From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V12 #6 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Thursday, February 22 2007 Volume 12 : Number 006 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [pt] Tori's new picture.. [Kelley ] Re: [pt] Tori's new picture.. [Cyndi S Crawford ] Re: [pt] Tori's new picture.. [Cyndi S Crawford ] Re: Fw: [pt] tori - warsaw - june 19th [handal@r2d2.reverse.net (Richard ] Re: [pt] Tori's new picture.. [handal@r2d2.reverse.net (Richard Handal)] Re: [pt] Tori's new picture.. [Cyndi S Crawford ] [pt] manchester ticket information [wojbearpig ] Re: [pt] Tori's new picture.. [e m ] [pt] Re: precious-things-digest V12 #5 [Ryan Engel ] Re: [pt] Tori's new picture.. ["Amy Wasnidge" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 20:14:53 -0500 From: Kelley Subject: Re: [pt] Tori's new picture.. The pic to me seems more about Original Sin, being that women are "cursed" with periods and must subordinate themselves to men (God). Not a new theme for her. She seems to be playing out several archetypes of woman in th image: slut (dress, hair and makeup), mother (suburbia), good girl (Bible), Divine Feminine (menstrual blood), and her shadow (shame). She's also standing in the Christ stigmata pose, "was a girl back in Bethelehem." Those were my thoughts on it. - -- ~~S. Kelley Harrell, C.Ht. Author of /Gift of the Dreamtime: Awakening to the Divinity of Trauma/ Soul Intent Arts An intertribal shamanic practice for Universal wellbeing Intentional Insights by Kelley ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 21:23:42 -0500 From: Cyndi S Crawford Subject: Re: [pt] Tori's new picture.. hmm... Kelley, I think I like your interpretation better. :-D especially if we consider the possibility that she's just continuing off of the themes from Scarlet's Walk and the Beekeeper. (though I still have to wonder if the red dress.. being a red, shiny, and slinky dress, was a hint back to MAAG at all. she could've picked green or blue or purple, for example.) - -- Cyndi S. Crawford ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 21:25:12 -0500 From: Cyndi S Crawford Subject: Re: [pt] Tori's new picture.. and then there's her hair--it looks a lot like it did back during her YKTR days, except straight, and not full of hairspray. (sorry, meant to add this to my previous reply..) - -- Cyndi S. Crawford ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 21:33:28 -0500 (EST) From: handal@r2d2.reverse.net (Richard Handal) Subject: Re: Fw: [pt] tori - warsaw - june 19th Responding to woj, who said this: > just curious if the day of music mailing lists -- at least in the > toriverse -- had passed. I think asking us on the mailing list if we think the time for the mailing list has passed, is a bit like asking a homeowner if they want the government to tear their home down to build a new highway. We want to stay in our home, thank you! Love the synchronicity of the title of Tori's new album American Doll Posse being announced the same day this set of articles came out in the Health section of The Washington Post. They can be accessed here. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/16/AR2007021602263.html Goodbye to Girlhood As Pop Culture Targets Ever Younger Girls, Psychologists Worry About a Premature Focus on Sex and Appearance By Stacy Weiner Special to The Washington Post Tuesday, February 20, 2007; Page HE01 Ten-year-old girls can slide their low-cut jeans over "eye-candy" panties. French maid costumes, garter belt included, are available in preteen sizes. Barbie now comes in a "bling-bling" style, replete with halter top and go-go boots. And it's not unusual for girls under 12 to sing, "Don't cha wish your girlfriend was hot like me?" American girls, say experts, are increasingly being fed a cultural catnip of products and images that promote looking and acting sexy. [ . . . ] Be sure to check the links in the box titled "Girlhood Lost?" Too bad the graphic on the "She's a Doll . . ." article isn't on their website. Maybe it'll show up later if they get enough complaints. The time is long past to counter the constant pounding through advertising by businesses telling everybody that we need to buy one thing and another that they want to sell us, when people, especially children, need more encouragement to find out who the hell the unique person is that *we* are, and then be satisfied to be that. I find all this straining to copy preposterous, emotionally vacant role models from television and magazines to be bizarre. I was glad when Pink dealt with this subject several months ago, and I think it's great that now Tori is dealing with it. Surely it's no coincidence that Tash would be navigating this stuff. Once again, I find myself quoting the Wicked Witch of the West, who exclaimed: "Oh, what a world, what a world." http://www.americanrhetoric.com/MovieSpeeches/moviespeechthewizardofozwitchmelt.html How funny to be steaming over these things while reading those articles at coffee, and then to come home to the news of the new album. Nutty. Be seeing you, Richard Handal, H.G. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 23:36:08 -0500 (EST) From: handal@r2d2.reverse.net (Richard Handal) Subject: Re: [pt] Tori's new picture.. Cyndi said: > the line "yes I wore a slinky red thing" from Me and a Gun jumped to > my mind when I looked closer at her dress. do any of you think that > perhaps one layer of that picture's symbolism may have to do with her > rape experience? Yes, but let's not focus too much on that. I think it would be a mistake to consider this image too personally from her point of view, but we can draw upon this knowledge to find more universal symbolism. Even when we know she's written a song due to inspiration taken from a personal experience, although I'm interested to know about that, unless there's greater meaning to be had by the people who hear the songs other than Tori, there seems little purpose in that beyond private catharsis. I'm not Tori, and I'm not a voyeur. The music has proved to move me in ways that come out of symbolism that I personally respond to due to emotions *I* have been through, and can feel anew. When someone who has been assaulted goes through a "trigger" experience upon hearing Me and a Gun for the first time , it isn't because Tori went through something, it's because the person listening has deep emotional resonance with where the song takes them--a place that's familiar to them because they