From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V7 #151 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Thursday, July 11 2002 Volume 07 : Number 151 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Sorta bad song ["Ryan -" ] Re: Sorta bad song [acopperbeechDryad ] toriamos.com update [guapo stick ] Re: metaphor [Dracovixen@aol.com] BIG re:Fairytale ["Kasia" ] summer cleaning ["Sonya Harway" ] Re: Sorta bad song [Cyndi S Crawford ] Re: BIG re:Fairytale ["Becka" ] metaphor [Abbe J Cohen ] I think I solved the chorus mystery for Fairytale [ToriPhileX@aol.com] Re: Sorta bad song [violet@torithoughts.org] Re: I think I solved the chorus mystery for Fairytale [ckerley ] Re: A sorta Fairy Tale... ["Ali E." ] Re: I think I solved the chorus mystery for Fairytale [Richard Handal ] not a rant [VioletLilith@aol.com] Re: "A Sorta Fairytale" mp3 ~ ["Lisa Zwick" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 04:49:43 -0400 From: "Ryan -" Subject: Sorta bad song I'm entitled to my opinion. I don't want to hear this stupid, "how can you not like something the goddess sings!?" stuff. It's horrible in my opinion. It's cheesey. It's britney spears intellect. "Sorta Fairytale" is the title! My have we come a long way from the ratatouille strychnine. I was scared when I heard the title. This is the highlight of the album? Man, I thought To Venus and Back, and Strange Little Girls were bad. So much for my "she's popping out shit real fast so she can end her contract with atlantic" theory. More like, she has joined the ranks of artists who got married and had kids and went down the tubes. Try, just try and not respond with some ridiculous rant. Be a little objective, maybe you'll realize it's perfectly reasonable to dislike something regardless of who made it. (I'm still scratching my head in disbelief that concertina was a single) "consateeena, consateeena." a sorta fairytale with you. what is the fairytale? like a good book? puhleaze. like a bad song. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 09:01:01 -0400 From: acopperbeechDryad Subject: Re: Sorta bad song Ryan - wrote: > > I'm entitled to my opinion. I don't want to hear this stupid, "how can you > not like something the goddess sings!?" stuff. It's horrible in my opinion. > It's cheesey. It's britney spears intellect. "Sorta Fairytale" is the title! i love the title. and i dont know about the britney part, but i don't like it either. for starters, when i began the song, i got pissed off cos i thought the drum track was a MIDI file playing in the background of some pop-up web page. the song sounds like every other ballad off the last CD. i'm wasn't impressed with those, i'm not impressed with this. i am, however, anxious to hear the rest of the CD. don't get me wrong. she is and will always be a goddess to me. i don't care what she does. but no, i don't LIKE all of what she does, and i don't have to to realize she is a goddess among us. so. *awaits the forthcoming CD* - -- ~ kelley "religion is how man interprets God. spirituality is how God interprets man." ~me _____________________ The Saferoom Project http://www.saferoom.org/ the leafpile http://www.theleafpile.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 09:43:12 -0400 From: guapo stick Subject: toriamos.com update there's been a brief update to the news section of toriamos.com. nothing useful, but further confirmation of the album title and release date: Tuesday, July 9 It's official that Tori will be releasing her new album, titled Scartlet's Walk, on October 15. Stay tuned for more details! given the press of the past couple days, this is nice to have, but seems more like a thrown bone than anything else. :( woj ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 11:34:08 EDT From: Dracovixen@aol.com Subject: Re: metaphor Actually, I thought To Venus and Back had plenty of metaphor. So did a lot of stuff on From the Choirgirl Hotel. Perhaps not as much, but still plenty for us to be like "What the hell did she mean by that?" Black Dove In a message dated 7/10/02 1:22:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time, owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org writes: > atchy. > One thing I've noticed over the years is that Tori's not using metaphors as > much anymore.. I mean, compare the metaphorical content of BfP to ANYTHING > she's done recently!! > > What up wit dat?? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 19:38:40 +0200 From: "Kasia" Subject: BIG re:Fairytale >It just doesn't seem to fit her...if >that makes any sense at all. I am not saying that I >don't like it, but I >don't know if it's a song of hers that I will be able to >listen to on repeat >like I can do with most of them yes, the song is realy sweet, but it's just so unTori.... well, i don't know, when I first heard Strange Little Girl I was like "grrrr.... those guitars, it's not Tori-sh", but now I really love the song. The music is really pretty and catchy, but the music in the backgrounds sounds so ... i dunno- familiar in a way... like i heard background music before, somewhere on the radio. Well, I really like the song, but I hope that Scarlet's Walk will bring something better, you know some pearls - like Cloud On My Tongue... And don't get me wrong, ok? I really DO like this, I understand that Tori evolves and that's really great. Kasia ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 13:38:04 -0400 From: "Sonya Harway" Subject: summer cleaning Hello everybody- Well, those of you on tori-boot know I offered up some Tori-stuff lately, but I have loads more! I want to get rid of this stuff before I move into my new house, and I am looking to sell some of this stuff this time. I have suddenly become a minimalist, :) and I need a little extra cash to throw around my first semester at grad school. So, here's what I've got! - -LE video - -RAINN video live in NYC - -random video with a couple of VH1 segments I taped off TV (5-10 min. each) - -Spin- Nov. 1999 (Tori on cover) - -ftcgh tourbook - -All these Years biography (2nd edition)- the binding is a little worn out - -BFP songbook- mint condition - -Anthology songbook Cds: Professional Widow (It's Got to Be Big)-- import single Raspberry Swirl-- import single In the Springtime of His Voodoo-- domestic single Cruel-- domestic single Professional Widow-- domestic single In Conversation- interview CD Launch- 1998 Nov. 19 (Tori on the cover) Urbal Beats (contains a Rabbit in the Moon song that samples Precious Things) MTV- fight for your rights (tribute album containing Me and A Gun) I didn't put prices on anything because I'd like to price packages, not individual items. For instance, if someone just wanted the MTV sampler, I'd give it away, since it was free. But then there will be the whole postage thing. So anyway. Please email me NOT AT THIS EMAIL ADDRESS. Email me at sharway@gwu.edu . I get way too much junk mail at this address to go through. Please drop me a line soon, because it's first come first serve. Also, if you have an idea of how much you want to pay for anything, let me know-- I am reasonable! love, sonya ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 12:11:50 -0400 From: Cyndi S Crawford Subject: Re: Sorta bad song >Try, just try and not respond with some ridiculous rant. Be a little objective, maybe you'll realize it's perfectly reasonable to dislike something regardless of who made it.< oh, believe me, I know that feeling. I've been flamed to a crisp before back in the day when I was nutty (I'm still a fan, just not insane anymore) about Michael Jackson. I'd say "eh I don't much like this or that song.. I usually skip it." and then the person I said that to would scream and yell at me and I'd never hear the end of it. :P I've learned that some people are just ridiculous. You're very right--it's perfectly okay to not like something by someone--even if that someone is your #1 all-time favorite artist EVER. :) (I still haven't heard the song just yet.. *shrug*) Sincerely, Cyndi S. Crawford (Keyyooo on ICQ and IRC, Keyyooo1 on AIM) http://learntothink0.tripod.com/learntothinkagain/ -- http://www.geocities.com/keyyooo/ -- http://www.platinumcomplication.com/cyndi/ *or* http://www.icenine.org/cyndi/ Tori Amos' response when asked to describe herself in five words: "I. Do. Not. Describe. Myself." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 14:50:28 -0400 From: "Becka" Subject: Re: BIG re:Fairytale kasia typed... The music is really pretty and catchy, but the music in the backgrounds sounds so ... i dunno- familiar... i agree.. was trying to tell jared yesterday while getting the mp3 to him, that it was reminding me a LOT of a few of the songs out on the radio right now.. and those few songs are michelle branch's all you wanted, and vanessa carlton's 1000 miles, and one other one that is escaping my memory right now.so as far as radio marketing and accessiblity to the masses... if the current trend of female music stays this way till august.. i think ASF will do quite well.. as far as is it TORI like.. well.. every song she has ever done, in some way, has grown on me.. i've listened to this song several times.. and while I like it.. it's not what i expect of tori.. and while i'm sure i'll enjoy the album regardless if it sounds all like ASF(i have a sweettooth for pop), i almost have a hidden feeling that this will be a very mixed layer album.. because i honestly don't think tori could have NOT wrote something terribly deep and wonderful during the time she did these songs...