From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V8 #114 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Wednesday, May 7 2003 Volume 08 : Number 114 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: seaside on scarlet's web [Richard Handal ] PNC, NJ tickets [leif ] Re: seaside on scarlet's web [Nadyne Mielke ] Re: seaside on scarlet's web [KNHoppe@aol.com] Re: seaside on scarlet's web ["RasinGirrl" ] Re: seaside on scarlet's web ["Mark Harbott" ] Re: seaside on scarlet's web [KNHoppe@aol.com] Re: seaside on scarlet's web [Cyndi S Crawford ] Re: seaside on scarlet's web [Cyndi S Crawford ] Re: seaside on scarlet's web [noam tchotchke ] Re: seaside on scarlet's web [Nadyne Mielke ] Re: seaside on scarlet's web [Nadyne Mielke ] tori in cleveland - august 16 [noam tchotchke ] Re: seaside on scarlet's web [Richard Handal ] Apple's new music store [diana ] Re: Apple's new music store [Nadyne Mielke ] Re: seaside on scarlet's web ["cdrv" ] Re: seaside on scarlet's web ["cdrv" ] ScarletsWalk.co.uk - new ad-free forum for the Tori Amos online community! ["Matthew Winkworth" ] Re[2]: seaside on scarlet's web [David Mobley ] tori at meadowbrook - on-sale may 12th [noam tchotchke ] Re: precious-things-digest V8 #91 [JNe9027355@aol.com] mp3 of "Live To Tell" ["Armani Boy" ] Re: Re[2]: seaside on scarlet's web ["cdrv" ] Re: seaside on scarlet's web ["cdrv" ] Re: moronmoronmoron - new ad-free forum for the Tori Amos online community! [Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: seaside on scarlet's web Daniel in Argentina felt my pain and posted: > Perhaps SEASIDE may show up in WWW.HEREINMYHEAD.COM as "Tombigbee" > did... Oh, I'll get it somehow. It's just stupid that I can't get it from the website because I dare use a modern operating system--let alone that I can't access anything else on Scarlet's Web. I've seen it on other people's computers like twice since it went up. At this point I feel I must add, "Don't cry for me Argentina." :-) Thanks, Daniel, Richard Handal, H.G. Heard melodies are sweet, but those unheard Are sweeter. --John Keats, poet (1795-1821) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 23:57:43 -0400 From: leif Subject: PNC, NJ tickets I have an extra pair of PNC, NJ tickets: Orchestra Section 104, Row W, Seats 39 and 41. If anyone interested, please email me: lil_leif@att.net I am selling them for face value. thanks, leif ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 22:29:52 -0700 From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: seaside on scarlet's web On Monday, May 5, 2003, at 20:05 US/Pacific, Richard Handal wrote: > woj let us know: > >> Use your Scarlet's Walk CD to access a previously unreleased track by >> Tori Amos. > Oh, I'd love to, but my operating system is not one of the anointed > ones. > I'm a second class citizen in the eyes of Epic Records. I'm unworthy; > less > than an equal to others. > Not that I'm BITTER. Heh. Join the club. I find it amusing that they have limited the available listening base so much. It's a nice way to encourage everyone to download MP3s. :) That said, I'd love to see Tori and Epic offer these bee-sides up on Apple's new music store. I'd happily pay a buck per song to download them. /nm {Mac girl} ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 02:11:26 EDT From: KNHoppe@aol.com Subject: Re: seaside on scarlet's web And, of course... it is now up at http://hereinmyhead.com/sounds Gotta love Audrey... :D - --Noelle http://datura.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 09:53:13 -0400 From: "RasinGirrl" Subject: Re: seaside on scarlet's web While I am very thankful for Audrey getting it up on her site for everyone to listen to, because not everyone can, am I the only one who perhaps is "spoiled" and would have preferred Tombigbee and Seaside to have been an actual b-side on an actual cd? I miss those days. - - Danielle - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 2:11 AM Subject: Re: seaside on scarlet's web > > And, of course... it is now up at http://hereinmyhead.com/sounds > > Gotta love Audrey... :D > > --Noelle > http://datura.