From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V10 #32 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Thursday, February 17 2005 Volume 10 : Number 032 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: The Beekeeper - My faith restored. [Nadyne Mielke ] Re: Toast [Jennifer Mitts ] Re: Toast [Richard Handal ] Re: The Beekeeper - My faith restored. [Richard Handal ] Tour [ChaseTornadoes@aol.com] helicopter on tour page [ChaseTornadoes@aol.com] toriamos.com posts tour dates [jeff albertson ] Tour [Ange816@aol.com] tori in denver on ticketmaster [jeff albertson ] Re: The Beekeeper - My faith restored. ["Tony Fernandes" Subject: Re: The Beekeeper - My faith restored. At 01:47 PM 2/15/2005, Richard Handal wrote: [snip] >I think subtle attributes in the live versions might create a confusing >work overall, though, which is a big reason I think Pele as it was >recorded has a lot going for it. What is your opinion on the live disc of "To Venus and Back", especially after you have completed (I assume) the new book? To me, it has always felt like a cohesive unit. I know that it's an assembly of various concerts, but I think it works. My biggest complaint about the live disc is "Sugar": it was obviously recorded at a soundcheck sans audience. Technically, it's an excellent version of the song, but I think that it's just missing some ooooomph because Tori isn't playing for an audience. I tend to think of this version as a new studio version, not as a live version. (Just for the record, my other complaint about the live album is that we don't get any of Tori's talk between songs, but then that has decreased in both frequency and length in all of the shows from 1998 on.) I should probably listen to this live disc again now that I've read the book to see if it changed my opinion. /nm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 00:13:30 -0500 (EST) From: songchicky Subject: Beeclips hello you precious things, you can hear clips of all of the tracks on The Beekeeper at the link below. they will only work - annoyingly - in the IE browser. http://music.barnesandnoble.com/search/product.asp?userid=UG0CfpfAkR&EAN=827969280027&ITM=2 peace&love, tanisha. ===== tanishataitt.ca Debut album Overflow available now. Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 08:56:22 -0800 (PST) From: Jennifer Mitts Subject: Re: Toast Robyn wrote: >>>>I visited Bude, Cornwall (one of the most beautiful places I've ever been -- way to go, Tori) about this time last year, and in the little main part of town, there's a children's dress-up store called Mr. Bojangles. Just thought I'd mention it as it's a funny little tie-in I wouldn't have known about had I not been there ...>>>> I really hate it when Tori makes allusions to people and places we're not familiar with and we, as a result, can't 'get' the song. See, 'Mr. Bojangles' would have totally thrown me off because I think of Bill Robinson. Why do that to us? We're trying to understand a song, and then she does that. Erghh. Other references that people get that may not be immediately apparent-- let's all share, k? Boy, we really got lucky with Robyn knowing about that store. Sheesh. - -Jen Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 13:58:23 -0500 (EST) From: Richard Handal Subject: Re: Toast Jen said: > Boy, we really got lucky with Robyn knowing about that store. Sheesh. We can't know if Tori hadn't just finished watching a Shirley Temple film with Tash in which Bill "Bojangles" Robinson had appeared. She might have made the reference because of both. Maybe she also had the U.S. restaurant chain in mind. I haven't heard the song in question so I don't know the context, but dollars to donuts whatever the use of Bojangles was in the song Toast itself is no reference to a store. I love knowing this kind of thing, though. Hilarious. I'll invent my own associations. Fantastic. There's a freedom involved in that. Don't feel betrayed, Jen! Seriously! Be seeing you, Richard Handal, H.G. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 14:56:11 -0500 (EST) From: Richard Handal Subject: Re: The Beekeeper - My faith restored. Nadyne asked: > What is your opinion on the live disc of "To Venus and Back", especially > after you have completed (I assume) the new book? The truth is that I haven't listened to it in a long time and only played it a few times, so I never formed an opinion. I guess this in itself expresses an opinion, huh? I've heard folks complain loudly about it before for sounding pieced together, too. This is one of my main areas of disagreement with Tori. She's willing to perform a concert, and although she expects her entire team to do the best they can, she's also realistic and knows that every concert can't be "the best," and she lets the chips fall where they may and moves on to the next one. But when it comes to something for the ages on a released recording, I'm opposed to her desire to "ant-fuck," as she likes to call it, the details to death at the expense of the cohesiveness of feel of the whole. The live Venus disc is the only time she's released an entire album of concert material, so it's the only time this has come up. Obviously, with the video release of the Concert for RAINN and the Sunny Florida DVD she had to bite the bullet and let a camera crew document a single concert, as the cost of having a crew film or videotape multiple shows and then pick songs to edit together wouldn't have made fiscal sense, so the decision to use a single concert was more or less out of her hands. And I know how she felt about why she wanted to combine the live Venus songs, and it's her right and I still trust her musical sensibilities better than anyone else's--although at this point those of the brilliant and wonderful Charlotte Martin have to qualify as a narrowly-behind second--but this is one area where Tori and I differ. I realize that she needed to fit the live Venus material onto a single CD and an entire concert from 1998 wouldn't have made it, so putting out a contiguous concert without editing any of it out was not possible, anyway. (In Piece By Piece we learn why, as we'd heard at the