From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V9 #13 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Friday, January 23 2004 Volume 09 : Number 013 Today's Subjects: ----------------- John Barlow Quote [Brian K Tanaka ] tori's tour-mates never being female [JNe9027355@aol.com] Re: tori's tour-mates never being female [Nadyne Mielke ] Re: tori's tour-mates never being female ["Becka" ] Re: tori's tour-mates never being female [Richard Handal ] Re: tori's tour-mates never being female [e m ] the pool [fingerpuppets ] Re: the pool [ChaseTornadoes@aol.com] Re: the pool [MaynardsSpiral@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 00:03:53 -0800 From: Brian K Tanaka Subject: John Barlow Quote I thought of Tori immediately when I read the following passage from John Barlow's blog: "Among the beliefs that he and I shared was a conviction that making public the intimately personal is a revolutionary act in an atomized society where many feel compelled to play so close to the chest that they can't read their own cards. Being emotionally naked before strangers extends to them a permission for self-revelation they badly need if they are to loosen the shackles of their own quiet desperations. It is a blow against the pursuit of loneliness." I think you can guess why I thought of Tori. The passage is actually from a series of posts about Spaulding Gray, who, as many of you know, has been missing for many days and is presumed to have committed suicide. "Is Spalding Gray Finally Swimming to Cambodia?" http://barlow.typepad.com/barlowfriendz/2004/01/is_spalding_gra.html "Coda" http://barlow.typepad.com/barlowfriendz/2004/01/coda.html "Hecklers at a Funeral" http://barlow.typepad.com/barlowfriendz/2004/01/hecklers_at_a_f.html - -- - - Brian Tanaka - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 04:54:33 EST From: JNe9027355@aol.com Subject: tori's tour-mates never being female awhile ago @forumz had a thread about this, tori never bringing in female tour-mates due to lame reaosns like 'i want the masculine energy' when most know that any person is capable of having gender energy. anyways, what i find odd is that tori apparently has many female friends, despite never having female tour mates. why would she not want other women on tour if she gets along so well with them, and honors them so much. if she feels more competitive with them when she's doing her job, i am not convinced by that as women are competitive regardless. for me, i have no female friends, as i don't get along with women socially, but if i were to do some entertainment show, i'd have no problem bringing in one of any gender to tour with me. i wouldn't be socializing with them so much as i would just be doing the show with them. "Let the world know what you think, before the world lets you know what to think." Care About What You Consume? Know This Before You Buy Anything Credible Answers for a Cruelty-Free World ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 09:27:34 -0800 From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: tori's tour-mates never being female At 01:54 AM 1/22/2004, JNe9027355@aol.com wrote: >awhile ago @forumz had a thread about this, tori never bringing in female >tour-mates due to lame reaosns like 'i want the masculine energy' when >most know >that any person is capable of having gender energy. I don't see why you see that as a 'lame reason'. She seems to have a soft spot for guys with guitars, and I (for one) appreciate that her openers have tended to be in a different vein than her own. Personally, I'd find it a bit boring to have someone like (for example) Charlotte Martin opening for her. >anyways, what i find odd >is that tori apparently has many female friends, despite never having female >tour mates. why would she not want other women on tour if she gets along >so well >with them, and honors them so much. if she feels more competitive with them >when she's doing her job, i am not convinced by that as women are competitive >regardless. Tori's shows are about energy. She chooses (inasmuch as she gets to have say on the matter, since her label has input as well) someone who works with the energy of her shows. She seems to think that guy-with-guitar fits her energy. Maybe sometime in the future she'll have a chick-with-guitar, or a small band, or something else, for her opener. >for me, i have no female friends, as i don't get along with women socially, >but if i were to do some entertainment show, i'd have no problem bringing in >one of any gender to tour with me. i wouldn't be socializing with them so >much >as i would just be doing the show with them. I don't see what relevance this would have. If I were a performer, I might choose other opening acts too. But Tori chooses who she chooses. Some of her openers have been better than others. I liked Howie Day and Willy Porter, I could've lived without ... bugger, now I can't even remember the name of the guy who opened on the 1998 club tour, David something-or-other? /nm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 10:33:58 -0800 From: Brian K Tanaka Subject: Re: tori's tour-mates never being female On Thu, Jan 22, 2004 at 09:27:34AM -0800, Nadyne Mielke boldly wrote: .. > Porter, I could've lived without ... bugger, now I can't even remember the > name of the guy who opened on the 1998 club tour, David something-or-other? Lee Roth. Yes... the infamous Tori Amos & David Lee Roth tour. Quite strange. - -bt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 10:42:31 -0800 From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: tori's tour-mates never being female At 10:33 AM 1/22/2004, Brian K Tanaka wrote: >On Thu, Jan 22, 2004 at 09:27:34AM -0800, Nadyne Mielke boldly wrote: >... > > Porter, I could've lived without ... bugger, now I can't even remember the > > name of the guy who opened on the 1998 club tour, David something-or-other? >Lee Roth. >Yes... the infamous Tori Amos & David Lee Roth tour. Quite strange. Oh, god, how could I forget? *duh* He still had the scary hair that I remembered so well from early MTV. At that first club tour show in Miami, he sang 'I Ain't Got Nobody' and the whole club erupted into a huge sing-along with him. Later on, during Tori's set, he came out and played piano while Tori sang 'Winter'. Oh, it was magical. /nm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 13:51:24 -0500 From: fingerpuppets Subject: Re: tori's tour-mates never being female one time at band camp, Brian K Tanaka (btanaka@well.com) said: >Yes... the infamous Tori Amos & David Lee Roth tour. Quite strange. ..featuring their hit duet "californflake girls"! +w ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 14:00:29 -0500 From: "Becka" Subject: Re: tori's tour-mates never being female David Poe http://www.davidpoe.com/ >>the name of the guy who opened on the 1998 club tour, David something-or-other? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 14:22:48 -0500 From: fingerpuppets Subject: Re: tori's tour-mates never being female one time at band camp, JNe9027355@aol.com (JNe9027355@aol.com) said: >awhile ago @forumz had a thread about this, tori never bringing in >female tour-mates due to lame reaosns like 'i want the masculine >energy' when most know that any person is capable of having gender >energy. i don't really think that's a lame reason either -- even if it is kinda fuzzy. your dismissal of her explanation may be true but i don't think that implies tori is bound by that logic to harness any masculine energy in women for her opening acts. i get the feeling that's not something which is very high on her priority list. while she is a woman who fights against patriarchy, that doesn't mean she's fighting for the matriarchy. so, i guess it could follow that she wouldn't not go out of her way to promote other women in music in that way. doesn't mean she's competing with them though. probably more importantly, though, picking her tours' opening acts doesn't seem to be a high priority either. she may okay the choices made by the label -- which are made as much for contrast as they are for promoting lesser known acts to a potential audience -- but i don't think she wants to play an active role in making those choices. this reminds me of stuff sarah mclachlan has said about women opening for women. when she brought the idea up, her label and concert promoters all thought she was insane. yet, she did something about it and eventually got paula cole to open for her in 1995. while it proved sucessful, it only happened because of sarah's force of will. once it did happen, then the gates were thrown open for lilith fair (in which, it bears noting, tori was not interested in participating for reasons consistent with her opening act masculine energy thing) and for other all-women bills...but they still aren't all that common. i suppose the fact that they are known to viable means that tori could make it happen if she wanted it to but, again, it doesn't seem like it's important to her. so, the labels just do their thing which, from sarah's experience, is matching up men with women. woj ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 14:59:44 -0500 (EST) From: Richard Handal Subject: Re: tori's tour-mates never being female woj sagely expressed: > probably more importantly, though, picking her tours' opening acts > doesn't seem to be a high priority either. she may okay the choices > made by the label -- which are made as much for contrast as they are > for promoting lesser known acts to a potential audience -- but i don't > think she wants to play an active role in making those choices. This seems close to the mark of what happens, yes. On a related note, Tori delegates more than anyone I ever knew or knew of. It's possible at some point that she might have heard someone and suggested they open for her, but as a rule, I feel certain she's presented with a name or names and is asked simply to okay them. A friend of mine called Tori's management before the Scarlet tour to see if she could be the opening act, and the immediate question was: "Are you famous? Can you sell tickets? We're looking for someone to help sell tickets." Argue with the logic or sensibilities involved with that if you like, but that's what someone in Tori's management said was a priority. Be seeing you, Richard Handal, H.G. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 12:15:16 -0800 (PST) From: e m Subject: Re: tori's tour-mates never being female i think another reason tori didn't do the lilith thing is maybe she wanted to be known for the music she made, and not get labeled, or perpetuate a label of "chic rock". which is not necessarily the same as a woman who makes music... babble. as for why she doesn't have women open, i dunno. when was the last time any of us were headlining a major tour the size of tori's to know what really goes into putting it together. i don't know the protocol, but i would guess that the label has a number or artists they are trying to promote, and tori gets to pick from that. knowing tori, i would guess that she would pick firstly, on whether or not she liked their stuff, and secondly on how it vibed with the tori she was doing. we all know that was a consideration to her and both alanis when touring together--they felt their fans could mesh, and the same with ben & tori this last tour, many similar statements were made. whether or not tori rules out female performers for the gender is something that is possible, yet i truly doubt. i am sure for her its about the music first. but this is all just a guess... - -ellen - --- fingerpuppets wrote: > once it did happen, then the gates were thrown open > for lilith fair (in > which, it bears noting, tori was not interested in > participating for > reasons consistent with her opening act masculine > energy thing) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 15:57:27 -0500 From: fingerpuppets Subject: the pool anyone want to organize a pool for when toriamos.com will be updated next? i'll take december 2004. +w ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 17:32:01 EST From: ChaseTornadoes@aol.com Subject: Re: the pool Sounds like a fun idea to me. I'm gonna pick mid summerish, so July 2004. They may decide to put out that DVD of the last show or somthing. Speaking of which has anyone heard any news on that? Jon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 18:00:27 EST From: MaynardsSpiral@aol.com Subject: Re: the pool alright, im in...ill take October 2004. feels about right to me. lol. ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V9 #13 ************************************