From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V8 #64 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Wednesday, March 12 2003 Volume 08 : Number 064 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: NYC RCMH Night 2 Review ["Reed Darsey" ] Re: NYC RCMH Night 2 Review [Brian K Tanaka ] quote/lyric [JNe9027355@aol.com] quote/lyric ["Tony Fernandes" ] Living Room Concert - Mar. 21st Jessica Weiser [DLynngarrett@aol.com] tori in san luis obispo - april 15 [noam tchotchke ] "a sorta fairytale" on Pop-Up video [e m ] Tori's Jaws ["Megan Harris" ] Re: "a sorta fairytale" on Pop-Up video ["trent \[hardcore since '74\]" <] Re: Tori's Jaws [Kelley Harrell ] Oh! ["Jon Haverman" ] Re: Tori's Jaws rude response ["Megan Harris" ] Re: Tori's Jaws rude response [noam tchotchke ] tori in san antonio, tx [Beth Winegarner ] tori in san antonio - april 25 [noam tchotchke ] Fwd: precious-things-digest V8 #63 [Twinkle018@aol.com] fanscape update [noam tchotchke ] tori in grand prairie, tx - april 23 [noam tchotchke ] Re: Oh! [Cyndi S Crawford ] Re: [ToriTour US] fanscape update [noam tchotchke ] Presale : Houston ["mharbott@houston.rr.com" ] Re: Fwd: precious-things-digest V8 #63 [Brian K Tanaka ] Re: Presale : Houston [Nadyne Mielke ] village voice review [noam tchotchke ] Re: village voice review [Richard Handal ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 23:12:18 -0600 From: "Reed Darsey" Subject: Re: NYC RCMH Night 2 Review On Sat, 8 Mar 2003 13:01:05 -0500 (EST), Richard Handal wrote: [...] > Absolutely, but let us include Frank Sinatra, too. This comparison has been on my mind for years. Thank you for doing it. _________________________________________________________ Reed Darsey / Grand Bay, Alabama, USA / eFax 520-569-6961 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 22:15:41 -0800 From: Brian K Tanaka Subject: Re: NYC RCMH Night 2 Review On Mon, Mar 10, 2003 at 11:26:15PM -0500, Richard Handal boldly wrote: > been termed. I'd be most curious to hear if this kind of thing has been > presented as known music theory. I never heard of it. I've done a lot of > thinking over many years about the psychology of how music affects one in > different ways. This is one idea that made sense to me. (I made it up.) Ah, nice. "Handal's Listener Response Theory". ;-) > I also have some theories on how "psychedelic" music such as of the > Grateful Dead and fugal "classical" compositional styles can serve to > transport one out of one's head beyond what other types of music typically > would, and technically, why that works. The rhythmic shifting of two or > more lines against one another--be they vocal against piano (left hand and > right hand could create more than a single line of musical thought, too) > or guitar against bass and vocal or whatever--can work to sort of unseat > the train of conscious thought so as to allow one to dissociate with what > one might otherwise have had going on in one's conscious mind. The type of > thinking used to follow shifting lines of music isn't used in everyday > life except in certain professions or hobbies. Enough of that for now. It seems this line of thought is relevant enough to Tori's music to warrant further exploration here, so if you'd like to expand a bit on the concept I, for one, would not object. Only if you have time, of course. It's a nice natural next step down the psychology of music path and it segueways nicely with the Tori/Jazz stuff especially with the addition of the Dead who, as someone once put it, (I'm paraphrasing) "play(ed) jazz in the rock idiom" and who, in my personal opinion, occupy some overlapping space with Tori. > > I wonder how much this kind of thing plays into songs now more than ten > > years old stay so fresh? > > The songs get almost wholly reinvented each tour, and then many of them > further refined over the course of the tours. She rearranges them > according to the instrumentation available on a given tour combined with > taking a fresh look at the old material and making it as new as if had > spontaneously sprung from a puddle of mud. The songs that are obviously reinvented, or reinvented, I should say, in more overt and obvious ways (e.g. Crucify) don't surprise me when they sound fresh and new. It's the ones that haven't gone through such