(post 9/11 by what all the newsbits say). So while this may be just the first taste, who knows.. maybe more mp3s will leak out like SLG did, and we'll have a few more to judge the album on.. till then, cross your wings and hope for the best.. there's always something for everyone in her work.. ~~cheers becka ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 15:17:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Abbe J Cohen Subject: metaphor Ok, this is reaching a bit, but it was driving me nuts that I couldn't make out part of the darn chorus of "a sorta fairytale" despite how much it's repeated (my god, a tori song with a repeated chorus, what is this world coming to? ;) ) The "I'm so sad... like a good book... I can't put this... (tea bag? what the hell??)" part. And I still can't completely make it out but I had an idea. towards the end, she leads into the chorus with a line I hear as: I don't--didn't--think we'd end up like this And I'm so sad, like a good book, I can't put this day back it's a sorta fairytale with you "day back" is not so completely obvious to hear, but it's completely possible given Tori's pronunciation, and oh, it fits with the meaning kind of nicely. but, in terms of the absence of metaphor, maybe what's missing is the *small* metaphors, but not the big ones. How about the whole song as a metaphor for the innocent not-knowing-what-was-coming happiness we were all having before September 11m and how no matter what we do we can't make it go back to the way it was? Kind of fits with what Tori said the album was going to be about, no? And if you want single-line metaphors, you can always puzzle over why a good book is sad, I can't explain that one so well, (but on the other hand I keep reading Margaret Atwood...so maybe I can.) Now I *really* want the album to be released. - --Abbe ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 17:10:45 EDT From: ToriPhileX@aol.com Subject: I think I solved the chorus mystery for Fairytale "And it's so sad Like a good book, I can't put this to bed A sorta fairytale with you." Reece ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 15:12:50 -0700 From: violet@torithoughts.org Subject: Re: Sorta bad song "Ryan -" wrote: >This is the highlight of the album? Man, I thought To Venus and Back, >and Strange Little Girls were bad. I doubt this is the highlight of the album. No record company on earth would release any song that we (meaning Toriphiles) would perceive as the "highlight" of the album, because Tori's best songs are far too complex to ever make it on the radio. Only the most pop-like songs will get chosen to be singles. Whenever I hear any new Tori single, I always know that it's the most simplistic song on the album and the best is yet to come. This is just a little taste -- an hors d'oeuvre, if you will. There's more on the rest of the menu. :) Violet xoxox ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 18:27:00 -0500 From: ckerley Subject: Re: I think I solved the chorus mystery for Fairytale i think it's "And I'm so set Like a good book, I can't put this tea back A sorta fairytale with you." all this reminds me so much of the story tori told about mark asking her to marry him - the whole thing about having tea and her dropping her cup when he said something about wanting to know her when she's 80 - plus the sugar story about the guy not knowing how many sugars she takes in her tea - mark knows - she doesn't want to put that tea away. and the line "i had to steal it" reminds me SO much of a stevie nicks song - i can't place it exactly and it's not really the lyrics, but how she sings them. okay - that's my two cents on this one catherine ToriPhileX@aol.com wrote: >"And it's so sad >Like a good book, >I can't put this to bed >A sorta fairytale with you." > >Reece ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 16:43:52 -0700 From: "Tony Fernandes" Subject: A Sorta Fairytale...live I don't know if anyone's thought of this yet, and I like the song the way it is, but it would sound AWESOME live...with a band...yeah...Precious Things style!!! Tony What's more likely? That an all-powerful mysterious god created the universe and then decided not to give any proof of his existence? Or, that he simply doesn't exist at all? And that we created him so that we wouldn't have to feel so small and alone. -Eleanor Arroway, Contact ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 08:04:15 +0800 From: "Ali E." Subject: Re: A sorta Fairy Tale... I feel like a dumbass, but where did you find the song? I followed the signature on the forum, which took me to franklet.com. Can someone tell me how to find this song. Thanks, Ali - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey Clark" Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 03:44:53 -0400 To: Subject: Re: A sorta Fairy Tale... > > I find this song absolutely incredible, and above all my expectations > (which admittedly weren't very high, as I'm one of the fans that despises > SLG). If this is any indication of how the rest of the album's going to > be... I cannot wait. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 20:12:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Handal Subject: Re: I think I solved the chorus mystery for Fairytale Catherine said: > i think it's > > "And I'm so set > Like a good book, > I can't put this tea back > A sorta fairytale with you." > > all this reminds me so much of the story tori told about mark asking her > to marry him - the whole thing about having tea and her dropping her cup > when he said something about wanting to know her when she's 80 - plus > the sugar story about the guy not knowing how many sugars she takes in > her tea - mark knows - she doesn't want to put that tea away. I thought Reece was correct and now I think Catherine here makes a good point. The hell of it is that even when they deign to produce printed lyrics we *still* won't be able to trust them because of the history of bizarre typos. I do think it's "take your word," though, not "wood." I also think there may be the word "it" after the word "feel" in the final chorus. And now, I want to take this opportunity to go on the record officially as saying: GOD, I MISS STEVE CATON'S GUITAR PLAYING! Be seeing you, Richard Handal, H.G. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 19:55:13 -0400 From: mysterilady2001@cs.com Subject: "A Sorta Fairytale" mp3 ~ (-: Awwwww... I like it very much :-) It's a little love song. Sweet. She sounds peaceful. Happy. Even more so than before I am anticipating the new album. I'm like a kid waiting for Christmas. :::switch gears::: OK, I had this timely observation. Upon the release of every album the discussion happens about how *unlike* Tori the new music is. Frankly, I've never joined that particular bandwagon. I'm 38 now, same age as T, and I look back in the years & see how I have changed along with my life. I've grown, I've mellowed. T has too. It's evident in every new album. What was an deep emotional issue years ago is past now - dealt with & over. Perspective changes as seen with experienced eyes. I don't need Tori or her music to *be* anything of my design, of my perception. I don't look for anything. Each album is a fresh canvas. It's like sitting down to dinner at a friends home. If you come to the table with no expectations other than having a wonderful time then you are fully open to all that is laid before you. Free to just sit back & enjoy. So just get over how SW isn't like BFP, UTP or whatever, K? :::smile::: Ready to ride alongside Toodles ~ MysT *** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 17:59:18 -0700 From: "Tony Fernandes" Subject: Fw: "A Sorta Fairytale" mp3 ~ One of the reasons I am so critical of Tori's new albums is because her first 3 affected me so deeply that I'm hoping to get more of that feeling. I mean, I still can't listen to BFP without crying. I guess this happens when anything is loved to a degree similar to how I feel about Tori's music. For example, I really like Sarah McLachlan. But, if her next album fell short of my expectations I would not be terribly put out like I would if Tori's next album fell short. Hope that made sense. What's more likely? That an all-powerful mysterious god created the universe and then decided not to give any proof of his existence? Or, that he simply doesn't exist at all? And that we created him so that we wouldn't have to feel so small and alone. -Eleanor Arroway, Contact ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 21:27:14 EDT From: VioletLilith@aol.com Subject: not a rant <> i haven't actually listened to the song yet, and i don't know if i will before the cd comes out, but, from reading the lyrics sent by a fellow member of the list, i think i might be forced to agree with the human who sent this response. the lyrics do seem really weak and pop-E, and, well, gimp-E. but, who knows? with the music mixed in i might think totally differently? afterall, "1,000 oceans" isn't the most "tori" song ever, but it is still refreshing and emotional.....it makes me feel. she puts passion in performing it. hopefully "sorta fairytale" will be the same. hopefully it will create that same heart-throbbing atmosphere, despite the semi-generic lyrics. *jennifer* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 21:33:46 -0400 From: "Lisa Zwick" Subject: Re: "A Sorta Fairytale" mp3 ~ I agree. I, for one, love her mellow songs more than anything else. Cooling, Jackie's Strength, 1000 Oceans (and now this one), etc are the ones that really seep in. I don't like the awkward sound of Boys for Pele. I've tried a few times, but I can't get used to it. I became a fan pretty late into the game, and I like more of her newer stuff than the older stuff. She can't please everyone always. Maybe a song that's a bit catchier will attract different kinds of fans. Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, but let's not judge her new cd all on one poorly sounding mp3, which we can't even figure out the lyrics to! (for instance, i keep hearing "smooth sail" for "so sad") - -Lisa ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V7 #151 *************************************