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precious-things-digest      Friday, May 21 2004      Volume 09 : Number 061



                               Today's Subjects:
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  Re: scarlet's hidden treasures/WTSF            [e m <crysteleni@yahoo.com>]
  RS review                                      [e m <crysteleni@yahoo.com>]
  Re: scarlet's hidden treasures/WTSF       [Richard Handal <handal@min.net>]
  Re: scarlet's hidden treasures/WTSF  [Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@jun]
  Re: scarlet's hidden treasures/WTSF                [ChaseTornadoes@aol.com]
  Re: scarlet's hidden treasures/WTSF       [Richard Handal <handal@min.net>]
  WTSF                                                   [Lisa071573@aol.com]
  Re: WTSF                       [Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@juno.com>]
  Re: WTSF                               [David Mobley <dmobley@fastmail.fm>]
  Re: WTSF                   ["KARIN A. FISCHER" <fischera@u.washington.edu>]

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Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 14:21:04 -0700 (PDT)
From: e m <crysteleni@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: scarlet's hidden treasures/WTSF

apollo's frock-  the first thing i noticed immediately
was how much the song sounded a lot more like older
tori songs, like pele, the piano was reminiscent of a
improved intro to a song on the DDI tour.
the interpretation, i took it as another song about
eric.  i thought that he thrived on her fruits of love
and talent.  but your interpretation made me think a
bit more. while the metaphors make sense, i am not
sure if this would have been the original meaning of
the song though, because there is a recording of her
playing it in a sound check in 1996.  if caton had
crossed her way back then, then why would she continue
to record and tour with him for many years after?

seaside - i loved it from the first note when i heard
the live version online.  i loved the improved intro
she performed in maine.  it was magical.  and the song
itself is so melodic and the song spirit has a feel of
another era.


bug a martini- fascinating soundscape for tori.  i
don't think she has done anything else quite like it. 
its very Swanky!


ruby - just so beautiful, but some of the melody has a
ounce of lionel ritchie's , "hello" & it drove me
crazy trying to figure that out!!!


the thing i love SOOO much about the treasures is that
they vary so much in their soundscape.  it is a lot
more diverse in its 6 songs that SW is in its 18.


that mountain was excluded makes me wonder what other
scarlet's hidden treasures are still burried.

the DVD is fabulous!!!  i am excited that we have
finally an almost full DVD of a true tori concert.  a
few songs omitted :(  that bugs me A LOT!  but we get
the full audio to  PTM & snipettes of sweet sangria &
wednesday which we heard every night anyway, but they
were still part of that night's "fairtale".  and
nothing of viriginia.

that the songs were censored at all is confuddling.
why on earth would this happen!?!?!  record label? 
didn't tori leave Atlantic so she could have more
control on her art???

there is an online petition and a place to give
feedback on SONY.  i did both, but i am not holding my
breath for any action.  but i had to say my peace.

as much as i loved to get a peak at Tash, I admired
Tori for keeping Tash so secret & safe from us wacko
fans and the media for so long, so I wonder what
changed her mind....

i loved the behinds the scenes footage & interviews.

the picture and sound are amazing


so while there are small issues, i think we can all
agree that its thriling to have this account of such a
glorious tour in our tori collections :)


- -ellen

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Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 20:30:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: e m <crysteleni@yahoo.com>
Subject: RS review

short review of WTSF in RS

http://www.rollingstone.com/reviews/dvd?id=6054038&pageid=rs.ReviewsDVDArchive&pageregion=mainRegion

Tori Amos: Welcome to Sunny Florida 
 
   
Tori Amos    
   
 
   
2004    Musical  
Rated NR    
   
   
3 stars

This first-ever Tori Amos concert DVD belies its
buoyant title. It was shot beautifully by Amos video
director Loren Haynes last September, and the camera
rarely wavers from the tangerine-tressed temptress,
save for a few minutes in a prayer circle that
includes her toddler Natasha and quick takes with her
genial bassist and drummer. As goddesslike as Amos may
be, at two hours this one is for her acolytes only.  
   
BARBARA O'DAIR
(Posted May 18, 2004)

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Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 12:03:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: Richard Handal <handal@min.net>
Subject: Re: scarlet's hidden treasures/WTSF

Ellen said:

> the interpretation, i took it as another song about eric.  i thought
> that he thrived on her fruits of love and talent.  but your
> interpretation made me think a bit more. while the metaphors make sense, 
> i am not sure if this would have been the original meaning of the song
> though, because there is a recording of her playing it in a sound check
> in 1996.  if caton had crossed her way back then, then why would she
> continue to record and tour with him for many years after?

I feel strongly that although it may be interesting to consider the
possible real events and people that inspired Tori to write certain songs,
ultimately, all of that can turn into an obstacle for the listener to get
past to be able to see more universal themes in the music and/or allow
one's own personal history to resonate with the song in question. So sure,
speculate what inspired the music, but I think it's important to keep that
in perspective. If the "meaning" of a song is concretized in this manner
in the mind of a listener, I feel strongly that this is sure death for the
song.

