From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V8 #205 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Thursday, September 4 2003 Volume 08 : Number 205 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Get Taped Live With TORI In West Palm Beach! [Brian K Tanaka ] Re: Amanda's Defense about Tori Naked [Torium@aol.com] Re: nude Tori [Torium@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 21:14:11 -0700 From: Brian K Tanaka Subject: Re: Get Taped Live With TORI In West Palm Beach! > >Nooooooooooooooooooo!!!< > oh but Brian, think of it this way--everybody will get to > experience the last day of the tour and react emotionally like the True, and believe me I'll be overjoyed to have a professional video of the show for years to come, but the truth is the show that *would* have happened will not happen now; the future has be irrevocably altered by the change in intimacy. Don't misunderstand me: it will be a wonderful show, of that I have no doubt, but still... > audience did! and I really doubt that the setlist would be tinkered with, > I really do. :P I respectfully doubt your doubt. ;-) > >OK. Must stay calm... NO! Must wail and gnash teeth!< > er, can't you calmly gnash your teeth and wail? :-\ Hrm... Let me try it... Hey! That's not too bad! I hope whoever sits next to me on the flight tonight doesn't mind all this calm gnashing of teeth and sedate wailing. - -- - - Brian Tanaka - - LiveLists: http://livelists.dyndns.org - - Thunder Wishes, Fire Thought: http://www.well.com/~btanaka/tori "think of me as a librarian from a different dimension" -- Tori Amos ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 10:40:10 +0200 From: "Conny Tear in your hand" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?B?VG9yaZJzIGluc2lnaHRzIFt0b3VyZGlhcnkgQXVndXN0IDEz dGggLSBU?= =?iso-8859-1?B?b3JvbnRvLCBDYW5hZGFd?= ...Tori pulls up a chair, pen and paper in hand and starts to jot down her thoughts and ideas. She tells me that the thread running through each song tonight is a story of two women, representing two land masses, that are at odds with each other. Though they may be on opposite sides of an argument, these two women have a deep, long-standing friendship and have been through difficult times together. Here are some of Toris insights... Little Earthquakes...What you believe in. Bells for Her...Abusive power taking from the land. Cooling...Fire thought shed be water instead...shifting changing. Amber Waves...America. Cornflake Girl...Raisin girl is a friend...crossing the border. I Cant See New York...No lines are drawn, no lands are owned. Take to They Sky...Again, fire wanting to be water. Carbon...What were all made of. Running to Stand Still...sanity is taken. Damage...just says it all. Siren...Fires new friend. Widow...Again, abusive power. Precious Things...thought forms imprinted, written on the body. Bliss...Take it with your terracide. Tombigbee...ghosts of the land rising up. Tear in Your Hand...water, the smallest element within us. Hey Jupiter...a love story that took place many years ago between Jupiter and Earth...now separated for a while. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "You can only be you but a lot of times it's not enough for people." - Tori Amos ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 08:37:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Handal Subject: Re: Get Taped Live With TORI In West Palm Beach! Brian said: > This just isn't right. I'm all for having one of the shows filmed, but > not the LAST SHOW. It's wrong! Am I the only one who thinks that the > last show of TEN MONTH TOUR should be a special event for Tori and the > people that go to the shows, not a filmed appearance? Your frustration is understandable, Brian. The last time the event you suggest came to pass was at the end of the DDI Tour in Boulder. This was an era when a handful of us at most had attended dozens of concerts during the tour, but in addition to us, people who had attended perhaps three to eight concerts in their respective areas of the U.S. also flew out for these final two concerts of the tour which were held on consecutive days. I am in no way exaggerating when I admit that to this day, the 90-some minute final DDI concert remains the most emotionally intense event of my life. It will be easy for those who weren't there to consider this to be an extreme reaction--possibly one of a troubled person--but the impact of the Boulder experience in 1996 has reached legendary status among many Toriphiles, including some who were not there. I know folks have spoken to friends and others to try to convey how impactful was this concert experience, and when *I* speak of it I make certain to tell people that along with us concertgoers, Tori herself was so moved emotionally that I was impressed she had been able to perform an entire, albeit slightly short, concert that night. I have two things to which I can point as evidence of Tori's emotions: one of them is the audience recording which was sold as a pressed silver bootleg 2-CD set, and the other is a link on the Dent's EWF Photo Album which shows her emerging to hang out with people behind the venue: . I think it's clear from those photos (and I know there are others somewhere on there) that hers is the face of someone who had just gone through an emotional wringer. Brian, I know we've spoken some about this concert and how it served as a culminating event of the DDI Tour. I can understand your having a desire for as many of the positive circumstances of that night to be present at the