time, the expectation was for a three-CD set with two live CDs and one studio CD, but it didn't happen. If it had, a complete Plugged '98 concert *would* have fit.) I won't repeat the grand language she used when we discussed this privately at the end of the '98 tour, but her thought was that she wanted to choose live material that would be great; she had an eye toward how it would be heard by others *many* years from then, and *she* wanted to be proud of all of it many years hence, and she said she expected most of the tracks would be culled from the final three weeks of the tour. I'd attended nineteen of the last twenty concerts of the tour, a run in the beginning and some here and there through the middle, and I replied to her that I could well understand her thinking that, because the last three weeks had been AMAZING. (I don't believe it turned out as much that way as she'd expected, did it? Most of the track dates were determined by folks, but I'm not gonna look it up now for this conversation.) She's stubborn and has her own mind, and there was no reason for me to try to convince her to do otherwise at that point, and she clearly was choosing song titles first and then looking for "best versions" with no self-perceived mistakes she'd have to live down later, but I still say Knoxville was my favorite concert of the forty-one I attended on that tour. My next favorite was Blacksburg, and I think it's no coincidence that Neil was there. Apparently, it had been the last of four shows in a row he was attending. And Tori didn't know it, but a famous Native American author also was there with a group near the front that night in Blacksburg--which is not far from the old Amos family farm--so I have to wonder what energies may have been there because of all that, too. I rarely choose to listen to a single live track or tracks out of context; I want to go to the time and place of a concert and to be transported. When I listen to live recordings I almost always play an entire concert. I feel that's where the larger flow is, thus, the greater ride, and it's also where the highest levels of structure and emotion lie. The concerts are on a *bigger* canvas than the songs. I want to type in some brief comments and a few sentences from Piece By Piece and post them, but I'll do that another time. I have a chiropractor appointment now, and I want to show the book to her receptionist who, I learned on my most recent visit, was Tori's French teacher during all three years she attended in Eastern Junior High. Small world in these parts. Be seeing you, Richard Handal, H.G. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 15:57:10 EST From: ChaseTornadoes@aol.com Subject: Tour Well, is anyone else out there disappointed with the tour dates for the US solo portion? I know that there will be more US later on. I was annoyed that she's not coming to Pittsburgh or Cleveland, but going to the same cities that she ALWAYS goes to AND those cities will most likely get another show later on with the band, I can feel it! I guess I'll have to see her with that dumb ass band again, I'll never get to see her solo :( I'm totally not traveling, spent all my money on 24 Madonna shows last summer :( LOL jon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 16:03:37 EST From: ChaseTornadoes@aol.com Subject: helicopter on tour page On toriamos.com did anyone notice the helicopter in the background of the tour page that looks like it's heading str8 down for a crash? What's up with that? jon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 16:20:49 -0500 From: jeff albertson Subject: toriamos.com posts tour dates from www.toriamos.com: TORI'S Original Sinsuality TOUR Date City Venue 4/01/05 Clearwater, FL Ruth Eckard Hall 4/03/05 Orlando, FL Bobb Carr Theatre 4/04/05 Atlanta, GA Symphony Hall 4/06/05 Washington, DC Warner Theatre 4/08/05 New York, NY Hammerstein Ballroom 4/11/05 Philadelphia, PA Kimmel Center 4/12/05 Boston, MA Orpheum Theatre 4/14/05 Detroit, MI Detroit Opera house 4/15/05 Chicago, IL Auditorium Theatre 4/17/05 Dallas, TX Nokia Theatre 4/19/05 Denver, CO Paramount theatre 4/22/05 Seattle, WA Benaroya Hall 4/24/05 San Francisco, CA Davies Symphony Hall 4/25/05 Los Angeles, CA Royce Hall Auditorium ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 16:40:59 -0500 From: Ange816@aol.com Subject: Tour I saw that the tour dates and venues are listed, but does anyone know when the tickets are going on sale? I looked on ticketmaster to see if they had anything listed yet, and they had only the Denver show listed to go on sale on the 26th. I'm looking to go to the Florida shows so I have a feeling it should be pretty soon. Thanks, Ange ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 18:56:31 -0500 From: jeff albertson Subject: tori in denver on ticketmaster whoops! i thought i sent this out last night...i imagine that most folks may already know this since it's on the dent, etc. but just in case not... woj Tori Amos Paramount Theatre, Denver, CO Tue, Apr 19, 2005 08:00 PM Internet Onsale Info Onsale to General Public: Sat, 02/26/05 10:00 AM Price US $42.50 Ticket Limit There is a 8 ticket limit per household. Please adhere to published ticket limits. Orders exceeding the ticket limit may be cancelled without notice by Ticketmaster in its discretion. This includes duplicate orders having the same name, billing address or credit card. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 16:17:06 -0800 From: "Tony Fernandes" Subject: Re: The Beekeeper - My faith restored. Richard Handal wrote: "...and I want to show the book to her receptionist who, I learned on my most recent visit, was Tori's French teacher during all three years she attended in Eastern Junior High." Wow. That's way cool. Tony What's more likely? That an all-powerful mysterious god created the universe and then decided not to give any proof of his existence? Or, that he simply doesn't exist at all? And that we created him so that we wouldn't have to feel so small and alone. -Eleanor Arroway, Contact ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V10 #32 *************************************