From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V10 #46 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Thursday, March 3 2005 Volume 10 : Number 046 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Stylus Magazine review ["pete lambert" ] Beekeeper review from Rag Magazine ["Melissa Olges" ] sf / fan club seating [Lisa071573@aol.com] Re: precious-things-digest V10 #44 [Richard Handal ] Re: WTF!?!?! [toriless@comcast.net] Re: WTF!?!?! [shaman@comcast.net] Re: WTF!?!?! [toriless@comcast.net] Re: WTF!?!?! [Nadyne Mielke ] Re: Tori on Sirius satellite radio [Nadyne Mielke ] Re: concert help help help! [Amanda Bradley ] tori-tickets & ticketmaster [OriginalSin24@aol.com] ticket idea [Christina Wong ] ugh tickets! [TORIBREE@aol.com] Re: ticket idea [TORIBREE@aol.com] Re: tori-tickets & ticketmaster [Richard Handal ] Re: Stylus Magazine review [Richard Handal ] tori / hartford / april 10 [jeff albertson ] Re: tori-tickets & ticketmaster [life in the so-called space age ] presale tomorrow? [ALaro22912@aol.com] Tori on the catwalk ["KARIN A. FISCHER" ] Re: tori-tickets & ticketmaster [Richard Handal ] Re: some help? [Nadyne Mielke ] two tori tour tidbits [jeff albertson ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 23:03:13 -0000 From: "pete lambert" Subject: Re: Stylus Magazine review Lou said: > I am a "mad nutter" when it comes to Tori So am I! Just dont want the rest of the world to find out :o) Sorry if i got all School Mistressy, you hit a raw nerve and i should've credited you with a bit of irony. Now, can someone answer this question, eloquently put by my other half yesterday, which for once I simply couldn't think of a response to: "That song 'Ireland': what the f_ck?" Pete x change, my dear ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 19:04:22 -0600 From: "Melissa Olges" Subject: Beekeeper review from Rag Magazine Tori Amos The Beekeeper Epic With stories of mustard seeds, cinnabar juice, pirates, honey, ribbons and original sin (um, make that sinsuality), the red vixen, Tori Amos, invites us to indulge in the shake-shake-shake and sultry shimmy of her sweet sting on this 19-track release. Vintage organs, Afro-Cuban drums and the London Community Gospel Choir join Amos and her boys (Matt Chamberlain: drums, Jon Evans: bass). Most of these songs flutter with the airy lightness of butterfly wings, but Amos has not lost touch with reality; terms like terrorist, vegetarian, office girls and Barneys now freely swim in her lyric pool. Amos also continues her unofficial mission to set the religious records straight: "She is Risen," she affirms on "Barons of Suburbia," and "Original Sin? I don't think so," she attests with "Original Sinsuality." Famous beaus have often been her vocal partners; previously Trent Reznor and Maynard James Keenan. The Beekeeper entertains Damien Rice for a blissful track about the power of orange knickers. Rice and Amos calmly ask, "Can somebody tell me now, who is this terrorist?" For the most part, Amos has chosen grace over her sometimes radical approach to topics. Her growth has never been more apparent. The woman who once sang spiteful tales of being a waitress, now sings about driving in her Saab to Ireland. We get the same balmy-days-of-sweet-sangria tones from Scarlet's Walk with this record. And like Scarlet's, the Bee remembers past loves, addictions and cowboys. The final track, "Toast," says adieu with much of the same somber eloquence that "Gold Dust" did. Strangely, it could almost be an epilogue to Rice's "Cheer's Darlin'." "With a toast he's telling me it's time/ To let you go/ let you go," she states, and coolly exits. - - Monica Cady http://www.ragmagazine.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 22:09:38 -0500 From: Cyndi S Crawford Subject: some help? does anyone know where I can write to Tori through her management or through her record label? I already know of writing through her parents, but does she not have a "business" type of address to send letters to? thanks. Sincerely, Cyndi S. Crawford "I know we're dying / and there's no sign of a parachute / we scream in cathedrals / why can't it be beautiful / why does there gotta be a sacrifice?" -- Tori Amos ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 01:12:20 EST From: Lisa071573@aol.com Subject: sf / fan club seating Christina - I had the exact same problem with the SF show. I pulled up a terrace JJ seat and thought - what is this crap? - threw it away and then got nothing... not even one more crappy terrace ticket. So I bought a single ticket off ebay for $140 in the loge and then yesterday at work I happened to check TM again, and got an upper orchestra seat. So, now I have my very expensive loge H seat to try to figure out what to do with :P *sigh* I also wish Tori had some sort of fan club for tickets (other than just luck with Joel the night of the show). Melissa Etheridge has fan club seating which unfortunately has gotten rather pricey in the last few years... but back when I signed up in 1994, the tickets were only $20 over TM's price and you were guaranteed a seat within the first 10-15 rows. It was a lottery so sometimes you'd get 6th row and sometimes 15 but you didn't know until the night of the show. You show up with your postcard they sent you confirming the purchase and your ID to get your two tickets (only two - and you can't buy just one). Still, worth the extra $20 to know you're most likely in the first 10 rows. (I think the worst I ever had was about 17th row and I think now because of demand they are up to the first 20 rows...) Recently they even instituted a seniority program so since I'd been a member since 1994 I would get better tickets than the person who signed up yesterday (although my membership lapsed so I think I'm out of seniority or else I have to pay the couple years' membership fee ($25) to regain my seniority). Anyway, I loved it and it worked out great. Barry Manilow does the same thing - they have fan club seats that they sell for some $ amt over the price you pay at ticketmaster. Shit, my mom (an avid Fanilow) even got to decorate Barry's dressing room as part of a fan club thingie and she's had front row tickets on more than one occasion. So, there are ways to do it and it'd be very cool if Tori could come up with something for us. Lisa ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 05:07:44 -0500 (EST) From: Richard Handal Subject: Re: precious-things-digest V10 #44 Hi, All, Regarding fan clubs and tickets, I expect Tori's people still feel burned from the troubled fan club situations they encountered some years back, and they've shown no inclination toward forming their own official one. Be seeing you, Richard Handal, H.G. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 05:09:20 -0800 From: toriless@comcast.net Subject: Re: WTF!?!?! On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 23:00:26 EST, you wrote: > >Ok so obviously the bastard Ticket Scalpers are at it heavily with this >piano tour Tori is doing.. Below you will find just a sampling of what is going >on at ebay.. I find this completely REDICULOUS! I know its life but what the >hell! Sorry to curse.. but I have had a bad ticket day today.. well it turned >out good in the end.. going to Philadelphia instead of NYC, but still a HUGE >headache and pain in the butt in general.. >I would love to hear what others think about this.. >:).. >anne > ... >$177.50 21 11h 44m > D CENTER***AWESO***3RD > >$154.00 12 9h 33m > ... Shoot that cheap! In Seattle they're asking $400 which is twice the legal limit (double ticket price) for this state. I guess that they get around it by buying from another state? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 05:21:54 -0800 From: shaman@comcast.net Subject: Re: WTF!?!?! On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 18:11:25 -0500, you wrote: > >Has anyone tried calling ticketmaster and telling them what happened? It's >insane that the only people who got tickets were scalpers. I might try calling >them...not sure it'd do any good, though. > >-Lisa What's the point?? I remember problems like this back in the early 80's when I did some work for them. It's actually the promoters that facilitate a lot of it. I specifically remember a promoter for a James Brown concert used a very strong method to stop such practices but I've never seen it done right since. It was similar to the 1998 preview shows that was a huge disaster with the fucking signature BS. They had the tickets at the venue but it went ten times as fast because they skipped all that double signature look up bullshit and just had you show ID to pick up you tickets. It's about as fast as buying movie theatre tickets and avoids "substitutions". It's not perfect but it would cut down on the institutional brokering of tickets as happens regularly these days. Anyhow, it's never been done in the 20+ years since. Clearly, the promoters are crooks who are supplying their partners. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 06:06:34 -0800 From: toriless@comcast.net Subject: Re: WTF!?!?! On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 08:01:07 -0800, you wrote: >This is what Tori did on her first tour with the band, the club tour in >1998. You could buy a maximum of two tickets before the show. When >you bought the tickets, you had to show picture identification, and >they copied down your name and identification number onto a receipt. >You got one copy of it, they kept the other. On the day of the show, >you had to show that same picture ID to get into the venue with one >guest. That tour was a fucking disaster because they required you to show your voucher show a signature and sign you voucher and then sign another piece of paper and en show ID a second time and then get your ticket and then go it which take 6-20 times a long. Thay also opened less than an hour before the show and took 3-4 hours to let people in. Tori was on stage and playing and they were still letting people in. It was horrible !! A complete disaster. It was NOT as you describe. I've picked up will call tickets and they go several time as fast. You just show them ID and you out of there. That's NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT what happened in 1998 !!! >It worked, but it was a huge hassle for both the venue and the artist. >It's a huge headache to manage it. Remember, TM is attractive to >venues because they just magically make everything happen -- there's no >concerns about having insane fans camped outside the venue all night, >they don't have to staff their own ticket office, etc etc etc. It did not work!!! it was a fucking disorganized mess!!! I was there from 9 am to 2 PM and than again from 9 AM to 6 PM on the concert day and was too tired to enjoy much. I've done it since but I do not enjoy the hassle. 