From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V9 #9 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Saturday, January 17 2004 Volume 09 : Number 009 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: precious-things-digest V9 #8 [JNe9027355@aol.com] Re: precious-things-digest V9 #8 [JNe9027355@aol.com] Re: precious-things-digest V9 #8 [JNe9027355@aol.com] Re: 1,000 Oceans Is A Really Good Song [Shaman ] Re: precious-things-digest V9 #8 [JNe9027355@aol.com] Re: precious-things-digest V9 #8 [JNe9027355@aol.com] Tori vids ~ [=?iso-8859-1?q?Tessa?= ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 02:07:18 EST From: JNe9027355@aol.com Subject: Re: precious-things-digest V9 #8 In a message dated 1/15/2004 10:29:24 PM Pacific Standard Time, owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org writes: Subject: Re: 1000 oceans is a really good song so what is silbury hill and playing at trains all about? i think the lyrics are fantastic -easy to understand and to imagine. "Let the world know what you think, before the world lets you know what to think." Care About What You Consume? Know This Before You Buy Anything Credible Answers for a Cruelty-Free World ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 02:13:09 EST From: JNe9027355@aol.com Subject: Re: precious-things-digest V9 #8 In a message dated 1/15/2004 10:29:24 PM Pacific Standard Time, owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org writes: >i have a sort of love/hate (well, more like/dislike) relationship with >"1,000 oceans". it's not a very musically ambitious song and as her >musical skill is the core reason why i am a tori fan, that and similar >songs ("jackie's strength" for instance) don't really do all that much >for me. on the other hand, i don't skip either song while listening to >the albums they're on and, once they start, i find myself enjoying them >on their own terms -- the strength of their emotion thats exactly what i dig about it, is that its not ambitious or overly riveting or confusingly metaphorical. it's just a good, hearty, musically lush song. the one part i dislike is the words can be excessivley slurred, which can be hard to sing along to, but that's common with every tori song. not big enough to deter away listening. anyways, tori's voice is riveting in this one because it actually sounds like she's crying throughout the entire song, start to finish. i think a big part of the song's appeal would be ruined if all the words were pronounced properly rather than slurred about. "Let the world know what you think, before the world lets you know what to think." Care About What You Consume? Know This Before You Buy Anything Credible Answers for a Cruelty-Free World ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 02:14:31 EST From: JNe9027355@aol.com Subject: Re: precious-things-digest V9 #8 In a message dated 1/15/2004 10:29:24 PM Pacific Standard Time, owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org writes: >Having said that, one wouldn't want an entire meal of 1000 Oceans; it's >more a simple angel food cake than an dish of curried chickpeas. I think >there's a place to have each, and to some extent you seem to agree as you >said you don't skip Oceans and Jackie. Personally, if Tori played piano >exercises I'd be entirely fascinated to listen, but to me the pot of gold >is where the emotional content lies and, over the long haul, I'd easier do >without some of the musical ambition than I would the bullseye emotion. this is exactly how i feel about it, especially on the 'whole meal' business. "Let the world know what you think, before the world lets you know what to think." Care About What You Consume? Know This Before You Buy Anything Credible Answers for a Cruelty-Free World ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 23:33:07 -0800 From: Shaman Subject: Re: 1,000 Oceans Is A Really Good Song On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 14:06:44 -0500 (EST), you wrote: >To: precious-things@smoe.org (Precious Things) >Subject: Re: 1,000 Oceans Is A Really Good Song >From: Richard Handal >Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 14:06:44 -0500 (EST) > > >woj spoke: > >> i have a sort of love/hate (well, more like/dislike) relationship with >> "1,000 oceans". it's not a very musically ambitious song and as her >> musical skill is the core reason why i am a tori fan, that and similar >> songs ("jackie's strength" for instance) don't really do all that much >> for me. > >woj, I don't think I crave as much as you do the aspects of her >songwriting you're calling "musically ambitious"--certainly not for its >own sake. I adore 1000 Oceans because the emotion is piercingly direct. I >think there's a lot to be said for a work in which an artist has peeled >back the trappings of their medium to starkly reveal that degree of core >feeling. I think with a work such as 1000 Oceans the music's simplicity is >entirely appropriate. With Precious Things, the complexity and roiling >imbalance of the music act in support of feelings being dealt with in the >lyric. The emotion of 1000 Oceans speaks of a loss that's dark, somber, >and held deep inside one's self. Had the music been more florid it would >have been an encumbrance to its open, soaring expression of release and >ultimate emancipation. I find its clarity of emotional expression to be >startling. I've only had a few years of music theory but I suspect that it's more than most Tori Amos fans. I suspect that the vast majority don't bother analyzing her music emperically. You might have a higher percentage on the mailing lists but I still suspect you are in the majority. >Having said that, one wouldn't want an entire meal of 1000 Oceans It's not that it's not an enjoyable song. (Love them thar double negatives) It's just one I'd seek out to listen to myself. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 02:43:57 EST From: JNe9027355@aol.com Subject: Re: precious-things-digest V9 #8 In a message dated 1/15/2004 10:29:24 PM Pacific Standard Time, owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org writes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jay_Sebring why did so many people live at this house? he bought when still courting tate, and then tate still had a residency there, and then "Frykowski and Folger temporarily moved to 10050 Cielo Drive in Beverly Hills. They were housesitting for director Roman Polanski and actress Sharon Tate while the pair were in Europe. Early on August 9, 1969, the couple (along with Sharon Tate, Jay Sebring and Steven Parent) were murdered by followers of Charles Manson. " and i read that the murderers were trying to find doris day's son, who was a music producer. was he supposed to be living there too? that's a lot of fucking people to be housesitting/living there for no reason. "Let the world know what you think, before the world lets you know what to think." Care About What You Consume? Know This Before You Buy Anything Credible Answers for a Cruelty-Free World ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 02:52:03 EST From: JNe9027355@aol.com Subject: Re: precious-things-digest V9 #8 In a message dated 1/15/2004 10:29:24 PM Pacific Standard Time, owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org writes: >And, for you tech heads and gear people, while this site confirms the >door/Trent connection, it's also an excellent article on Nothing Studios in >New Orleans... > >http://www.musicgearreview.com/features/trent-reznor.htm also http://www.mansonmythos.com/scgi-bin/ikonboard/topic.cgi?forum=6&topic=38 "Let the world know what you think, before the world lets you know what to think." Care About What You Consume? Know This Before You Buy Anything Credible Answers for a Cruelty-Free World ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 11:11:56 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Tessa?= Subject: Tori vids ~ Someone was asking where they could see the 1,000 Oceans video. Easy peasy - And I can do you 25 better! Pretty much complete, save for the alternate version of CFG, Glory of the 80's and The Big Picture. Extras too! I love it. I go several times a week to watch a vid or three. I hope the link works for everyone. Enjoy Toodles ~ Tessa http://uk.search.launch.yahoo.com/bin/search/launch_videos_ukie/?p=tori%20amos&s=vn&nice=tori%20amos *** ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V9 #9 ***********************************