final concert of this tour. Taking into account whatever deeply personal and difficult things Tori had been experiencing on the DDI Tour and tossing that stuff out of the equation (as I think it's clear she's now in a far stronger place emotionally than she was back then), is it possible that to have one concert be so strongly the focus both on and of as few as a couple score people who had attended more than several concerts on this tour might be asking Tori to deal with more than is reasonable? The last two concerts of the '98 tour were filmed. I know some people who had come in from great distances were quite upset that it was not what they had experienced in Boulder. They thought Tori had owed it to them to make the final show some sort of special concert experience, as she would have known some had come for that final '98 concert in East Lansing with expectations of its being more than "just" another concert. Some were genuinely angry with her for having shared the focus of that concert with film cameras as well as with them. Indeed, the last of the non-filmed concerts in '98 contained some unusual songs and a sense of edginess those two final filmed concerts lacked, as the Phoenix concert in '01 was a far more intense and expressive experience than were the two concerts the next day in San Diego which ended the U.S. leg of that tour. I don't want to speak for anyone but myself, but I propose that maybe Tori doesn't see herself in a position of feeling she must make the final concert of a long tour a financial boon for stockholders in shares of Kleenex. Maybe one reason she has chosen to film the final concert of this tour is to lessen the emotional impact of it to a more manageable level, both for her and everyone else. At the same time, perhaps sharing some of the energy of the folks who've attended many of these concerts with those who are not going to be there is another reason for having chosen to film this final concert of the tour. > Am I insane to fear that this will have a negative impact on the setlist > and maybe the performance as well? I'd expect a somewhat safer concert than some of her most *outre*, yes. As to what might constitute to you to be a more "negative" setlist is something only you can know, Brian. :-) > OK. Must stay calm... NO! Must wail and gnash teeth! No! Calm! No! > Wail! No! Calm! No! Gnash! A reasonable strategy, I have to think. Calm down as possible. :-) I trust you will report back to us on the concert, Brian. Enjoy. It'll be wonderful if you let it. Be seeing you, Richard Handal, H.G. Expecting the world to treat you fairly because you are a good person is a little like expecting the bull not to attack you because you're a vegetarian. --Dennis Wholey ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 11:44:08 EDT From: Dracovixen@aol.com Subject: Re: nude Tori I agree with Jennifer. I am an artist who pays people like Jennifer to model for me. I find the human body to be a wondrous, beautiful piece of art that is in its own right a temple - even if most of us don't care for that temple very well, which is a shame. I love all body types - short petite ones like Tori; round voluptuous ones like Queen Latifah; tall, slender ones like myself; Amazonian ones like the Gladiator women; and everyone else inbetween (and the men, too...young or old, fat or skinny). I think it's really sad how our society places so much stigma on the human body - if you don't look a certain way, we don't want you to show any skin - if you do show any skin even if "you have the body for it", you're a slut. I'm not directing this at you Amanda (or anyone else), because I saw your apology and explanation. It just got me thinking, and I felt like saying something. I would not disrespect Tori for posing nude. I have no doubt she would do it artfully - and even if she didn't, there have been plenty of models for playboy who claim it to be a liberating experience. Who are we to judge? Sitting at a piano in the woods naked sounds like something she would do. It would be part of her all natural, return to the earth, and get close to the piano thing. Besides, she likes to give a little shock value to shake things up here and there. As an artist, it grieves me to see people (in general, not really here) so uptight about the human body. The curve of a line, the roundness of a body part, the strength of a muscle, the shape of a bone - I find all of it to be quite amazing. These bodies are our temples. We should treat them as such - both our own bodies, and that of others'. There, that's my 2 cents. :) Black Dove ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 13:11:10 -0700 From: "Ryan" Subject: Re: nude Tori Well said. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 8:44 AM Subject: Re: nude Tori > > Who are we to judge? > > There, that's my 2 cents. :) > Black Dove ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 21:07:12 EDT From: Torium@aol.com Subject: Re: Amanda's Defense about Tori Naked Actually, Tori has posed topless for several photos for the Boys For Pele artwork. (The suckling pig being considered the second.) The photos are tastefully done and shot from a distance - Tori is playing the piano topless in the woods - but there is nudity nonetheless! These were published in the "orange boys for pele promo book." dink :)~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 21:08:34 EDT From: Torium@aol.com Subject: Re: nude Tori Oh crap, I'm redundant. dink :)~ ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V8 #205 *************************************