From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V9 #8 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Friday, January 16 2004 Volume 09 : Number 008 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: 1000 oceans is a really good song [ToriVolta@aol.com] Re: 1000 oceans is a really good song [Cyndi S Crawford ] Re: 1,000 Oceans Is A Really Good Song [Richard Handal ] Tori on tv. [MaynardsSpiral@aol.com] RE: Tate House ["Johnny Endicott" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 21:46:30 EST From: ToriVolta@aol.com Subject: Re: 1000 oceans is a really good song So, how did Tori come up with 1,000 Oceans? I'd love to know. Peace Out, Amanda ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 04:53:36 GMT From: Cyndi S Crawford Subject: Re: 1000 oceans is a really good song I'll quote her. "Some months ago, as I was working on my new double album in Bude in Cornwall, I had a really important dream. A voice appeared in my head. I call her my dark angel. She was a soulsister, who sang in my head. She was humming a melody to me. It was about half past five or six o'clock in the morning. I got out of bed and went over to the studio. In the country, the people there leave everything unlocked. So the studio was open. I went in and recorded the melody. From this melody the song A Thousand Oceans developed. I worked very long on it until it was finished. Sometimes it takes an incredible amount of time for me to understand a song I have recorded. Because I am so much in it and I can't distance myself from it. Sometimes I don't really understand my songs until I go on tour and live with them. They are like girls for me that keep me accompanied. But sometimes I only understand my songs through the reactions of other people. This was the case with A Thousand Oceans. Mark had just lost his father. The two were very close, because Mark was an only-son. Before the death of my father-in-law they talked on the phone everyday. His father fooled us into believing he was getting better. He had cancer and one day he was just dead. It was a shock for Mark, because he had really believed it got better. They had already made plans for his father to come to visit us in the USA. He had never been there. After the old man had died my relationship with Mark got very difficult. He was inconsolable. You can't do much for somebody who has lost the most important person in his life. I often held him in my arms and took long walks with him. I was just there for him a lot. But I never really got through to him. I still have my mother and my father so I didn't have the experience. I only reached him with A Thousand Oceans. After Mark heard the song, he always came to me, sat down next to the piano and said: 'Please, play that song again.' And I played it to him. Through that we got in contact once again. I took him back from that other galaxy he was in a million miles away from me. So that dream was very special to me. It renewed the connection between Mark and me." Sincerely, Cyndi S. Crawford "I know we're dying / and there's no sign of a parachute / we scream in cathedrals / why can't it be beautiful / why does there gotta be a sacrifice?" -- Tori Amos ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 23:58:50 EST From: JNe9027355@aol.com Subject: Re: 1,000 Oceans Is A Really Good Song In a message dated 1/14/2004 9:34:47 AM Pacific Standard Time, ToriVolta writes: >1,000 Oceans is a gorgeous song; absolutely everything that JNe9027355 said >about it and more. The thing is, that song never got my juices flowing. There >are too many Tori songs that do that for me to list, yet 1,000 Oceans is not >one of them. For example Space Dog, and Playboy Mommy get me up and dancing >and singing. When those songs are on I can conquer the world and everything >bad is suddenly made right. You know? its not a 'juices flowing' song tho -it's a sad one. im surprised playboy gets u up singing and shit--THAT song is sad as hell too. "Let the world know what you think, before the world lets you know what to think." Care About What You Consume? Know This Before You Buy Anything Credible Answers for a Cruelty-Free World ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 03:11:49 EST From: ToriVolta@aol.com Subject: Playboy Mommy JNe9027355 Said about Playboy Mommy: >>its not a 'juices flowing' song tho -it's a sad one. im surprised playboy gets u up singing and >>shit--THAT song is sad as hell too. Ok. First of all, I didn't mean orgasmic when I said "juices flowing." I meant it in the sense of empowerment-getting up and singing and dancing. Your surprised that Tori's song touches me so much that it moves me to sing along with her? Hmmm. I do not cry to most of her songs ... unless I'm in a sad or reflective mood. Her songs can be sad, yet they inspire me to get past the sadness and onto victory. Peace Out, Amanda ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 04:09:25 EST From: JNe9027355@aol.com Subject: Re: precious-things-digest V9 #7 In a message dated 1/14/2004 10:21:42 PM Pacific Standard Time, owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org writes: Subject: Re: 1000 oceans is a really good song >the first time i ever heard this song, was during the music video...and oh >did i bawl. where can i see the music video? "Let the world know what you think, before the world lets you know what to think." Care About What You Consume? Know This Before You Buy Anything Credible Answers for a Cruelty-Free World ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 09:15:19 EST From: JNe9027355@aol.com Subject: Re: precious-things-digest V8 #294 In a message dated 12/28/2003 10:22:38 PM Pacific Standard Time, owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org writes: "Have Your Self A Merry Little Chri - Ma where's the S? "Let the world know what you think, before the world lets you know what to think." Care About What You Consume? Know This Before You Buy Anything Credible Answers for a Cruelty-Free World ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 10:16:23 -0500 From: fingerpuppets Subject: Re: 1,000 Oceans Is A Really Good Song i have a sort of love/hate (well, more like/dislike) relationship with "1,000 oceans". it's not a very musically ambitious song and as her musical skill is the core reason why i am a tori fan, that and similar songs ("jackie's strength" for instance) don't really do all that much for me. on the other hand, i don't skip either song while listening to the albums they're on and, once they start, i find myself enjoying them on their own terms -- the strength of their emotion. i feel similarly about KaTe bush's "reaching out", actually. woj ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 14:06:44 -0500 (EST) From: Richard Handal Subject: Re: 1,000 Oceans Is A Really Good Song woj spoke: > i have a sort of love/hate (well, more like/dislike) relationship with > "1,000 oceans". it's not a very musically ambitious song and as her > musical skill is the core reason why i am a tori fan, that and similar > songs ("jackie's strength" for instance) don't really do all that much > for me. woj, I don't think I crave as much as you do the aspects of her songwriting you're calling "musically ambitious"--certainly not for its own sake. I adore 1000 Oceans because the emotion is piercingly direct. I think there's a lot to be said for a work in which an artist has peeled back the trappings of their medium to starkly reveal that degree of core feeling. I think with a work such as 1000 Oceans the music's simplicity is entirely appropriate. With Precious Things, the complexity and roiling imbalance of the music act in support of feelings being dealt with in the lyric. The emotion of 1000 Oceans speaks of a loss that's dark, somber, and held deep inside one's self. Had the music been more florid it would have been an encumbrance to its open, soaring expression of release and ultimate emancipation. I find its clarity of emotional expression to be startling. Having said that, one wouldn't want an entire meal of 1000 Oceans; it's more a simple angel food cake than an dish of curried chickpeas. I think there's a place to have each, and to some extent you seem to agree as you said you don't skip Oceans and Jackie. Personally, if Tori played piano exercises I'd be entirely fascinated to listen, but to me the pot of gold is where the emotional content lies and, over the long haul, I'd easier do without some of the musical ambition than I would the bullseye emotion. And to briefly respond to Topher's lengthy post of 20 August 2002 in which he asked me if I was "ready to find beauty and emotion in Tori grunting in a megaphone and banging on a can," I note that the live Raspberry Swirl in 1998 featured Matt Chamberlain banging on a 50-gallon oil drum, and I did indeed experience joy from the performances of it that I saw; I would typically be smiling from ear to ear. Before the 2001 tour I was strongly opposed to her bringing the Rhodes out with her because I never much liked the sound of the things as I'd always heard them, but she had the insides of her Rhodes majorly redone and I thought it sounded unique and wonderful. So, I don't think it pays to presume and predict how one would respond to something until presented with it. I've learned this is often true--especially when dealing with the redhead. Be seeing you, Richard Handal, H.G. The sum of human wisdom is not contained in any one language, and no single language is capable of expressing all forms and degrees of human comprehension. --Ezra Pound, poet (1885-1972) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 15:17:16 EST From: MaynardsSpiral@aol.com Subject: Tori on tv. it was so cool, out of nowhere my brotehr was going through the channels and he came upon Scarlet Sessions! this is cool and unexpected, glad i came home from work when i did. i havent seen this yet! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 22:34:23 +0000 From: "Johnny Endicott" Subject: RE: Tate House Hi Erin + Everyone, Here's a couple of links which are fun and/or creepy: http://www.hollywoodusa.co.uk/FamousHouses/mansonhouse.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jay_Sebring http://www.ezresult.com/article/Sharon_Tate http://www.musicolympus.com/toriamos/biography.htm http://www.vh1.com/artists/az/amos_tori/bio.jhtml And, for you tech heads and gear people, while this site confirms the door/Trent connection, it's also an excellent article on Nothing Studios in New Orleans... http://www.musicgearreview.com/features/trent-reznor.htm Thanks to Google. Johnny >From: "erinita@excite.com" >Reply-To: erinita@excite.com >To: precious-things@smoe.org >Subject: Tate House >Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 09:22:24 -0500 (EST) > > > I actually read that Trent has the door to the house and the house has >since been demolished. Anyone hear about that, too? Regards,Erin ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V9 #8 ***********************************