From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V10 #197 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Tuesday, November 8 2005 Volume 10 : Number 197 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: first four bootlegs [wojizzle forizzle ] Re: first four bootlegs ["S p a r k ." ] Re: first four bootlegs [handal@r2d2.reverse.net (Richard Handal)] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 11:19:26 -0500 From: wojizzle forizzle Subject: Re: first four bootlegs one time at band camp, Kenneth Mayer (kenny_mayer@yahoo.com) said: >I have the first four, listened to them once and am >not to impressed. kenny's not on the list, but i am curious: what is the general consensus on the bootlegs? are people happy with them? disappointed? why so? i'm happy with them though i sitll prefer listening to audience recordings to listening to the soundboard boots. partly because i am crazy like that but mostly because i like to feel as if i'm there in the audience hearing the show as it happens. color me kooky but that's the way it is. woj ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 17:32:15 +0100 From: "S p a r k ." Subject: Re: first four bootlegs I pick SBD over AUD any time. However, I am a bit disappointed with the choice of shows. There are a lot of repeat tracks and some of the shows were clearly not her best performances. However, I'm really happy with the Manchester boot and I'm really happy we have Frankfurt, even though that one wasn't officially released. Totally disappointed we didn't get God/RUTH though, and I would still kill to hear an SBD version of the first Pretty Good Year (where she played the first part on Hammond). ..that's about it ;) Martijn. wojizzle forizzle wrote: >one time at band camp, Kenneth Mayer (kenny_mayer@yahoo.com) said: > > > >>I have the first four, listened to them once and am >>not to impressed. >> >> > >kenny's not on the list, but i am curious: what is the general consensus >on the bootlegs? are people happy with them? disappointed? why so? > >i'm happy with them though i sitll prefer listening to audience recordings >to listening to the soundboard boots. partly because i am crazy like that >but mostly because i like to feel as if i'm there in the audience hearing >the show as it happens. color me kooky but that's the way it is. > >woj ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 14:30:20 -0500 (EST) From: handal@r2d2.reverse.net (Richard Handal) Subject: Re: first four bootlegs woj said: > i'm happy with them though i still prefer listening to audience > recordings to listening to the soundboard boots. partly because i am > crazy like that but mostly because i like to feel as if i'm there in > the audience hearing the show as it happens. I haven't heard anything from these official releases yet, but in general, I feel as woj just described. I want to experience the music being as close as possible to the way it was available in the hall that night if one were in a decent seat--ultimate sonic quality be damned. Not having the sense of being in an audience works against that. For those who aren't happy with the song selections, I suggest trying to get away from expectation and desire for any specific things as much as possible, and getting instead into the perspectives of the shows and songs as they were presented. (Expectations kill the possibilities of the fullest music experience. If you listen to music while waiting for something that never happens, then where were you while the music was being performed? You certainly weren't engaged with what *was* presented.) Further, I suggest asking yourselves what the reasons were that these particular concerts were released. There may be some surprises. I read a published review of the Chicago CDs by a self-described Tori fan who said he missed the personal things from her that he'd come to expect from Tori concerts. The trouble with his saying this about that Chicago concert of April this year is that she spoke with deep fondness about her late brother before Operator, sharing with us that he used to "sing this to me on the guitar," and this supposed Tori fan didn't seem to know who her friend Maryanne who inspired the song Marianne was when Tori introduced The Circle Game and said, among other things, that it had been Maryanne's favorite song. How he missed her needing to stop and softly cry toward the end of it and that she could barely whisper some of the words because she was so overcome with emotion is something I don't understand. I suppose he was expecting a cute story of some specific nature and missed all that because it didn't happen to be what he was waiting to hear her do. The only reason I didn't write that publication to complain was the wee chance that some of the things spoken from the stage might have been edited out. I hope they weren't. Without that context, the meaning is lost. > color me kooky but that's the way it is. Hey, in my woj coloring book, you've always been kooky. :-) Be seeing you, Richard Handal, H.G. ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V10 #197 **************************************