dramatic changes that strike me as being surprisingly fresh. I'll continue with SATY as my example. By my count, though I hardly claim the final word on this, there's been essentially two incarnations of SATY: the original arrangement and the arrangement she's been playing since '96. The changes were apparent but fairly subtle, mainly centered on the increased elasticity timing. And yet, if you accept that SATY hasn't changed radically in the last 7 years, there's something undeniably vibrant about her that is not easily explained. Some of that is accounted for by the painstakingly careful level of attention Tori pays to her craft and to each song on each particular occassion as you point out, but I can't shake the feeling that there's more at work here than that. Don't press me for details. I'm sure I couldn't articulate it. > Don't let anyone tell you that the stuff she says about the songs being > girls and going out in different clothes is crap--this is really the way > things work. People who complain about that don't understand this or > they're hung up on the language. I think the whole concept of the songs as girls is quintessential Tori: it's simultaneously cute and accurate, funny and serious, metaphoric and real. It so perfectly confuses the non-initiated, and yet conveys to those who open themselves to the concept more about the nature of her creative process than a less colorful method could ever possibly do. - -- - - Brian Tanaka - - Thunder Wishes, Fire Thought: http://www.well.com/~btanaka/tori ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 06:54:37 EST From: JNe9027355@aol.com Subject: quote/lyric In a message dated 2/17/03 10:21:15 PM Pacific Standard Time, owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org writes: > just keep your eyes on her > keep don't look away > keep your eyes on > her horizon ~tori amos whats this from? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 06:00:31 -0800 From: "Tony Fernandes" Subject: quote/lyric wrote: "just keep your eyes on her keep don't look away keep your eyes on her horizon ~tori amos whats this from?" The song Carbon from the album Scarlet's Walk. Tony What's more likely? That an all-powerful mysterious god created the universe and then decided not to give any proof of his existence? Or, that he simply doesn't exist at all? And that we created him so that we wouldn't have to feel so small and alone. -Eleanor Arroway, Contact ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 09:47:26 -0500 From: DLynngarrett@aol.com Subject: Living Room Concert - Mar. 21st Jessica Weiser Live In My Living Room..... Friday, March 21st at 8 pm JESSICA WEISER with Lyle Koehnlein opening local performers Todd Brady, JJ Crites and Matt Kern Toledo, Ohio Suggested donation: $10 Beverages and Snacks Provided Greetings Everyone! I am excited to present the first of a series of Living Room Concerts to be held in Toledo, Ohio. Toledo is located in close proximity to Detroit and Ann Arbor, Michigan. Cleveland is about an hour and a half away as well. I have previously hosted Sarah Slean, Tory Cassis, Emm Gryner, Tricia Conception and Pepper McGowan. I plan to continue these shows through the summer so check your calendars and make your reservation now :) I can easily accomodate 30-35 people but you must email me to reserve a spot. RSVP dlynngarrett@aol.com Coming in April! Tuesday, April 29th at 7 pm TERAMI HIRSCH ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 10:19:32 -0500 From: noam tchotchke Subject: tori in san luis obispo - april 15 Tori Amos Tuesday, 4/15/03 7:50PM PDT Performing Arts Center San Luis Obispo Christopher Cohan Center This event is currently not available for sale through the web. It is scheduled to go onsale at: 03/14/03 10:00AM PST. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 08:09:39 -0800 (PST) From: e m Subject: "a sorta fairytale" on Pop-Up video hey all. i saw 'a sorta fairytale' last night on pop up video's top 20 videos of winter 2003 it will be reaired, tonite, 12 AM midnite, & MARCH 13 , at 5 PM i was flipped the channels , so i am not sure where it was on their countdown. - -ellen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 11:19:26 -0500 From: "Megan Harris" Subject: Tori's Jaws Hey, I once read Tori had a problem with her jaws(?) that often made it quite uncofmortable to sing for long periods of time (i.e. she suffered while in concert/on stage). Is this true - and does anybody know what the name of the ailment was? ~~Meg Megan S. Harris AOL IM: Megaela Phone: (434)825-3034 Megaela@myrealbox.