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 09:00:30 -0500 From: "Mark Harbott" Subject: Re: seaside on scarlet's web Well, I haven't heard it on the web, but I did hear her play it live in San Antonio........absolutely beautiful...I don't know how it didn't make it to the album. She played it during her solo Roadside Cafe. Mark - ----- > Anyone has heard it ? > What does it sound like ? > Later :) > Daniel > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "noam tchotchke" > To: ; "fiercest clams" ; > ; > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 10:48 PM > Subject: seaside on scarlet's web > > > > > > from toriamos.com: > > > > Monday 5 May > > > > Unreleased Track: Seaside > > > > Use your Scarlet's Walk CD to access a previously unreleased track by > > Tori Amos. The track, "Seaside" lives in the Cape Cod area of the > > Scarlet's Walk Map. Click here http://www.toriamos.com/scarletsweb/ > > > to get ConnecteD! > > > > woj ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 10:18:03 EDT From: KNHoppe@aol.com Subject: Re: seaside on scarlet's web In a message dated 5/6/03 7:00:43 AM, blue_mermaid658@hotmail.com writes: << While I am very thankful for Audrey getting it up on her site for everyone to listen to, because not everyone can, am I the only one who perhaps is "spoiled" and would have preferred Tombigbee and Seaside to have been an actual b-side on an actual cd? I miss those days. - - Danielle >> I definitely don't think you're the only one. I love new Tori singles. She's the only artist that I currently collect singles from, and I am rarely dissappointed by them! I miss not having new ones (with the exception of the UK ASF single)... new songs (quality, too!), new artwork... yum. I hope that these bees get released some way or another onto CD... here's for wishful thinking. - --Noelle http://datura.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 10:27:53 -0400 From: Cyndi S Crawford Subject: Re: seaside on scarlet's web >That said, I'd love to see Tori and Epic offer these bee-sides up on Apple's new music store. I'd happily pay a buck per song to download them.< Ya know, I heard about that on AIM news.. and I immediately thought of Tori's music.. if she did that, that would freaking ROCK. oh yes. Sincerely, Cyndi S. Crawford http://www.icenine.org/cyndi/ -- http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/368/ciara_blaze.html -- http://learntothink0.tripod.com/learntothinkagain/ -- http://www.geocities.com/keyyooo/clique.html "I know we're dying / and there's no sign of a parachute / we scream in cathedrals / why can't it be beautiful / why does there gotta be a sacrifice?" -- Tori Amos ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 10:25:29 -0400 From: Cyndi S Crawford Subject: Re: seaside on scarlet's web >And, of course... it is now up at http://hereinmyhead.com/sounds Gotta love Audrey... :D< oh, yes! we all love Audrey (at least.. I know *I* do. :) ), so let's give her a round of applause for being so kewl as to use up some of her bandwidth to supply us with Tori's bee-sides! *applause* :D Sincerely, Cyndi S. Crawford http://www.icenine.org/cyndi/ -- http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/368/ciara_blaze.html -- http://learntothink0.tripod.com/learntothinkagain/ -- http://www.geocities.com/keyyooo/clique.html "I know we're dying / and there's no sign of a parachute / we scream in cathedrals / why can't it be beautiful / why does there gotta be a sacrifice?" -- Tori Amos ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 10:30:23 -0400 From: noam tchotchke Subject: Re: seaside on scarlet's web those of you having troubles getting the ConnecteD crapware to work may be interested in knowing that the stream address for seaside is rtsp://real.sony.global.speedera.net/real.sony.global/qt/ToriAmos/ToriAmos_01_full_100.mov if you fire up your quicktime player (i'm using version 5), select File | Open URL... and enter that address, you should be able to listen to the stream. note, that's the 100kbps stream, so dialup users might want to try one of these instead: rtsp://real.sony.global.speedera.net/real.sony.global/qt/ToriAmos/ToriAmos_01_full_56.mov rtsp://real.sony.global.speedera.net/real.sony.global/qt/ToriAmos/ToriAmos_01_full_28.mov actually, to make this simplest, click this link to listen to the stream: http://www.smoe.org/woj/seaside.mov i'm still working on figuring out how to make a downloadable file from the stream without having to resort to capturing and recoding the file. woj ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 09:49:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: seaside on scarlet's web RasinGirrl wrote: > While I am very thankful for Audrey getting it up on her site for > everyone to listen to, because not everyone can, am I the only one > who perhaps is "spoiled" and would have preferred Tombigbee and > Seaside to have been an actual b-side on an actual cd? I miss those > days. No, you're definitely not the only one. I'm still holding out hope that Sony will pull their head out of their arse and release a commercial single somewhere in the world with these songs. /nm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 10:17:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: seaside on scarlet's web Cyndi S Crawford wrote: > >That said, I'd love to see Tori and Epic offer these bee-sides up on > Apple's new music store. I'd happily pay a buck per song to download > them.