From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V10 #152 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Monday, August 15 2005 Volume 10 : Number 152 Today's Subjects: ----------------- cary show thoughts [Kelley ] Fw: cary show thoughts ["Tony Fernandes" ] camden tickets for sale [wojizzle forizzle ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 00:31:02 -0400 From: Kelley Subject: cary show thoughts starfuckers, fandom and a somber affair that's the somber affair part, which i will get to, but i think the other two parts are pretty significant too. in fact, i think they're quite related. i've been a Tori fan from Little Earthquakes, seen her every tour, been to several meet & greets along the way, although i have never met her. i have never been comfortable with the pushy affairs of fandom, though i always enjoyed seeing her greet her fans and get a sense of her spirit in proximity. all the longtime fans saw a major change in the m&gs around the time of the Dew Drop Inn Tour, at which point Tori herself sent out public comments to fans to back off of each other and give everyone a chance to interact with her. maybe she needs to do it again, or maybe some people just don't give a fuck, because what i witnessed today only reinforced my lack of interest in being that involved in a fandom. when i realized that she was literally going to be in my backyard, i decided i was going to shoot for the m&g, and that i would actually FINALLY make an effort to meet her. myself, SO, two friends and her two little sisters (9 and 8 years old) all planned to go to the m&g. we got there in plenty of time, and from the minute we came round the venue the conversation weaving through the crowd revealed the starfuckers. "well, i'm # ___" and they said nobody else after me." there were about 40 people there total, and Tori came out in pretty decent spirits. she seemed a great deal more guarded than i have observed her being in the past, but it's been easily 4 tours since i went to a m&g. i didn't think much of it. but the first thing she said was that her mother and father would be attending, and that it was the first time that her family had been in the area since her brother died at Duke last winter. she said because of the weight of their reunion she would have to hold a very different space, and indicated that she felt out of sorts about that. she went on to sign autographs, and told people not to push, that she would get to everyone and circulate around. at the beginning, the people who were nearest her got their autographs, hugs and photos and moved out of the fray. everyone else moved up. it continued this way for about 15 minutes until this one little group got up to the barricade. they did the same round of fans stuff that everyone else was doing, but they didn't move back when they were done. there were about 5 of them, and one in particular would hold the area and shuffle her friends up from the back so that they could cut in front of everyone else. despite this, we in the middle held the ground and waited patiently, moving the two kids (the ONLY kids in the group) as close to the front as we could. Tori kept talking and signing. then in the space of a millisecond, she looked up and said, "i gotta roll. catch you guys later," and she very abruptly turned around and left. it was curt and the vibe of the whole affair bottomed out. i don't know what happened, but it was a total 180, as if someone had said something or did something displeasing, cos everything was fine one second and then it wasn't and she was gone. i have seen 200 people at M&gs before and there was not this kind of vibe or reaction from Tori. everyone in the crowd, including myself, reacted like a 1 year old getting dropped off at daycare. not the most mature reaction, but everyone was utterly stunned. i truly don't know what that was about. so somewhat shocked and dejected we headed to dinner and then back to the venue for the show. on our way walking in, who do we meet but the group of starfuckers SELLING THEIR AUTOGRAPHED PHOTOGRAPHS IN THE PARKINGLOT. yeah, i was pissed. i have met a ton, i mean a TON of awesome people through tori fan groups. i have been in touch with many of them since the Under the Pink era. i'm seriously taken aback by the "fans" that i observed today. i've read other people expressing these experiences on the various Tori groups i circle in, but now i finally see at a deeper level what they (and Tori herself, in the past) are talking about. i won't give much detail to how the lead starfucker shoved her way to the front of the show seating, totally oblivious to the people she was cutting off, even though they were asking her to move back. on to the show... it was very sad. she did not speak much at all, only saying that she loved the heat, and that her mother told her it had been 100 degrees when she was born, not too far from Cary, and that she liked it that hot. she dedicated the piano bar portion of the show to her brother, Michael, playing Dreams (fleetwood mac) and Long and Winding Road. they were phenomenal and downloadworthy. she played a lot of new songs, and many of the olds ones that i usually attribute to her singing to a lover felt as though she was singing them to someone else tonight. through the second half of the show i felt like i was attending the funeral of a distant relative--someone i did not know well, but felt very sad about the grief of my loved ones who did. i almost felt like i was intruding on a private affair. she did an amazing improv to Crucify, of which i only caught part: i went to bible school just like you not far from here at Lake Junaluska running by the water chasing Michael chasing you i'm repeating myself, but it was incredibly sad. her encore (of 3) included Toast, and Baker Baker, which instead of lovers parting felt like a little sister never being enough. there was no rushing the stage. o wait--people tried (guess who was the lead among them), but they were quickly sent back to their seats. about the venue... i had never been to Regency Park before. who thought that reversed stadium seating was a good idea? the whole seated section was sunken in the center, so that each row back was actually LOWER than the row in front of it. besides that little snaffu, it was a good location. my SO got some good photos of her from a distance that he may put out at some point. so how was all of this linked? the vibe was bent from the time we got there. as we learned what was going on in Tori's world, it made sense why. she was upset about just coming to the area, let alone performing the show. i am glad that she honors her natural process in healing, and is so very cognisant of how to hold the space for her family to honor theirs. i've seen Tori a ton of times now, and while this show doesn't stand out as the most amazing, best set list, or most cathartic, it stands out in how she presented herself to us. although a common theme we hear afterthefact in her music, it was evident to see in her performance: her amazing power in moving through painfully difficult times. - -- ~~S. Kelley Harrell, C.Ht. Soul Intent Arts An intertribal shamanic practice for Universal wellbeing Intentional Insight by Kelley ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 13:35:29 -0700 From: "Tony Fernandes" Subject: Fw: cary show thoughts Sorry to hear about your experience at the m&g Kelley. I have also been a fan since LE and I came THIS close to meeting Tori at the Dew Drop Inn tour in Seattle. Since then I have completely and utterly given up trying to meet her. I'm certain that if I tried hard enough to meet her I could. But the price of failure would devistate me. If I had an experience like you did at the m&g I think I would be so deepy affected by just BARELY getting to meet her that it would bother me for a long, long time. You see, I'm one of those fans that if I ever DID get to meet Tori it would be the most profoundly spiritual, life-changing, emotionally charged experience of my life. On the flip side of that you have the most undescribable feeling of emptiness and depression that would accompany such a close miss in the chance to meet her. I don't think I could handle it and I wouldn't want to put myself in that position becuase I know the way I'd feel afterwards. Sucks big time but I'd much rather not try at all and just focus on seeing her in concert. Tony What's more likely? That an all-powerful mysterious god created the universe and then decided not to give any proof of his existence? Or, that he simply doesn't exist at all? And that we created him so that we wouldn't have to feel so small and alone. - Jodie Foster, Contact ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 18:48:36 -0400 From: wojizzle forizzle Subject: camden tickets for sale missy and i have three tickets -- one pair and one single -- to the camden show for sale. they are all in section 100, row B. the single is seat #8 and the pair is seats 15 and 16. these are on the house right side in the second row behind the pit. a seating chart is at http://vptc-le.clearchannel.com/timages/page/tweeterchart.gif we purchased these during the presale and are asking what we paid for them: $55 each. we have these tickets in hand and can either mail them to you or meet you at the venue. if you are interested, please e-mail me. thanks! woj ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V10 #152 **************************************