From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V8 #88 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Monday, April 7 2003 Volume 08 : Number 088 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Bosey Love [Brian K Tanaka ] Re: Bosey Love ["Becka" ] Re: Bosey Love [Cyndi S Crawford ] Re: Bosey Love [Richard Handal ] Re: Bosey Love [shaman@eskimo.com] RE: Bosey Love [Erika & Alan ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 23:16:38 -0800 From: Brian K Tanaka Subject: Bosey Love A question, a comment, and a URL... The question: I was having breakfast with a couple of friends recently and one of them mentioned that she was going to have dinner at another friend's house, and that *this* friend (phew!) had a big piano. (She said, "It's a Bosendorfer. Have you ever heard of Bosendorfer?" Heh.) Anyway, she mentioned that Bosendorfers have more keys than a regular grand piano. My question is, for anyone who happens to know, these extra keys... are they on the bass side, the treble side, or both? I'm just curious because whenever Tori lets loose with one of those blasts of thunder with her left hand (e.g. in the jamming part of Cornflake Girl) it always seems like she's going to knock the plaster off the walls and I wondered if she was taking advantage of those extra low notes. The comment: I've been making copies of my VCDs for a friend and tonight I was watching the Dallas 01 VCD (to make sure it came out ok) and I noticed that as Tori stands up after finishing Josephine, she gives her Bosey a couple of affectionate pats on the side. It's a very cool moment, imho. I don't recall seeing her doing this before. It's much like the kind of physical affection a rider would give to a beloved and trusted horse. The URL: Just before I posted this I felt strangely uncertain about spelling Bosendorfer (diacritical absence aside) so I did a quick Google search. One of the first hits was this cool picture: http://www.ptg.org/images/bose2.jpg Majestic! - -- - - Brian Tanaka - - Thunder Wishes, Fire Thought: http://www.well.com/~btanaka/tori ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 12:51:38 -0400 From: "Becka" Subject: Re: Bosey Love you should have your friend introduce you to the piano friend:) The extra keys are on the bass end..i remember reading it on the bosey site.. http://www.boesendorfer.com/intro.html. "Model 290 - ------------ It is the only concert grand in the world to have nine sub-bass notes, down to bottom C, giving it a full eight octave compass keyboard. These extra notes enable some compositions to be accurately performed, which were originally scored with lower notes, by composers such as Bartsk, Debussy, Ravel and Busoni. " I noticed Tori "patting" the Bosey after she stands up as well just on this tour though.. maybe I wasn't paying attention on 01, or maybe she didn't start doing it until after my show.. but you are right.. it is VERY much like the pat a rider would give a horse after a very well done ride. Have done it many times my self. I've had that picture of a Bosey in front of Hofberg Palace for years:) It's by far one of my favourite pictures.. I did the search as well for the Bosey link, and I'm happy to see that this person has the other pictures up as well.. Thank you for reminding me of this picture Brian:) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 13:47:06 -0400 From: Cyndi S Crawford Subject: Re: Bosey Love >My question is, for anyone who happens to know, these extra keys... are they on the bass side, the treble side, or both?< um.. probably more towards the bass.. I really don't know, but I've read things about the Bosie that state that its tone pitch is focused more towards the lower end of the mid-range level. Sincerely, Cyndi S. Crawford http://www.icenine.org/cyndi/ -- http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/368/ciara_blaze.html -- http://learntothink0.tripod.com/learntothinkagain/ -- http://www.geocities.com/keyyooo/clique.html "I know we're dying / and there's no sign of a parachute / we scream in cathedrals / why can't it be beautiful / why does there gotta be a sacrifice?" -- Tori Amos ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 14:59:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Handal Subject: Re: Bosey Love Brian axed: > My question is, for anyone who happens to know, these extra keys... are > they on the bass side, the treble side, or both? Bass. And their colors are inverted--black and white are reversed. There are few written works in the "classical" repertory which use these extra keys, but even without their strings being struck they resonate in sympathy when the piano is being played and add a palpable lushness to the sound. That's only one reason the Boseys sound so great. I've had the experience more than once after having not listened for some months to the 1999 b-side of Famous Blue