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 08:27:20 -0800 (PST) From: "trent \[hardcore since '74\]" Subject: Re: "a sorta fairytale" on Pop-Up video it was #4 and it's not the whole video ... it's cute tho e m wrote: hey all. i saw 'a sorta fairytale' last night on pop up video's top 20 videos of winter 2003 it will be reaired, tonite, 12 AM midnite, & MARCH 13 , at 5 PM i was flipped the channels , so i am not sure where it was on their countdown. - --- meet me @ trent-vanegas.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 11:30:09 -0500 From: Kelley Harrell Subject: Re: Tori's Jaws TMJ--temporal mandibular syndrome. very common. be well! Megan Harris wrote: > Hey, I once read Tori had a problem with her jaws(?) that often made > it quite uncofmortable to sing for long periods of time (i.e. she > suffered while in concert/on stage). Is this true - and does anybody > know what the name of the ailment was? - -- ~ kelley _____________________ The Saferoom Project http://www.saferoom.org/ the leafpile http://www.theleafpile.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 10:47:02 -0500 From: "Jon Haverman" Subject: Oh! >>if someone who gets oxygen can watch and let us know what's up, that would >>be cool. >>thanks, >>woj I saw an advert last night on Oxygen which had Tori stating the show will be televised this Sunday, March 16th at 10:00 p.m. haves ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 13:56:38 -0500 From: "Megan Harris" Subject: Re: Tori's Jaws rude response Ok, somebody just emailed me (rather rudely I might add) and said that someone was going to "bitch" that I asked that question because it was off topic (?). HUH?! Good grief. It was an question that I thought would be appropriate for this list considering that the description of this list on the dent says: "Here is another mailing lists for general discussion on Tori..." I rarely EVER speak up on this list except to ask a small question that someone can usually answer quickly and in about 3 seconds. I try to word my questions or comments concisely in order to take up little time & space. If I have misintrepreted the use of this list, please let me know so may unsubscribe. I don't mean to be so grumpy, but really - being emailed that wasn't so nice. ~meg Megan S. Harris AOL IM: Megaela Phone: (434)825-3034 Megaela@myrealbox.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 14:07:22 -0500 From: noam tchotchke Subject: Re: Tori's Jaws rude response one time at band camp, Megan Harris said: >Ok, somebody just emailed me (rather rudely I might add) and said that >someone was going to "bitch" that I asked that question because it was off >topic (?). HUH?! for the record, the question was not off-topic. it's about tori and, as has been noted, it's a known fact that tori suffers from tmj. if the question had been off-topic, i wouldn't approved meg's post and sent it through to the list, in the first place -- remember everyone, precious-things is *moderated*. >If I have misintrepreted the use of this list, please let me know so may >unsubscribe. nope, stick around, meg. you understand things correctly. if anyone wants to discuss with me why meg's question was "off-topic", please take it up with offlist. woj ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 11:14:50 -0800 From: Beth Winegarner Subject: tori in san antonio, tx On Tue, Mar 11, 2003 at 01:11:12PM -0600, Reg wrote: > http://www.ticketmaster.com/event/0C003663D699B2AC?brand=&artistid=749136&ma > jorcatid=10001&minorcatid=60 > > went to the dent and saw this link. it had been taken down recently but it's > back up. internet presale begins thursday at 10. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 14:18:44 -0500 From: noam tchotchke Subject: tori in san antonio - april 25 the san antonio ticketmaster listing has reappeared, this time with presale information. thanks to reg for pointing this out! woj Tori Amos Majestic Theatre, San Antonio, TX Fri, Apr 25, 2003 7:30pm Ticket Limit There is a 4 ticket limit for the Fan Club presale. Internet Onsale Info Presale Start: Thu, 03/13/03, 10:00am Presale End: Fri, 03/14/03, 5:00pm Onsale to General Public: Sat, 03/15/03, 10:00am ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 14:36:48 EST From: Twinkle018@aol.com Subject: Fwd: precious-things-digest V8 #63 In a message dated 3/10/2003 10:22:21 PM Pacific Standard Time, owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org writes: > I wonder if, given that and > given the relationship between listener expectation and performance > variation, singing out loud--because it brings listener expectation > disproportionately to the fore--actually decreases the quality of the > listener's experience. (I hope so, because then I could make a shirt to > wear to shows that says, "It's been scientifically proven that you > should shut up." ;-) So funny you should say that... it brings me back to the second Seattle show in '96 where I sat in front of this man, God bless his soul, who sang all... ALL of "Baker, Baker" in monotone attempts at appreciating the song. That time, it was one of the most beautiful songs I had ever appreciated of Tori's. It broke my heart that her tones were counteracted w/ what this man could not hold back. My two cents, Desiree ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 16:25:10 -0500 From: noam tchotchke Subject: fanscape update fanscape has updated their listing , announcing presale for san antonio and houston and adding one date we didn't already know about: april 9th in missoula, montana! here's the details: april 9 - harry adams field house, missoula, montana * public sale starts friday, march 14th at 10am *NO PRESALE* ticketing vendor not known yet but i'll guess that tickets will be onsale through the university of montana university center box office: http://www.umt.edu/uc/boxoffice/ april 25 - majestic theatre, san antonio, texas * presale starts wednesday, march 13 at 10am http://www.ticketmaster.com/event/0C003663D699B2AC april 27 - verizon wireless theatre, houston, texas * presale starts wednesday, march 13 at 10am http://www.ticketmaster.com/event/0C003657BFB34D9F as always, the presale password will be sent out to the toriamos.com newsletter. sign up at http://www.toriamos.com/email.html. woj ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 16:27:34 -0500 From: noam tchotchke Subject: tori in grand prairie, tx - april 23 Tori Amos Nextstage, Grand Prairie, TX Wed, Apr 23, 2003 7:00pm Internet Onsale Info Onsale to General Public: Sat, 03/22/03, 10:00am ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 16:25:45 -0500 From: Cyndi S Crawford Subject: Re: Oh! >I saw an advert last night on Oxygen which had Tori stating the show will be televised this Sunday, March 16th at 10:00 p.m.< That was for the concert. The Issac M. show was on last night at 10:30 and it was absolutely terriffic! :) Sincerely, Cyndi S. Crawford http://www.icenine.org/cyndi/ -- http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/368/ciara_blaze.html -- http://learntothink0.tripod.com/learntothinkagain/ -- http://www.geocities.com/keyyooo/ -- http://www.cafepress.com/cp/store/store.aspx?storeid=kittitude Tori Amos' response when asked to describe herself in five words: "I. Do. Not. Describe. Myself." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 16:51:10 -0500 From: noam tchotchke Subject: Re: [ToriTour US] fanscape update >april 25 - majestic theatre, san antonio, texas >* presale starts wednesday, march 13 at 10am > http://www.ticketmaster.com/event/0C003663D699B2AC > >april 27 - verizon wireless theatre, houston, texas >* presale starts wednesday, march 13 at 10am > http://www.ticketmaster.com/event/0C003657BFB34D9F slight correction: both of these presales are on *thursday*, march 13th. woj ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 17:16:28 -0500 From: "mharbott@houston.rr.com" Subject: Presale : Houston Hey guys, I am on the Tori Amos.com mailing list but have still not received any info about the presale password for this week...in particular for the Houston show. I know that it has been posted on this list before. Please, if anyone could help out, I would really appreciate it! Thanks, Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 14:51:23 -0800 From: Brian K Tanaka Subject: Re: Fwd: precious-things-digest V8 #63 > > wear to shows that says, "It's been scientifically proven that you > > should shut up." ;-) > > So funny you should say that... it brings me back to the second Seattle show > in '96 where I sat in front of this man, God bless his soul, who sang all... > ALL of "Baker, Baker" in monotone attempts at appreciating the song. That > time, it was one of the most beautiful songs I had ever appreciated of > Tori's. It broke my heart that her tones were counteracted w/ what this man > could not hold back. Oh no! Terrible... Did he do that all night, or only for that one song? Well, at least we got a nice Baker Baker in Seattle this tour. You were at the Key Arena show, yes? Hope no one sang near you this time! - -- - - Brian Tanaka - - Thunder Wishes, Fire Thought: http://www.well.com/~btanaka/tori ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 14:57:52 -0800 (PST) From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: Presale : Houston "mharbott@houston.rr.com" wrote: > I am on the Tori Amos.com mailing list but have still not received > any info about the presale password for this week...in particular for > the Houston show. I know that it has been posted on this list before. > Please, if anyone could help out, I would really appreciate it! Presale passwords are sent out to toriamos.com mailing list subscribers the night before the presale. There's no info to be had yet. For those of y'all who haven't yet, or aren't sure about your subscription, go to and sign up for the mailing list. That is the absolute fastest way to get the presale passwords. They do get announced on the various Tori forums by other Toriphiles, but you have to wait for someone to remember to forward it along. HTH. :) /nm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 19:38:08 -0500 From: noam tchotchke Subject: village voice review The Sound of the City March 12 - 18, 2003 Posture of the Lioness Seven white spotlights converge on the woman straddling a grand piano bench. In her flashing silver gown, black boots, and jeans she fulfills all three of her storied personae: diva, witch, and hippie chick. She's mic'd so close you can hear her lick her lips. She launches into "Winter," a hit from 10 years ago, and the audience, prepared to sing along, is mesmerized instead. "Snow can wait . . . I forgot my mittens. . . . " Her huge piano has a hint of reverb shining on the harmonics and underlining the bass notes. She teases lyrics with beats of hesitation, dropping lines to a whisper; all you can hear from the crowd is rapt silence. Outside, there is fresh snow; inside, Tori Amos is in control. She gives it to us like a full-grown woman, working each of her dream biographies through four or five moods, crooning in a lower voice and standing up to thrash the keyboard for a "rocker" like "Precious Things." She channels Carole King or Stevie Nicks (lingering on "Landslide" 's refrain, "I'm getting older too"). One doesn't have to be a Tori-mytho-manean "ear with feet," in their slightly embarrassing parlance, to dig a female singer-songwriter, nearly 40 and the mother of a young child, outside of any conceivable trend (where's Kate Bush these days?), coming out with her best album in four years and commanding the stage at Radio City for three sold-out nights. One doesn't have to, for example, have been a 14-year-old girl when Under the Pink came out, have listened to it under the covers, on cassette, afraid the earphones would slip out of your boom box just as she belted, "So you can make me come, it doesn't make you Jesus." It's enough to be with her in this moment, blinded by the fuchsia lights, along on a tour called "Scarlet's Walk," with porn stars, goddesses, and lots of Indians, "lost in a place called America." Anya Kamenetz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 19:55:47 -0500 (EST) From: Richard Handal Subject: Re: village voice review woj posted a swell Voice review: Thanks for that. They seemingly knew whereof they spoke. It confuses me, though, when a learned reviewer such as that makes a simple mistake such as attributing Precious Things to the Under the Pink album. Odd. Be seeing you, Richard Handal, H.G. ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V8 #64 ************************************