From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V8 #289 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Saturday, December 20 2003 Volume 08 : Number 289 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: precious-things-digest V8 #288 [dustin melton ] mail & guardian interview [fingerpuppets ] Re: precious-things-digest V8 #288 ["Lisa Zwick" ] Re: precious-things-digest V8 #288 [Richard Handal ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 02:16:21 -0500 From: dustin melton Subject: Re: precious-things-digest V8 #288 here's another pic of tori eating the banana. it is definitely her, it was from some magazine, i think it was a european magazine. http://home.carolina.rr.com/fireforpele/banana01.jpg enjoy :) dustin "Once you get to know Sad, she's got some sweet little dresses, you know?" Tori Amos > Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 04:11:08 EST > From: JNe9027355@aol.com > Subject: Re: precious-things-digest V8 #287 > > In a message dated 12/17/2003 10:29:08 PM Pacific Standard Time, > owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org writes: > > Why did you send that to PT, AJ? You don't believe it's Tori, do you? > > It seems to me it's Michelle Branch at an inopportune moment on a bad > hair > day, but I'm not certain. > uh, michelle branch does not have those facial features, skin tone, or > espcially nose...so that's tori. > i sent it because i randomly found it and thought WHY NOT. > > "Let the world know what you think, before the world lets you know > what to > think." > Care About What You Consume? Know This Before You Buy Anything > Credible Answers for a Cruelty-Free World > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 06:59:33 -0500 (EST) > From: Richard Handal > Subject: Re: peculiar pic > > Hello: > > Two people have written me saying the peculiar photo really is of > Tori. If > so, it's the worst photo of her I've ever seen, and I've seen plenty. > It's > far, far worse than any of the few that Dor took that Tori doesn't > like. > Whoever scanned it for that website did a terrible job, too, although I > suspect it was tiny. I'd be most curious to know where the heck it was > published. > > Perhaps, being the internet, no one was bothered to save information > concerning its provenance when they scanned it and sent it out into the > world. I hope that isn't the case. If I knew where it was from I'd > find an > original and have a look, for whatever that would possibly be worth. > > And if an award were ever given for eating a banana in the least > salacious > manner possible, the person in that photo would deserve to win it. > > Thanks, > > Richard Handal, H.G. > > ". . . when you have excluded the impossible, whatever > remains, however improbable, must be the truth." > - --Sherlock Holmes in The Adventure of the Beryl Coronet > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:49:10 -0500 (EST) > From: Richard Handal > Subject: Re: precious-things-digest V8 #287 > > AJ said: > >> i sent it because i randomly found it and thought WHY NOT. > > Fair enough. I've seen photos of Cate Blanchett that looked more like > Tori > than does that photo. It seemed unlikely that someone who's actually > interested in her as you are, AJ, would think it was her. To me, it's a > bizarre photo, going well past peculiar. > > Be seeing you, > > Richard Handal, H.G. > > ------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 02:09:41 EST From: JNe9027355@aol.com Subject: Re: precious-things-digest V8 #288 In a message dated 12/18/2003 10:31:24 PM Pacific Standard Time, owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org writes: >Fair enough. I've seen photos of Cate Blanchett that looked more like Tori >than does that photo. It seemed unlikely that someone who's actually >interested in her as you are, AJ, would think it was her. To me, it's a >bizarre photo, going well past peculiar. look at the nature of the site! it's an entertainment zone. why are you investing so much thought into this anyway? it's obviously her -that doesn't look like anyone else, and there are droves of tori photos of her doing quirky shit. that one was peculiar because the site itself is. "Let the world know what you think, before the world lets you know what to think." Care About What You Consume? Know This Before You Buy Anything Credible Answers for a Cruelty-Free World ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 06:55:26 -0800 (PST) From: e m Subject: tori pic issue hate to add more to the discussion, but... i had seen that photo before somewhere in toriland... and i had no doubt at all in seeing it that it was tori at first sight...but an picture from early on in the LE era, clearly. anyhow, let me take time to say happy holidays to all toriphiles everywhere!! and all the best in 2004! - -ellen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 09:58:21 -0500 From: fingerpuppets Subject: mail & guardian interview Talking to Tori Amos can talk about her love of Led Zeppelin being a result of her eastern Cherokee genes and, before you know it, you're discussing land rights. Soulful