From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V9 #58 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Thursday, May 13 2004 Volume 09 : Number 058 Today's Subjects: ----------------- toriamos.com [fingerpuppets ] Re: toriamos.com [Nadyne Mielke ] Re: toriamos.com [Richard Handal ] Re: toriamos.com [e m ] from here to Birmingham ["Pete Lambert" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 14:57:37 -0400 From: fingerpuppets Subject: toriamos.com i assume most everyone knows by now that the new website for "welcome to sunny florida" is linked to toriamos.com now. i have to say i'm kind of disappointed by it. aside from my usual complaints about accessibility (i use a text-ony browser at least half of the time and the new site is pretty useless in both links and lynx), i don't really think it looks that nice. despite the "exploding" photographs on the left side of the page! ;) the design, colors, etc. are just significantly less professional than the previous site. there's not a whole lot there either. it's basically just a new shell around the couple tidbits of information about the dvd, the fanscape mailing list (joy!), and links to the old scarlet's walk site, the ubiquitous store and, most intriguingly, the "everything tori" site. the last one, of course, holds the most promise. i wonder, though, if it will just turn into another boondoogle like previous attempts at webbery on tori's behalf. i guess the one thing i'd most like to see most is the consolidation of tori's fragmented web presence. there are separate sites for each of the three recent projects, a store, and god knows what else. i realize that some of that is probably due to the label-change, but still! it's still her fricking site -- why can't everything be in one place? and why can't her site be more than just a promotional tool for the current project? i know picking on toriamos.com is like beating a dead horse, but it's frustrating to see something to ramshackle when tori's fans have such a strong internet element to their community. ah well. anyone else have any opinions about this stuff? woj ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 12:07:09 -0700 From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: toriamos.com At 11:57 AM 5/12/2004, fingerpuppets wrote: >ah well. anyone else have any opinions about this stuff? The site sucks. It's never going to stop sucking, because the site is handled exclusively by the record label. If Tori wants a real web presence, she's going to have to bring it in-house. All of the really good artist websites (that I've seen, anyway) are maintained by the artist themselves. PR never knows how to do a website properly. They view it as nothing more than a web-enabled brochure. /nm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 15:44:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Handal Subject: Re: toriamos.com woj complained: > [ . . . ] why can't her site be more than just a promotional tool for > the current project? Hey--they're in the middle of a long streak of sucking! Why would they risk ruining that? When people began coming up to her before shows in the afternoon in 1992 and told her about the RDT mailing list she says she asked Arthur to get her more involved with this internet thing. In July 1996 on The Site, MSNBC's long-defunct internet program, she said that soon there would be 16-year-olds sending out their own radio programs online and people would be listening to them in their cars. In a twisted way she's been a visionary about this place, even though she was long in coming to use it herself. The distance between theory and execution remains large. This seems the way for her in things other than those pertaining directly to "the music itself" which are under her personal control. I'd best go now or I'll be in major rant mode. Be seeing you, Richard Handal, H.G. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 12:59:51 -0700 (PDT) From: e m Subject: Re: toriamos.com Question: Doesn't tori have "the bridge" who are responsible for such things as the promotion of albums & websites? To me it seems ever since this announcement was made, her promotional side to her career has been more disorganized than ever, and the websites are just one manifistation of that. just my two drachmas. - -ellen - --- Nadyne Mielke wrote: > > At 11:57 AM 5/12/2004, fingerpuppets wrote: > > >ah well. anyone else have any opinions about this > stuff? > > The site sucks. It's never going to stop sucking, > because the site is > handled exclusively by the record label. If Tori > wants a real web > presence, she's going to have to bring it in-house. > All of the really good > artist websites (that I've seen, anyway) are > maintained by the artist > themselves. PR never knows how to do a website > properly. They view it as > nothing more than a web-enabled brochure. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 21:13:48 +0100 From: "Pete Lambert" Subject: from here to Birmingham So... is anyone else going to be going to the UK previews of Sunny? Spacifically the Birmingham one? To be honest, sitting watching a concert in a cinema seems kind of odd, but i think i'll give it a go. Anyone want to share my popcorn at the Birmingham show?? Pete xxxx ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V9 #58 ************************************