From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V8 #45 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Thursday, February 20 2003 Volume 08 : Number 045 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [ToriTour US] this week's tori presales [noam tchotchke ] Extra Tix's - 2/22, AL - Below Face! [Michael Cunningham ] Re: BFP [Cyndi S Crawford ] Fwd: boise presale [noam tchotchke ] san jose on ticketmaster [noam tchotchke ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 08:45:12 -0500 From: noam tchotchke Subject: Re: [ToriTour US] this week's tori presales one time at band camp, noam tchotchke said: >(3) the memorial auditorium is a tickets.com venue so the show should >eventually show up at http://www.tickets.com/venue_info.cgi?vid=14720 . as predicted! http://purchase.tickets.com/buy/TicketPurchase?agency=TDC&pid=5135796 Tori Amos Sunday, 4/13/03 7:30PM PDT * Onsale 2/22/03 Memorial Auditorium See a street map for this venue This event is currently not available for sale through the web. It is scheduled to go onsale at: 02/22/03 10:00AM PST. i'm sure the listing will be updated to reflect tomorrow's presale by tomorrow morning sometime. woj ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 10:41:22 -0500 From: noam tchotchke Subject: tori at radio city 3/7 ticket for sale i have one extra ticket for tori's performance at radio city music hall on friday, march 7th that i would like to sell. the seat is ORCH2, row QQ, seat 206. this is house right on the main floor, about 15 rows from the stage -- there is a pretty detailed seating chart at (although, it does not show the three row orchestra pit in front of the main orchestra). face value is $50. ticketmaster fees were $10.12. so, i'd like to sell for $60.12, but the price is negotiable if anyone is interested. drop me a note off-list if you are. one criteria: you'll be sitting next to me for the show so you gotta be quiet! ;) thanks! woj n.p. jethro tull - too old to rock'n'roll: too young to die! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 07:54:54 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Cunningham Subject: Extra Tix's - 2/22, AL - Below Face! I have 2 extra Balcony tix's in the front row, next to the aisle, just to the right of center. Balcony Row Q (front row) seats 901 & 902. The aisle that these are next to is inbetween the middle and right sections. No one blocking your view here! $27.50 is face for each, plus I paid about 10 bucks in charges for each (I just love ticketbastard!) BUT you can have them both for $50 - I'm just making sure I can get rid of them. LET ME KNOW ASAP and have a great day. Thanks. - -Mike begonias15@yahoo.com "let's go for a ride..." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 11:15:43 EST From: Dracovixen@aol.com Subject: BFP I have a few things to say about the cover picture (where she's holding a gun). And some other stuff. In this picture, we see Tori doing a return to the earth kind of thing - the mud splattered all over her legs and clothing, and the snakes at her feet. Snakes were symbolic of many old Earth Goddesses (I'm sure everyone knows about the snake goddess statues). A serpent, though long and slender which might make one think of them as phallic, were closely aligned with women for their movements. A snake writhes and slithers and bends. Some have said the writhing is very similar to that of an orgasming woman, or any woman experiencing pleasure. Also, snakes are close to the ground, and as has been seen throughout history across cultures, the majority of gods aligned with the earth have been female. As Starhawk has pointed out, the Goddess is *immanent*, whereas often the God figure has been seen as *transcendant* (just look to the Abrahamic religions for confirmation on this). Simone de Beauvoir also says this of men and women - men's duties and evolution has made him transcendant, whereas women's duties were made immanent. Part of breaking through gender role is to allow women transcendance, and to allow men immanence. Throughout mythology, as we see the defeat of the Serpent (the blame of the serpent and Eve, Apollo's slaughter of the Python who belonged to the earth goddess and his eventual takeover of the Delphi Oracle, and Yahweh's curse of Leviathon - the whore of Babylon) just as we see the downfall of goddess worship, and women's status. It is an interesting link. In a way, Tori seems to be reclaiming this power. Pigs are also aligned with Goddess figures. After all, they too are close to the ground, not only by their short legs, but how they root and nestle in mud and all the other piggy things. Their bodies are very round, another thing attributed with Goddess figures, and sows are usually excellent, nurturing mothers who can be very protective of their young. The picture of Tori and the piglet (like a Madonna and Child) are very reminiscent of this ideology - it's like a return to the Divine Feminine, and her own powerful femininity, after years of vampiric attachment to Masculinity, whether it was Divine or Mortal. Back to the first picture. We also see a rooster, or a cock if you'd prefer, presumably dead and hung upside down. What better image to represent a Masculine Force? Maybe the implication is that she has killed it herself - and after all the title if Boys for Pele...and Pele had boys sacrificed to her. So, perhaps what is to be read here is that Tori has overcome the Masculine Force, and now she's hung it up like a trophy from her victory. She carries a gun still - guns kill. She's serious. The rifle is her new protection after she has made her return to the Earth, and has come back filled with fire and rage (as we see the fire and the rage throughout the rest of the booklet). This picture is like a warning to all men, and especially the Patriarch of them all, that they had better cut their bullshit and show some respect, perhaps? She's showing them that women have power, too, even a goddess that has long been forgotten and vilified. There are cows in this booklet, too. Cows were also aligned with Goddesses. Big round, generally calm animals, who like to eat and sit and chew their cud. Short-tempered bulls were associated with gods. I'm looking through the Boys for Pele songbook right now, and I see one picture in the beginning where she is sitting, smiling, on a mattress, and behind her is the skull of a bull. I say bull due to the large curving horns, though I am aware that many breeds of cow do grow horns, generally when a skull like that is seen, everyone assumes it is male. And this male, like the cock, is dead. It is hard to tell whether or not the ghostly children are male or female. But, I often see them as female - perhaps due to my interpretation. It is a common phenomena that women experience when they are older to think back on the little headstrong girl they once were. Even if they had been shy, they had wants and desires, and as children, their desires (and their words) weren't usually squelched. They were allowed to run wild and free for the most part - I know many people who were once "tomboys", and nowadays wouldn't climb a tree if you paid them. Not only that, but they find it hard to open their mouth and make a request to do something that they truly want to do. Somewhere along the way, that little girl grew quiet, and became preoccupied with looking good, dating, and then finding Mr. Right, and then pleasing your husband and putting family first. Granted, many women have great careers and some of these women are balancing career and family - but the guilt for these women is sometimes overwhelming due to subtle social pressures, and their own internalized values inherited from society and their parents. (In a bar I used to go to, they have a sticker that says "A Nice Ass Should Be Seen, Not Heard." Funny as it may seem to some, it really does give a telling of what society will do to women.) Now you have Tori, coming from a terrible breakup of a long-term relationship where she realizes she had been sucking from this man for all life, and she never bothered to build her own sense of self. I remember an interview with her where she said something along the lines of never feeling whole if she wasn't with her piano, or with a guy. That could be why the Bosendorfer is burning. She had to cut that out from her life in a symbolic ritual of gaining her own independence, the same independence she had had as a child - perhaps one of those children staring out the window from an old shack. And, as much of the imagery from the booklet suggests, she did it by discovering her dark side, and her femininity. (Darkness and the Goddess are also closely aligned - the moon and the night are most often attributed to her, as well as the womb, deep waters, and in the Asian yin-yang symbol, the dark side, yin, is said to be female.) Lastly, the butterflies. The butterfly is most often associated with two things, the soul and transformation. The soul stems from the story of Eros and Psyche. Psyche is the Greek word for soul, but it also means butterfly. Eros is love. This story illustrates the trials of the soul to become a union with divine love, and together they have a daughter named Pleasure. Psyche, during her toils for love, is transformed by her experience. A butterfly is most often used as a symbol for transformation due to their metamorphosis from caterpillar to butterfly. A caterpillar is close to the ground, and often ugly. A butterfly is beautiful and can fly away. It is compared to that of the human plight - in our physical realm we are the caterpillars. In some afterlife beliefs, we will shed away the physical matter and transform into butterflies (not literally)...or our souls. So Tori's experiences have transformed her. So, I'm sorry if that was long, but that's my interpretation of BFP. It's also my favorite when it comes to album art. :) Black Dove ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 08:27:42 -0800 (PST) From: e m Subject: 2 extra syracuse tix & advice hi all, i have posted on exit75, so if you have read this and have no advice for me--ignore But someone PLEASE help :) i have 2 sets of 2 tickets for the 3/1/03 show at the landmark theatre in syracuse, ny. i just am not 100% sure which ones i want for myself. they are both good seats. 1. CENTER LOGE section, SECOND ROW, two seats on the right side aisle, thus about 6 seats right from dead center(good view of tori's face & the 2 vintage keyboards) . the loge section Begins about 8 rows back according to the box office. 2. CENTER 1RST MEZ. section, FIRST ROW, two seats on the left side aisle, thus about 7 seats Left of dead center (better view of piano keys). the mez begins about 15/20 rows from the stage. so the one that is the better angle and unobstructed view is a bit further back and further up. they both should be great for sound quality being in the center and further back from the stage. which ones should i keep for myself??? i am taking a friend new to tori, and would like her to get the best exper. possible. is it better for a NEW person to see tori's hands on the piano keys, or be closer to the action???? for us seasoned fans, we know that she is awesome, so i care more about sound quality, and for that both sets of seats are great, i just want my friend to get why i love tori so much :) IF YOU ARE INTERESTED in EITHER SET, please let me know, i am selling them at cost, to break even b/c i am going poor from this tour! thanks if you bothered to read all this and even more thanks to anyone who takes the time out to respond. thank you thank you thank you eleni ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 12:18:16 -0500 From: Cyndi S Crawford Subject: Re: BFP >...So, I'm sorry if that was long, but that's my interpretation of BFP. It's also my favorite when it comes to album art. :)< and it's also VERY VERY well done. golly.. O_O I liked that a lot! Sincerely, Cyndi S. Crawford http://www.platinumcomplication.com/cyndi/ -- http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/368/ciara_blaze.html -- http://learntothink0.tripod.com/learntothinkagain/ -- http://www.geocities.com/keyyooo/ -- http://www.cafepress.com/cp/store/store.aspx?storeid=kittitude Tori Amos' response when asked to describe herself in five words: "I. Do. Not. Describe. Myself." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 12:23:04 -0500 From: noam tchotchke Subject: Fwd: boise presale thanks to ty for this. the link to buy tickets for boise is http://www.idahotickets.com/presale/ >From: Ty Barrett >To: >Subject: boise presale >Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 12:09:24 -0500 > >i just got in using the following info: > >login: tori >password: gold > >pulled up row AA tickets, which is first row after the pit, so there's good >stuff to be had! :-) >-ty woj ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 13:43:18 -0500 From: noam tchotchke Subject: san jose on ticketmaster thank you robyn! >Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 10:39:47 -0800 (PST) >From: Robyn >To: violetandmike@torithoughts.org >Subject: Re: [ToriTour US] this week's tori presales > >The San Jose show has been posted on ticketmaster: >http://www.ticketmaster.com/event/1C003652E1A1546E?brand=&artistid=749136&majorcatid=10001&minorcatid=60 ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V8 #45 ************************************