know what it's like to be there. Whatever that is in a given song comes through the musician who is performing it, and if the musician had a specific personal experience that allows them to have a deep personal resonance as they perform the song, it makes the song all the more available to whoever is hearing the performance. We haven't heard any of this music, but if the album title and this photo are any indication, I'll be surprised if we don't start seeing in interviews that Tori talks about what the church and the patriarchal culture has done to people, women in particular. And I expect to hear, yet again, how the mythos represented by Mary Magdalen has much to do with helping people to put things back together in themselves. And look at the way she's standing in that photo, bleeding with her arms more or less outstretched. It's difficult for me not to think of a crucifixion. Everything other than Tori being a lifeless grey holds symbolism, too. The house is shaped like a traditional cathedral as seen from the side looking onto the end of one of the transepts. Even the rooftops come to a point like on a cathedral. So the suburban house acts to oppress and tear apart just like the church. http://webpages.ursinus.edu/CIEWeb/cathedral.jpg The photo was cropped in the Rolling Stone version of the photo, and lost the sense of the cathedral that's in the fuller wide image. http://home.businesswire.com/portal/site/home/index.jsp?epi-content=PUBLIC_IMAGE_VIEW&newsId=20070220006092&newsLang=en&contentItemId=1552665 So in the photo, Tori is both Jesus Christ and Mary Magdalen "the repentant sinner" in one image. Powerful stuff. This is just the initial salvo, too. Fasten your seatbelts. Be seeing you, Richard Handal, H.G. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 11:54:23 -0500 From: Cyndi S Crawford Subject: Re: [pt] Tori's new picture.. Richard said: "Yes, but let's not focus too much on that. I think it would be a mistake to consider this image too personally from her point of view, but we can draw upon this knowledge to find more universal symbolism." yeah, I think it's a good starting point, if anything. perhaps a hint at her past. or, as Kelley put it, her shadow. another thing I found interesting about that picture is how the blood is dripping down her LEFT leg, how "SHaME" is written on her left hand, and her left shoe is the one that's unstrapped (or is it broken?), and she's all neat and holding the Bible in her right hand, her right shoe is intact and there's no blood running down her right leg. - -- Cyndi S. Crawford ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 12:33:01 -0500 From: wojbearpig Subject: [pt] manchester ticket information http://www.ticketmaster.co.uk/event/17003E55A3276605 Tori Amos Manchester Apollo, Manchester, Lancashire, UK Thu 5 Jul 2007, 19:00 #29.50 Internet Onsale Info Onsale to General Public: Fri 23/02/07, 10:00 SJM CONCERTS PRESENT TORI AMOS PLUS SPECIAL GUESTS MANCHESTER APOLLO STOCKPORT RD, MANCHESTER THU 05-JUL-07 DOORS 19:00 Seating Chart: http://www.ticketmaster.co.uk/seatingchart/190125/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 17:48:42 -0800 (PST) From: e m Subject: Re: [pt] Tori's new picture.. I've just had THE craziest day ever and come home to TORI NEWS!!! DELICIOUS timing! anyway, one thing I always loved about tori's album/artwork is that the images really mess with the soundscape on the album. pele- dark and blues, earthy, gutsy choirgirl - sharp electric. all the colors pop in the darkness strange little girls - muddled and warm... this image is only one, but the colors and the mood speak to me in a choirgirl meets strange little girls way. the lines and colors are crisp and sharp. its grasping at straws since this is all only exterior image and packaging, but I want more news of substance (greed). and i am hoping that there may be truth to this. also, it reminds me of a bjork lyric from who is it (carry my pain on my right, carry my joy on the left) the heart being on the left side of our body... the division of the soul/body. the schism of a soul, the schism of a nation. the bible, the midwest "values" being exploited for so much wrong doing in leadership in the world... these are all first impact thoughts...my gut reactions just my two drachmas! ellen Cyndi S Crawford wrote: Richard said: "Yes, but let's not focus too much on that. I think it would be a mistake to consider this image too personally from her point of view, but we can draw upon this knowledge to find more universal symbolism." yeah, I think it's a good starting point, if anything. perhaps a hint at her past. or, as Kelley put it, her shadow. another thing I found interesting about that picture is how the blood is dripping down her LEFT leg, how "SHaME" is written on her left hand, and her left shoe is the one that's unstrapped (or is it broken?), and she's all neat and holding the Bible in her right hand, her right shoe is intact and there's no blood running down her right leg. - -- Cyndi S. Crawford - --------------------------------- Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 21:13:39 -0500 From: Ryan Engel Subject: [pt] Re: precious-things-digest V12 #5 Chiming in from the digest version, I absolutely think precious-things should continue. It is that smell of spring many of us rely on to wake up from our respective winter hibernations. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 08:58:58 -0500 > From: wojbearpig > Subject: [pt] tori - warsaw - june 19th > > forward just in case anyone here is not on torinews or toritour. (hey, > is anyone on precious-things NOT on either of those news/info lists?) > > (and, just out of curiosity, what do people think of precious-things? > worth keeping going? the lack of actual happenings in the toriverse are > certainly contributing to the relative quietude around these parts, > but it seems particularly moribund lately and that has me wondering....) > > woj ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 20:46:47 -0600 From: "Amy Wasnidge" Subject: Re: [pt] Tori's new picture.. Can anyone tell me - someone had asked me if that new pic of Tori is her standing in front of her dad's church or at least one that is supposed to represent it? I have no idea, but she said it looked awfully familiar to the one seen in one of those VH1 shows (Behind the Music or whatever). Anyone know? Thanks! Amy ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V12 #6 ************************************