folk diva Tori Amos talks to Will Hodgkinson "My grandfather would sing to me when I was a baby, and he was part eastern Cherokee," says singer-songwriter Tori Amos, explaining why the music of the North American plains Indians has been such a formative influence on her life. "His grandmother was a Cherokee who escaped the Trail of Tears and ran off into the Smoky Mountains in 1839. So she would tell these stories about the life of her people to my grandfather, who in turn would sing them to me. That experience certainly shaped the way I am today." Americans can say these things in all seriousness and get away with it. Amos can claim a cultural heritage by being one-16th Cherokee Indian, but if I whipped out a fiddle in homage to the fact that my own grandfather was a roving Gypsy before his gammy leg forced him into a life in front of the telly, it would quite rightly be snatched from me and smashed over my head. Yet Amos can talk about her love of Led Zeppelin being a result of her eastern Cherokee genes and, before you know it, you're discussing land rights. "I was exposed to severe church music a little later," continues Amos, whose father is a Methodist minister in Washington DC. "Charles Wesley had an ability to write some wonderful hymns based on old English sea shanties, but the way these songs were delivered . . . it was very rigid and you couldn't find any soulfulness in there. But if I got lucky I would go to the black church down the street, and that was swinging." Perhaps these diverse influences help explain why Amos's own music falls into such a unique place. She claims to have started playing the piano at the age of two-and-a-half, and by five she was studying at a conservatory, getting trained for a career as a classical pianist that she was never to fulfil. Instead, she became a singer-pianist, played around with a variety of images, suffered inevitable comparisons with Kate Bush and relocated to Cornwall in western England with her sound-engineer husband. Now she has released Tales of a Librarian, a greatest-hits album that, with typical eccentricity, has been compiled in accordance with the rules of the Dewey decimal system. "I'd rather tell you about an affair I had than let you know about the records that are on my turntable," Amos announces, countering my request to have a look through her favourites. "It's a very personal thing and I like to keep it close to my chest. But I'll tell you about a few of the things that have passed my way over the years." Amos produces a handful of CDs that she is willing to talk about, including Fleetwood Mac's Rumours, Rickie Lee Jones' self-titled first album and Joni Mitchell's 1968 album Song to a Seagull. Rumours is chosen because it has good production values; Jones because her sultry, bar-room style of storytelling suggests that she has lived a certain life, and Mitchell because she is the one singer-songwriter whose skill surpasses that of all others. "She works with complicated melodies, and her storylines have such a poetic language," says Amos. "Dylan's melodies are really very simple, but hers are intricate. I'm a musician first, not a words person, and am drawn to people who manoeuvre a musical language in a way that I find unusual. There are plenty of people whose attitude I like, who I think have something to say, but few who are building a sonic architecture that hasn't been built before." Mitchell sang about the record industry's Starmaker Machine, something that Amos knows intimately. Before the release of her own first album, 1991's Little Earthquakes, she was told that it would be impossible to market a female singer who plays the piano. The plan was to take all the piano parts off the record and replace them with guitar. "They wanted to create this fictional character of a girl with a guitar, and it almost got to the point where I was quite willing to burn the tapes of the album. After all, I could record it all again, but I couldn't go round to every house in America and say, `This isn't how it should be. Can I play it for you again?"' Then there's Zeppelin. It sounds like musical repression was par for the course in Amos's childhood home: her mother would wait until her father had gone to church before she got out the Frank Sinatra records, and her brother had to sneak LPs by the Doors in and out of the house as if they were illicit substances. "Bands like Led Zeppelin did create a revolution, and they were a terrible threat to my father's kind of church, which denies sexuality," she says. "Young women were feeling things with Led Zeppelin, and I remember moving my body in a way I hadn't moved it before. Robert Plant's sensuality was something I was trying to discover, even though I was eight at the time." Living in Cornwall means taking inspiration from the books and records she picks up on tour, and keeping the rest of the record industry at arm's length while she and her husband make music in their studio. "There's no artistic paranoia down there," she says of her reason to live such an isolated existence. "Sometimes, when I'm in London or New York, I see composers