Raincoat which was recorded live and thinking after a few seconds that there was something really messed up with the piano, and then flashing on the reason why that is: It was recorded on a rented Yamaha in Binghamton on 10 November 1998 when the Bosey was sick. If you're used to hearing that Bosey the Yamaha just doesn't cut it. I'm astonished they released that recording with the Yamaha. Wild. I never told this: My Rockville, Maryland, auto mechanic of more than twenty years is a concert pianist in local community orchestras, and he attended the Peabody Conservatory as well as Montgomery College in Rockville, and even had some of the same teachers as Tori. The main conductor with whom he performs was also the music director--may still be--at the last church where Dr. Amos was pastor. Screwy coincidences. Anyway, he was telling me not long ago about a new customer coming in and her having a vanity license plate which read "97 KEYS." He began to speak with her when she brought in her car and before anything else he mentioned the license plates, telling her, "The only thing I know of that has 97 keys is a Boesendorfer Imperial Grand." She was shocked that he knew what her special plates meant. Well, it was funny when he told *me* about it, anyway. > The comment: I've been making copies of my VCDs for a friend and > tonight I was watching the Dallas 01 VCD (to make sure it came out ok) > and I noticed that as Tori stands up after finishing Josephine, she > gives her Bosey a couple of affectionate pats on the side. It's a very > cool moment, imho. I don't recall seeing her doing this before. If you have video of any recent concerts, Brian, watch when she first comes out. If you're at the correct angle you may see her do this before she takes the bench. I believe it was the 1999 tour that she used to feign humping it when she came out--sometimes more subtly than others. She's a queer duck, she is. > The URL: Just before I posted this I felt strangely uncertain about > spelling Bosendorfer (diacritical absence aside) so I did a quick Google > search. One of the first hits was this cool picture: > > http://www.ptg.org/images/bose2.jpg Nice photo. Of course the Hofburg Imperial Palace setting doesn't hurt. I suspect the Boesendorfer factory isn't far from where that photo was taken in Vienna although the wide open space there would suck out all the life from any sound the piano might make. That's the Model 290 all right. Here it is on the company site: http://www.boesendorfer.com/_english_version/products/black_models/models/model290.html The umlaut over the first "o" is replaced with an "e" after the "o" if it's omitted. Oh, the cult of the Bosey. Be seeing you, Richard Handal, H.G. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2003 16:06:13 -0700 From: shaman@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Bosey Love On Sat, 5 Apr 2003 23:16:38 -0800, you wrote: > >A question, a comment, and a URL... > >The question: I was having breakfast with a couple of friends recently >and one of them mentioned that she was going to have dinner at another >friend's house, and that *this* friend (phew!) had a big piano. (She >said, "It's a Bosendorfer. Have you ever heard of Bosendorfer?" Heh.) >Anyway, she mentioned that Bosendorfers have more keys than a regular >grand piano. My question is, for anyone who happens to know, these >extra keys... are they on the bass side, the treble side, or both? I'm >just curious because whenever Tori lets loose with one of those blasts >of thunder with her left hand (e.g. in the jamming part of Cornflake >Girl) it always seems like she's going to knock the plaster off the >walls and I wondered if she was taking advantage of those extra low >notes. First of all, what you said about Bvsendorfer isn't quite true. Only their Imperial model has the 4 extra bass keys. Secondly, I believe that the keyboard starts at A instead of C. The four extra keys are definitely on the bass end. Of that much I'm sure. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2003 21:49:51 -0400 From: Erika & Alan Subject: RE: Bosey Love >My question is, for anyone who happens to know, these >extra keys... are they on the bass side, the treble side, or both? I'm >just curious because whenever Tori lets loose with one of those blasts >of thunder with her left hand (e.g. in the jamming part of Cornflake >Girl) it always seems like she's going to knock the plaster off the >walls and I wondered if she was taking advantage of those extra low >notes. I believe they are on the bass end. I had also thought that the Bosendorfers didn't't come with the extra keys, but that Tori had hers made with them. It would be interesting to find out which answer is correct, with your new info, I'm sure they come that way. Erika ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V8 #88 ************************************