< > Ya know, I heard about that on AIM news.. and I immediately > thought of Tori's music.. if she did that, that would freaking ROCK. > oh yes. Tori is currently represented on Apple's new music store. (For those of y'all who aren't aware of it yet, you can learn more about it at Apple's website . Note that it is currently only available to Mac users, but should be open to Windows users by the end of the year. It's also only available in the US; I have no idea what the plans are to open it to anyone outside the country. :/ ) If I recall correctly (and I can't check right now, since I'm at work and my Mac is at home), all of Tori's albums except BfP are available there. Also, the US 'Raspberry Swirl'/'Cruel' single is there, as is the US 'Talula' single. My favourite part of the store, besides its ease of use, is the exclusive tracks that are available there. Counting Crows, for example, have four tracks there that are (in theory, anyway) unavailable from any other source. This strikes me as an excellent mechanism for Tori to release 'Seaside', 'Tombigbee', and the other SW bee-sides (if there isn't another commercial single release, that is). Oh well. We'll see what happens. I do hope that this idea takes off. It might replace the essentially-dead singles market in the US. It will be interesting to watch. /nm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 14:05:47 -0400 From: noam tchotchke Subject: tori in cleveland - august 16 Tori Amos Ben Folds _________________________________________________________________ Tower City Amphitheater Cleveland, OH August 16, 2003 - 7:30PM Eastern _________________________________________________________________ Doors open 6:30PM _________________________________________________________________ Coming soon Standing Room : $ 19.50 Reserved : $ 42.50 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 15:37:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Handal Subject: Re: seaside on scarlet's web woj helpfully allowed: > those of you having troubles getting the ConnecteD crapware to work may > be interested in knowing that the stream address for seaside is . . . Okay, wait. So, it's *only* available streamed? Tombigbee was like that, wasn't it? Can anyone see a point to that? Would it kill them to make a swell MP3 or something people could simply download to their hard drives and burn to CD? I'm remembering in '98 when Merman was only available officially using this Liquid Player software or whatever it was called, and then only as a premium for having pre-purchased choirgirl. They gave you a card with a code on it and then you could download it. It wasn't until the middle of '99 that it was available on CD on that "No Boundaries" charity compilation--from Epic, BTW. I remember mouthing the lyrics along with her in the summer of '98 during one of the first times she performed it, and thinking it must be meaningful to her to see that people are entirely familiar with a song that hadn't even come out on CD. I felt "in the loop" to have heard Merman at all then but was still anxious for better quality. It occurs to me that if the record companies gave people vouchers for rebates on quality stereos that maybe people would hear that it really *does* make a difference to have a source that's better than the quality of an MP3 and then they might decide it's better to buy than to download. Overwhelmingly, when I see the stereos in the houses of people I visit over the past few years almost everyone seems to have these bookshelf systems and that's it--with rare exception. I read a technical interview with Bob Ludwig in which he talked about mastering recordings transferred from analog at more than twice the sample rate of CDs--96 kHz versus 44.1 kHz--and how as a result the music sounds better when it's later reduced to 44.1, and then I think of all the people who typically listen to a 128 kbps MP3 *anyway* and how much Bob's wastin' his time for those people. I know people for whom "even" CD quality isn't to their liking, and that these days, when it's possible to buy stereos that folks in the seventies would have drooled over and at prices to match, the norm seems to be hearing music at less than one eleventh the sample rate that's on CDs. [1411 / 128 = 11.0234375] We won't even get into the sound of typical computer speakers and other quality issues. I haven't gotten Seaside yet, but it seems the quality I'm going to end up with relative to CDs is going to be well below even a typical MP3. Why? Why does Epic want me to have this experience of Seaside? How are their interests served? Maybe in their grand plan they *will* release these b-sides later on CD, and by having only streamed versions available until then it will serve as encouragement to us to buy them. Oh, never mind. I have too much work to do to beat my head against the wall over this. Be seeing you, Richard Handal, H.G. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 13:20:32 -0700 (PDT) From: diana Subject: Apple's new music store Aren't these just mp3's though? wouldn't it be better to get the actual cd? WHY DON'T THEY RELEASE THE B-SIDES???? just curious,diana Nadyne Mielke wrote: Tori is currently represented on Apple's new music store. (For those of y'all who aren't aware of it yet, you can learn more about it at Apple's website . Note that it is currently only available to Mac users, but should be open to Windows users by the end of the year. It's also only available in the US; I have no idea what the plans are to open it to anyone outside the country. :/ ) The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 14:02:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: Apple's new music store diana wrote: > Aren't these just mp3's though? Apple's new music store doesn't sell MP3s. They use a different format called AAC. AAC is another compression algorithm. But the major difference here is that AAC allows Apple to (attempt to) control what is done with a file. Unlike MP3s, these files can't be (easily) traded freely. I'm sure that Apple couldn't convince the music industry to sell MP3s on the new Apple music store. > wouldn't it be better to get the actual cd? IMHO, yes. At this time, I still buy the actual CD. I like having the flexibility that a CD gives me. However, I've noticed that I tend to use CDs for archival purposes. I rarely listen to my CDs anymore. Instead, I prefer to hook my iPod to my stereo and listen to it. Even though I can hear the difference between an MP3 and the actual CD, the convenience factor of the iPod wins. (Which is why my next project is to buy a firewire hard drive, convert all of my CDs to Shorten (a lossless music compression algorithm), and use my old Windows laptop as a stereo component so I can listen to the songs via SHNAmp.) > WHY DON'T THEY RELEASE THE B-SIDES???? In the US, single sales only account for a very small portion of the overall music market. Even though it's very cheap to press a CD, why bother when they're not going to sell? /nm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 18:25:59 -0300 From: "cdrv" Subject: Re: seaside on scarlet's web I LOVEEEEEEEEEEE AUDREY! KUDOS TO HER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! =) She is an invaluable source of Tori Material !!!!!!!!!!!!!! =) (Standing Ovation) Later :) Daniel - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cyndi S Crawford" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 11:25 AM Subject: Re: seaside on scarlet's web > >And, of course... it is now up at http://hereinmyhead.com/sounds Gotta > love Audrey... :D< > oh, yes! we all love Audrey (at least.. I know *I* do. :) ), so > let's give her a round of applause for being so kewl as to use up some of > her bandwidth to supply us with Tori's bee-sides! *applause* :D ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 18:28:50 -0300 From: "cdrv" Subject: Re: seaside on scarlet's web I agree an MP3 Would be great. I mean it's what they people demand. :) Later :) Daniel P/S: the mp3 on hereinmyhead.com is 256 kpbs, greatttttttttttt :) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 23:38:18 +0100 From: "Matthew Winkworth" Subject: ScarletsWalk.co.uk - new ad-free forum for the Tori Amos online community! Hey, I found your e-mail address on thedent.com, and I thought I'd let you know of a brand new Tori Amos ad-free forum; www.scarletswalk.co.uk We noticed a lack of Tori message boards and hope to help unite Tori's online community! We look forward to meeting you for a chat sometime, The Scarlet's Walk Team [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of image001.jpg] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 15:41:18 -0700 From: "h." Subject: RE: seaside on scarlet's web > P/S: the mp3 on hereinmyhead.com is 256 kpbs, greatttttttttttt :) unfortunately, as someone on the forums discovered, the file on scarlet's web that the stream comes from was only ~100kbps. :( i was the one who encoded it at 256kbps and sent it to audrey, but trash in equals trash out. not that it's *trash*, it's definitely listenable, but don't get your hopes up based on the bitrate! *crosses fingers for cd release of all these b's* heather ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 18:53:52 -0400 From: David Mobley Subject: Re[2]: seaside on scarlet's web Needlessly at 256kbit, if you must. The 256kbit file clocks in around 6.1mb. I decoded that file, and re-encoded it to a properly done --alt-preset standard, Lame 3.92 VBR file, and came up with an identical sounding 