chasing after the next new thing and they can forget their own discipline. And believe me, there is no worse place to be than backstage at the Grammys. When you meet a writer of beautiful love songs who quite obviously hates women, that's when your dreams really get shattered." -- GUARDIAN NEWSPAPERS LIMITED 2003 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 10:53:38 -0500 From: "Lisa Zwick" Subject: Re: precious-things-digest V8 #288 She looks like she's choking on it...how do you choke on a banana? - -Lisa - ----- Original Message ----- From: "dustin melton" To: Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 2:16 AM Subject: Re: precious-things-digest V8 #288 > > here's another pic of tori eating the banana. it is definitely her, it > was from some magazine, i think it was a european magazine. > > http://home.carolina.rr.com/fireforpele/banana01.jpg > > enjoy :) > > dustin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 15:39:56 -0500 From: "MARIA AGUIRRE" Subject: Re: precious-things-digest V8 #288 On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 01:20:04 -0500 (EST) Richard wrote: > It seemed unlikely that someone >who's actually >interested in her as you are, AJ, would think it was her. >To me, it's a >bizarre photo, going well past peculiar. Um, I disagree. I think that Tori as well, and as you know, I've seen her live many times and seen hundreds of pictures of her. I had seen that picture before, I don't recall where. I'm about 99% sure its her circa that UTP era though... my 2 cents. ~~Maria ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 16:34:29 -0800 From: Brian K Tanaka Subject: stickers and an ornament I finally got around to making the "Thank you, Tori" bumpersticker. While I was at it, I made a "Roadside Cafe" sticker and a porcelain Tori holiday ornamment. http://ewfstuff.mine.nu/ Proceeds to RAINN etc etc... - -- - - Brian Tanaka - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 20:06:54 -0500 (EST) From: Richard Handal Subject: Re: precious-things-digest V8 #288 Dustin posted: > here's another pic of tori eating the banana. That makes it certain, then. Much thanks to you, Dustin. Nearly ten years ago I was visiting a friend when she showed me a whole series of photos which she and her husband had come across online--around ten of them--of someone's naked body with Tori's head stuck on, and she asked me if I could tell which, if any of them, were actually Tori. At least one of them was so ridiculous that I couldn't help from laughing out loud. I was shocked at my friend, a huge fan who'd met Tori multiple times, could have believed any of the photos in question were not doctored. Her husband was certain some of the photos were really Tori, too. (This was scary to me, as he's a journalist.) Of course, at the time I had an evening job which required me to use Photoshop, so perhaps I possessed an eye that was more attuned to such things than were those of my friend's or her husband's. Several times since then I've seen photos online that seemed as if they might be Tori--they genuinely looked a lot like her--but they were someone else; as I mentioned before, Cate Blanchett was the person who at least one of those photos turned out to be. This first banana photo was something I'd seen purported to be Tori before, and to me, it's such a strange angle and she's got so much of her face covered that it looked far less like Tori than some of these other photos that *weren't* Tori. To me, here's a photo that looks not to have anything in it that was convincing me it was Tori and it's on a celebrity eating website labeled as *being* Tori, and even with the label telling me it was her I wasn't buying it. Those Blanchett images had been on other websites labeled as being Tori and they weren't. Do I believe everything that I see online is what the label says it is? No, I do not. It didn't look like Tori and I said so. AJ, if you don't want to spark a discussion about something then I suggest you not post about it. Dustin solved this mystery with the other photo of what *clearly* is Tori with the banana and dressed the same as in the first photo, so I am indebted to him for providing the information to clear this up. It's not anything important in the scheme of things, but I like to get to the bottom of questions that arise and not believe things by the simple virtue of their labels. People here have posted things many times which I knew were inaccurate and I did not post to correct them, because the things were not important and I knew the facts, and don't see myself as a policeman protecting "the truth" or something. However, I also have no intention of trusting "facts" as they bubble up randomly from the murky depths of the internet with zero context or provenance. It's my nature to question, and not to blindly accept. And I dare say, were that photo presented to folks with no label, the percentage of people convinced it looked like Tori would be greatly reduced. Be seeing you, Richard Handal, H.G. ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V8 #289 *************************************