If Tori's purpose was to speak of real events in a detailed manner she
could write memos. When she wrote Take to the Sky and mentioned personal
details of her life, sure, she felt the need to express those things, but
it's done in a way that anyone paying attention to the song who feels
trapped and longs for something better can find themself in it. To me,
this is where much of the value of the songs reside.

> as much as i loved to get a peak at Tash, I admired Tori for keeping
> Tash so secret & safe from us wacko fans and the media for so long, so I
> wonder what changed her mind....

I imagine Tash has grown a lot since then and looks different enough that
showing how she appeared back then puts her at much less risk than would
showing her much more recently, or would hearing her speak. (I haven't
watched the concert yet just the interviews, but I expect Tash is not
heard speaking anywhere on the DVD.)

Be seeing you,

Richard Handal, H.G.

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Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 12:11:59 -0400
From: Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@juno.com>
Subject: Re: scarlet's hidden treasures/WTSF

>(I haven't watched the concert yet just the interviews, but I expect
Tash is not heard speaking anywhere on the DVD.)<
        actually, you can just barely hear her when she first goes to
Tori and they start walking towards the side of the stage. or rather, at
least, *I* can only just barely hear her. I can't understand what she
said, but for a second, you can hear her voice.

Sincerely, Cyndi S. Crawford
"I know we're dying / and there's no sign of a parachute / we scream in
cathedrals / why can't it be beautiful / why does there gotta be a
sacrifice?" -- Tori Amos

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Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 13:04:02 EDT
From: ChaseTornadoes@aol.com
Subject: Re: scarlet's hidden treasures/WTSF

In a message dated 5/20/04 12:05:29 PM, handal@min.net writes:


> I imagine Tash has grown a lot since then and looks different enough that
> showing how she appeared back then puts her at much less risk than would
> showing her much more recently, or would hearing her speak. (I haven't
> watched the concert yet just the interviews, but I expect Tash is not
> heard speaking anywhere on the DVD.)
> 
I think you can hear her!   At the beginning when she's walking with Tori and 
she mentions that this is the last concert to her.   It's not like major 
dialougue, but her voice is there.   Why would it matter if her voice is heard ot 
not?   I

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Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 13:13:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: Richard Handal <handal@min.net>
Subject: Re: scarlet's hidden treasures/WTSF

Jon said:

> Why would it matter if her voice is heard or not?

If she wasn't identifiable by sight and someone wished to do her harm,
which is the security concern, if the evil-doer were able to elicit a few
words from Tash she could be recognized by her voice. As it is it's been
said that she has an English accent, so that alone could be a big clue to
identify her from someone else's child around the same age.

Tori gets threats. My guess is that she gets more than an average
celebrity as she deals with controversial, emotional, and religious
issues. There are many sick people in the world.

Be seeing you,

Richard Handal, H.G.

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Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 14:14:21 EDT
From: Lisa071573@aol.com
Subject: WTSF

Alex - 
that's a very interesting take on Apollo's Frock... I was always under the 
impression that the falling out with Caton was over money, but I think that may 
also be just rumor.

I was curious about the censoring of ProWidow on the dvd - does anyone know 
for sure if this was Sony's decision or Tori's? I find it hard to believe it 
would be Tori's decision, but it's a possibility... 
Lisa

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Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 14:31:18 -0400
From: Cyndi S Crawford <cyndi.crawford@juno.com>
Subject: Re: WTSF

        now, what *I* wanna know is if Caton and Tori even HAD a falling
out, or if it was amicable on both sides..

Sincerely, Cyndi S. Crawford
"I know we're dying / and there's no sign of a parachute / we scream in
cathedrals / why can't it be beautiful / why does there gotta be a
sacrifice?" -- Tori Amos

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Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 14:34:14 -0400
From: David Mobley <dmobley@fastmail.fm>
Subject: Re: WTSF

Considering Matt (I think, it could have been a roadie) yells "holy
shit!" during the credits...  whoever did it wasn't too concerned with
taking it out of everywhere..

I think it's funny, and probably entirely a record label decision.

Thursday, May 20, 2004, 2:14:21 PM, you wrote:
Lac> I was curious about the censoring of ProWidow on the dvd - does anyone know
Lac> for sure if this was Sony's decision or Tori's? I find it hard to believe it
Lac> would be Tori's decision, but it's a possibility... 

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Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 12:15:54 -0700 (PDT)
From: "KARIN A. FISCHER" <fischera@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: WTSF

On Thu, 20 May 2004 Lisa071573@aol.com wrote:

> I was curious about the censoring of ProWidow on the dvd - does anyone know 
> for sure if this was Sony's decision or Tori's? I find it hard to believe it 
> would be Tori's decision, but it's a possibility... 
> Lisa
> 
Someone posted an email response they got from Loren Hayes about this matter on atforumz.com:

"All those decisions were made by Toris management and label. DVDs are rated like films and they wanted to not to limit their audience ( I guess) those were not creative decisions made by me. I actually thought they would ask me to take out more than they did. So, I was pleased. I hope you like the film.

I hope I answered your questions and appreciate the work I do with Tori.

All the best,

Loren Haynes"

I think it's funny that they took "starfucker" out of the performance of ProWidow, but in the interview with Tori on the DVD she says that same line from the song (and it is clearer than when she sings it :) 
~~Alex

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