, H.G. ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V12 #97 *************************************