3.81mb file. 2.3mb may not seem like much to you, but if 1,000 people download it, that's a significant amount of bandwidth, isn't it? 256kbit is not better, only bigger. (the size myth is yet again, untrue even with something like mp3's!) I personally would like to be able to get this stream and do it myself. I suspect that the artifacts (the sound like the vocals are underwater, or "crystally" as one of my friends once put it) are a result of the streaming codec and not the original mp3 encoding, but I'd like to get something better. This is a pretty bad sounding 256kbit mp3 IMO, and not quite comparable to TomBigBee. Were both available from the same streaming method? I never could get the stream to work on my machine for some reason. It never wanted to play right for me, and always did this weird stutter thing that I couldn't figure out. Tuesday, May 6, 2003, 5:28:50 PM, you wrote: c> I agree an MP3 Would be great. c> I mean it's what they people demand. :) c> Later :) c> Daniel c> P/S: the mp3 on hereinmyhead.com is 256 kpbs, greatttttttttttt :) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 19:36:11 -0400 From: noam tchotchke Subject: tori at meadowbrook - on-sale may 12th according to both clear channel and palacenet , tori's show at the meadowbrook music festival goes on-sale on monday, may 12th at 10am. looks like tickets will be sold through ticketmaster though there isn't an entry up on ticketmaster.com yet. here are the details from clear channel: Tori Amos With Special Guests Ben Folds Meadow Brook Music Festival Rochester Hills, MI August 15, 2003 - 7:00PM Eastern On sale May 12, 2003 - 10:00AM Lawn - limited quantity at venue box office only : $ 10.00 Lawn : $ 29.50 Pavilion : $ 39.50 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 20:21:24 EDT From: JNe9027355@aol.com Subject: Re: precious-things-digest V8 #91 In a message dated 4/9/03 10:21:30 PM Pacific Daylight Time, owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org writes: > "These creatures are not just pianos  They are alive. I talk with them. > I've curled up under them. I hide my lip gloss in them, and my secrets. A > Bvse is a friend." that is so cute! " it's a friend." hehehe she treats them like a playhouse. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 21:56:38 -0400 From: "Armani Boy" Subject: mp3 of "Live To Tell" anyone know if there's an mp3 out there of "Live To Tell" from this tour? i've heard the one from a few years ago that's floating around out there, but it's TERRIBLE! thanks for the help christiaan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 23:38:26 -0300 From: "cdrv" Subject: Re: Re[2]: seaside on scarlet's web The Good Thing is that WE HAVE the mp3 to download, clocking at 100 kpbs, 128 kpbs or 256 kpbs. It's NEW Tor =) Later :) Daniel - ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Mobley" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 7:53 PM Subject: Re[2]: seaside on scarlet's web > > Needlessly at 256kbit, if you must. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 23:39:52 -0300 From: "cdrv" Subject: Re: seaside on scarlet's web THANKSSSSSSSS SOOOOOOO MUCH For doing That =) Wouldn't be a good idea to start a petition to ask EPIC to release an Ep with the Bee Sides.? It might work :) Later :) Daniel - ----- Original Message ----- From: "h." To: "'Precious-things@smoe.org'" Cc: "'cdrv'" Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 7:41 PM Subject: RE: seaside on scarlet's web > > > > > P/S: the mp3 on hereinmyhead.com is 256 kpbs, greatttttttttttt :) > > unfortunately, as someone on the forums discovered, the file on scarlet's > web that the stream comes from was only ~100kbps. :( i was the one who > encoded it at 256kbps and sent it to audrey, but trash in equals trash out. > not that it's *trash*, it's definitely listenable, but don't get your hopes > up based on the bitrate! > > *crosses fingers for cd release of all these b's* > > heather ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 20:30:05 -0700 From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: moronmoronmoron - new ad-free forum for the Tori Amos online community! On Tuesday, May 6, 2003, at 15:38 US/Pacific, Matthew Winkworth wrote: > I found your e-mail address on thedent.com, and I thought I'd let you > know > of a brand new Tori Amos ad-free forum; > [snip the URL] > We noticed a lack of Tori message boards and hope to help unite Tori's > online community! Bwahahahahaha! Hello irony fairy. There is such a huge lack of Tori message boards that you had to email 10 different Tori mailing lists to tell us about it. Right. /nm {why does the word 'fuckwit' come to mind immediately?} ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V8 #114 *************************************