90% of the camping out happen with non-reserved seating like happens at Seattle Key Arena. Even the preview shows were animal seating. All it takes to do it right is proper planning and they are lazy. > >There's a lot of good advice about how to get tickets in "Little Blue >World". TicketBastard and scalpers are not your only ways to get >tickets. LBW is a nice newsletter but Tori doesn't think you are worth supporting and isn't interested in any fan clubs. I guess that organizing Tori fans is about as easy as herding cats. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 08:15:10 -0800 From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: WTF!?!?! At 06:06 AM 3/2/2005, toriless@comcast.net wrote: [the club tour] >That tour was a fucking disaster because they required you to show >your voucher show a signature and sign you voucher and then sign >another piece of paper and en show ID a second time and then get >your ticket and then go it which take 6-20 times a long. Thay also >opened less than an hour before the show and took 3-4 hours to >let people in. Tori was on stage and playing and they were still >letting people in. It was horrible !! A complete disaster. It was >NOT as you describe. I've picked up will call tickets and they go >several time as fast. You just show them ID and you out of there. >That's NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT what happened in 1998 !!! I didn't mean to imply that something like will-call tickets is what happened on the club tour. It was definitely a more involved process, with that weird voucher thing. At the three club tour shows that I attended (Florida, Atlanta, and Boston), I didn't see that there were problems with it taking 3-4 hours to let people in. I was one of the last people to enter the Boston show, and was still on the floor long before her opening act (what was his name? David Poe?) took the stage. [snip] > LBW is a nice newsletter but Tori doesn't think you are worth >supporting and isn't interested in any fan clubs. I guess that >organizing Tori fans is about as easy as herding cats. Well, that second statement is certainly true. :) Tori's been very careful with us, due to problems with the previous fanzines. "Upside Down" was especially problematic, and we've heard over and over that the issues that they caused for Tori and her management are why they're so leery of us. But even "Really Deep Thoughts" and "Take to the Sky" weren't well-loved by Tori's people, since their publication schedule was erratic at best. That said, we do have a few things going for us. The Amos family archivist quite likes us (as evinced by allowing us to come into his archives, and spending more than eight hours with him on that day). We also have a good relationship with Dr Amos, who feeds us information and helps us deal with Epic and Bridge when he can. We've scheduled an interview with Tori later this month. We're also going to be allowed to distribute a flyer on the upcoming tour. Our relationship with Tori and her people is getting better, although it's not to the point that we'd like. But we go on producing a zine every three months, and have now done so on schedule for four years. That's something that none of the other zines can say. We hope that our continued professionalism will show them that we don't behave like the other zines did, and that we can get official recognition soon. /nm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 14:08:38 -0800 From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: Tori on Sirius satellite radio At 01:04 PM 2/28/2005, jeff albertson wrote: >sorry for the late notice on this! just found out myself. hopefully someone >with sirius can listen (and even record!) this! No need to apologise for the late notice, woj. It's airing on Thursday, 10 March. It's not tonight. Sorry that I wasn't clearer in my original post to tori-boot. :) /nm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 11:14:25 -0600 From: "Lauren H" Subject: concert help help help! yeah, so im sure this is nothing new, just a desperate plea for help! i tried to find tickets for the 4/17 show in grand prarie, tx, and they say its sold out! ok, this is the day after MY BIRTHDAY! all i really wanted was 2 go to this concert with my best friend, that's it. so i refuse 2 believe the entire show can be sold out in 4 days, its insane, there tryin 2 pull something i just know! so i guess im looking 4 any advice or wisdom out there b4 i just accept it and move on. i am not paying over $100 for a ticket b/c i dont have the $ and its just plain WRONG! someone should tell Tori about this ridiculousness, i doubt she'd be pleased. toodles I truly believe that until we learn to see each other as people... beyond the label of woman, man, white, black, them; we can never move beyond hatred and ignorance. "War does not determine who is right; war determines who is left." Jesus (that's Hey-soos) "When I despair I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seemed invincible but in the end, they always fall--- think of it, always. "The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong. "Hatred can only be overcome by love." - - Mahatma Ghandi (India) "We have a beatiful mother./Her green lap immense./Her brown embrace eternal./Her blue body everthing we know." Alice Walker ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 10:45:45 -0800 (PST) From: Amanda Bradley Subject: Re: concert help help help! Well Lauren, I have some bad news. Just yesterday I returned 3 great seats to this show because I found better seats. I tried to give them away first, but I couldn't find any takers. I'm sorry. I wish you luck with your scavenger hunt for tickets. It really surprises me that this theatre is sold out because it seats over 6300 people. Lauren H wrote: yeah, so im sure this is nothing new, just a desperate plea for help! i tried to find tickets for the 4/17 show in grand prarie, tx, and they say its sold out! ok, this is the day after MY BIRTHDAY! all i really wanted was 2 go to this concert with my best friend, that's it. so i refuse 2 believe the entire show can be sold out in 4 days, its insane, there tryin 2 pull something i just know! so i guess im looking 4 any advice or wisdom out there b4 i just accept it and move on. i am not paying over $100 for a ticket b/c i dont have the $ and its just plain WRONG! someone should tell Tori about this ridiculousness, i doubt she'd be pleased. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 14:26:24 EST From: OriginalSin24@aol.com Subject: tori-tickets & ticketmaster Hi everyone. I just wanted to say this real quick since most of the Tori shows are listed as sold out. You might know this, but just incase you don't..... About 2 weeks before the show, ticketmaster will open up seats...just start checking everyday....they are usually good to! For Cleveland '03 I sat center stage, 8th row...and bought my tickets 3 days beforehand..I thought that wass pretty good. I used to work a ticketmaster outlet before, that's how I know....so try that..don't get to upset if you weren't able to get tix right away. I wish we could do something to make ticket brokers illegal. They piss me off so bad. It's like, why not go get some education and get a real job to make money... I don't know all of you personally, but I know I'm a poor college student and can't afford to pay $300.00 to see Tori as per ebay... Sorry if this turned into a rant..haha. Be well. Jon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 11:34:53 -0800 (PST) From: Christina Wong Subject: ticket idea Hey All, After seeing at least 3 pleas for tickets on this listserve and then reading someone elses that said that she didn't know how to give away three tickets... I thought why not just make it an assumption that many of us want tickets to most of the shows throughout the nation and if anyone is giving away tickets, let the listserve know. It's just a suggestion because of course anyone that is complaining about not getting tickets I am sure want tickets (I included). So let's try not to send a billion e-mails requesting tickets for shows when those who have tickets could just post it on this listserve. Just a suggestion! __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 15:21:56 EST From: TORIBREE@aol.com Subject: ugh tickets! So I'm trying to get tickets (good, even decent will do) for the NY show through "Ticketbastard"... no matter what I enter for ticket criteria, I get "there were no tickets that matched my request." However, it doesn't state that the show is sold out, any advice? Also, anyone know when Boston tickets will be going on sale, that is one show I HAVE to go to, of course I would like to make it to NY also, but my hometown is Boston... Anyone think starting some sort of letter/petition about all the ticket troubles would help us any in this mess? I'd for one be more than willing to sign that! Thanks everyone, hope you're all having better luck than I am... - -Theresa, just a girl trying to get a ticket or two... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 15:25:05 EST From: TORIBREE@aol.com Subject: Re: ticket idea very good idea, seems we all really need to come together and help each other out on this one! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 16:09:10 -0500 (EST) From: Richard Handal Subject: Re: tori-tickets & ticketmaster Jon said: > About 2 weeks before the show, ticketmaster will open up seats...just > start checking everyday....they are usually good to! And don't WAIT until two weeks before the concert in question; as reported here, more tickets already showed up for one show a day or two after there first were none. Who got those tickets, someone complaining there weren't any tickets, or someone who checked back for more available tickets? I'll give a second for some of you to consider that. [ . . . ] People need to get out of their heads the idea that 100% of a finite number of tickets goes on sale and are sold in a single batch and there are no more thereafter. It don't work that way. My standard basic advice holds: if you want a ticket and have been initially denied, keep trying again and again. Some people aren't open to hearing this, but that's what this is. Good luck to all. Be seeing you, Richard Handal, H.G. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 16:19:03 -0500 (EST) From: Richard Handal Subject: Re: Stylus Magazine review Pete posted: > Now, can someone answer this question, eloquently put by my other half > yesterday, which for once I simply couldn't think of a response to: > > "That song 'Ireland': what the f_ck?" Hey, the first time Ireland came on my stereo I laughed out loud, and was instantly seeing an animated cartoon video for it with car bouncing up and down and flaming tresses flowing out the window around the hills of Ireland, and I'm not usually a visual person like that AT ALL. I think it's great. It's highly evocative of what it is. If your other half has a problem with it, Pete, give them my email address. I'd be curious to hear a slightly more eloquent complaint about it. :-) Be seeing you, Richard Handal, H.G. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 16:35:09 -0500 From: jeff albertson Subject: tori / hartford / april 10 i think this was mentioned on the dent and toritour but i don't think it was posted about on these lists. so, just to make sure no one here missed the news... a new show has been added to tori's tour: sunday, april 10th at the bushnell in hartford, connecticut. tickets go on sale this saturday, march 5th at 10am through tickets.com: http://purchase.tickets.com/buy/TicketPurchase?agency=TDC&pid=5507388 the bushnell has the show listed on their site so it looks good to go! woj p.s. please forgive me for saying WOOO HOOO!!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 17:58:12 -0500 From: life in the so-called space age Subject: Re: tori-tickets & ticketmaster In the second you gave us all to think about it, I came up with this: Those two possibilities aren't mutually exclusive. - -- did you change the world or your point of view? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 18:00:10 -0500 (EST) From: songchicky Subject: to some special women hi there, if you are a woman on this list who is a survivor of sexual assault (or sexual abuse), and you are still in possession of a cassette player, please drop me a line. thanks, tanisha. ===== tanishataitt.ca Debut album Overflow available now. ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 19:17:31 EST From: ALaro22912@aol.com Subject: presale tomorrow? i have not heard anything about a presale tomorrow...will there be one? just curious about DC.. anne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 16:52:33 -0800 (PST) From: "KARIN A. FISCHER" Subject: Tori on the catwalk Here are some photos from Tori's appearence at the Viktor and Rolf show today: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/050302/ids_photos_en/r1416124433.jpg http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/050302/482/par12803021616 http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/050302/ids_photos_en/r1858178281.jpg http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/050302/ids_photos_en/r1624847951.jpg http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/050302/ids_photos_en/r714706383.jpg She also played for the people at the show, but I don't know any further details about it. ~~Alex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 21:19:37 -0500 (EST) From: Richard Handal Subject: Re: tori-tickets & ticketmaster Someone who didn't see fit to tell us their name posted: > In the second you gave us all to think about it, I came up with this: > Those two possibilities aren't mutually exclusive. People know what I meant. If you have a Philadelphia lawyer you'd like to have speak with me, Mr. or Ms. Anonymous, give them my address. Be seeing you, Richard Handal, H.G. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 20:34:04 -0800 From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: some help? On 01 Mar 2005, at 19:09, Cyndi S Crawford wrote: > does anyone know where I can write to Tori through her > management > or through her record label? I already know of writing through her > parents, but does she not have a "business" type of address to send > letters to? thanks. Letters of a personal nature that are sent to the record label or her management are simply forwarded to that PO box run by her family. Sending a personal or fan letter to the record label or her management drastically increases the chances that it'll never get to her: they'll read it, determine what to do about it, and then forward it to the PO box. But in that process, they could lose it, or misdirect it, or an intern could eat it for lunch. Letters of a business nature (say, if you wanted rights to use a song) should go to her management. /nm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 23:29:19 -0500 From: jeff albertson Subject: two tori tour tidbits first, as mikewhy has reported on the dent, tickets for the clearwater show will now be sold through ticketmaster instead of tickets.com. the sale date is still the same (friday, march 4 at noon eastern). the sale page at ticketmaster is . second, i was looking at the new york show on ticketmaster and it now indicates that all tickets are for reserved seating (before, as some may recall, it was general admission standing on the floor and unreserved seating in the balconies). assuming this is true, this should make the logistics of that show a little easier for everyone and their feet! ;) those lucky enough to have gotten tickets for this show through ticketmaster, you should be able to find out your row and seat number by logging into ticketmaster and checking the details of the sale in your order history. woj ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V10 #46 *************************************